Talk:List of National League pennant winners

Merge info

Merged NL pennant winners 1876-1900 and NL pennant winners 1901-68. Vidor (talk) 18:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Merged in all results information from National League Championship Series per discussion for MLB awards featured topic. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 00:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Removal of playoff appearances from lead

Removing the playoff appearances from the lead is absolutely wrong. WP:LEAD says that the lead is "summary of [the] most important aspects" of the article. Since they are part of the article, to exclude them from the lead means that the article is not summarized properly. This is featured content and has passed rigorous review. I would request that the remover undo his edits, as they are preference-based and not policy-based. — KV5 • Talk • 15:40, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Playoff appearances were not removed from the lead. They are included, but not made the primary focus. The focus of the article is "National League pennant winners" and I've updated both the table and the lead to reflect the title. Change is hard, but it's the only way Wikipedia is improved. ;) Ben Lunsford (talk) 15:50, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Your wording of the first sentence of the lead's third paragraph is incredibly poor. I refer to "The current National League champion San Francisco Giants, and their rival the Los Angeles Dodgers, have won the most National League pennants, with 21 each. The Dodgers have appeared in the playoffs 27 times to the Giants' 24". "The current National League champion San Francisco Giants" is over-modified. I'm guessing that the Giants were moved to the beginning for... what reason? No idea. The Dodgers have appeared in the playoffs more times should still be listed first. There is no need at all to refer to a rivalry in the lead. You also removed references to the previous cities, which is necessary because the links in the list show the other locations of the teams. The second sentence, "The Dodgers have appeared in the playoffs 27 times to the Giants' 24" is horribly informal; it's not encyclopedic tone. — KV5 • Talk • 15:56, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

As an aside, this article is paired with the List of American League pennant winners, another article in this featured topic, so if you change one, be prepared to change the other, and probably find resistance there as well. — KV5 • Talk • 15:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

You read my mind on the former locations, I didn't mean to disinclude that. As far as the Giants "being listed first", it certainly doesn't seem unusual to lead into the sentence mentioning the current National League champions if they happen to have tied for most National League pennants, does it? The previous wording was much more biased than the current version as it called the Dodgers "the most successful team" when the Giants have won more games and have been invited to more World Series. I also think referring to the rivalry between the two clubs tied for the most pennants makes the article more interesting to someone unfamiliar with that circumstance. I'm not sure why you'd have issue with mentioning a rivalry between the two top teams.

As for the American League article, you're right, that table should also be changed to reflect pennant winners first rather than playoff appearances. I will get to that soon. Ben Lunsford (talk) 16:13, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I've edited the sentence in question to remove mention of "current champions" and the rivalry between the two top teams. I'm not sure which way it is better, but I'm certainly fine with the Dodgers "listed first" this way. Ben Lunsford (talk) 16:24, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Looks fine in the current form. — KV5 • Talk • 16:26, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

It seems that the writers of this page cannot seem to make up their mind as to whether this list counts the number of league pennants (National League or otherwise) won by teams currently in the National League, or whether this list counts the number of National League pennants won by each NL team, past and present. The first sentence of the third paragraph is not the whole truth: the Giants and Dodgers are tied for most NL pennants won, with 21, though the Dodgers' one American Association pennant from 1888 gives them 22 total. The Cardinals have won 22 league pennants as well, but four were, like the Dodgers' situation, AA pennants. Bchaosf (talk) 22:32, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Update

--75.0.34.170 (talk) 22:36, 8 November 2011 (UTC)It has that the Giants and Dodgers are tied with the most pennants, followed by the Cardinals, but I believe with the 18th pennant won, the Cardinals are now tied with the Giants and Dodgers. Also, it has that the current world champions are the Giants, but I believe the 2011 world series is the most recent, with the Cardinals winning. Please update.

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Pennants Won by Franchises

Is the section "Pennants Won by Franchise" a list of all league pennants won by those franchises, or a list of only National League pennants won by those franchises? If the latter, the counts for the Los Angeles Dodgers and the St. Louis Cardinals are wrong: one of the Dodgers' 22 pennants is an American Association pennant, while four of the Cardinals' 22 pennants are American Association pennants. --Bchaosf (talk) 22:26, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

The totals are drawn from the Baseball-Reference team encyclopedia pages, which don't differentiate between league. If there was a "List of American Association pennant winners" and so forth, this would be an easy question with a clear answer. Since those pages don't exist, though, it's harder. It depends on your interpretation of the title: is it a "List of National League pennant winners" (meaning a list of teams in the National League who have won pennants, in which case the current format is correct), or a "List of National League pennant winners" (meaning a list of teams who have won the National League pennant). Being that this list was created as part of the MLB awards featured topic looking for those who have won the Giles Trophy when capturing the National League pennant proper, it's probable that only National League pennants should be listed here. However, a caveat should be added to those totals as a hidden comment or above the table as a hatnote because overzealous editors will likely see inconsistency with Baseball-Reference and either revert or change the edits back. — KV5 • Talk • 20:16, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Footnote c seems to indicate that the Cardinals' total includes pennants from the Browns, who were a competing team in the same city, but not the same team. I think it's just the footnote that's wrong, not the total, but it would nice if someone else wanted to check and fix this. 69.38.252.85 (talk) 13:37, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

The Cardinals were originally called the Browns, so the footnote is correct. Spanneraol (talk) 14:20, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

"Pennants Won by Franchise" currently does NOT match Baseball-reference.com The St. Louis total is at 23, including all leagues, 19 excluding the AA pennants. The Dodgers should stand at 22 including all leagues, or 21 excluding AA (1889). Either the Dodgers are over by 1, or the Cardinals are short by 3. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/LAD/ http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by SJBenoist (talk • contribs) 17:46, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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Modifying the LCS table

I think we should merge the WW and LW columns with a single "Games" column, and also consider removing the column showing the MLB season. We also have to consider making the same changes with the AL pennant winners table. –Piranha249 18:35, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

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Table Suffers From Color Chaos

The tables presented here have a basic flaw. It stems from the attempt to group consecutive pennants in a single cell and assigning a “Won World Series” blue color to that cell. The results are misleading and confusing for assigning the color. Examples: The NY Giants get the color highlight for winning two of four World Series over 1921-24. Cincinnati won 1 of 2, over 1939-40, no color. Yet, many teams get the color for splitting the series in two consecutive years, e.g., ‘30-31, ‘55-56, ‘57-58, ‘65-66, ‘67-68. The Cardinals get blue for winning 1 of 3 over ‘42-44.

It appears that the table was okay in this regard until 1 January 2024, when an unnamed user enacted a merge (automated?) that made up some rules for coloration of merged cells. A rollback would be in order.

I made similar notes in the talk page for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_League_pennant_winners

WHPratt (talk) 19:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I fixed that problem with the American League article. Did the same with this one, except now the colors aren't showing up at all for some reason. It looked fine earlier today, but I tried going in again to edit the table of playoff appearances and the background colors were gone (even though they're still in the source code). I don't know what happened, but would like an investigation. Acelm (talk) 03:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

In fact, I checked and the red background isn't there on the AL table either. There is still red in the key, but not on the cells with World Series winners. Acelm (talk) 03:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Nice work. I was afraid to mess with it on my own. I'd say that boldface (or italic), or even asterisks (or other symbol) would be sufficient if one wants to flag World Series winners.WHPratt (talk) 14:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Never mind, the colors are back!

I actually noticed your problem when I wanted to get information on team seasons. To use your example, since the Giants only have one cell allocated for four consecutive pennants, there are no links to the 1922-24 teams! That seemed wrong to me as well, hence the edit. Was more time-consuming than I thought, but felt worth it. Acelm (talk) 01:08, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

One more thing I would fix, though: I saw that the 1969-present table doesn't include the managers of NLCS participants. I would like to see them added for consistency (they're in the AL article), but I'm too lazy to look them up. Acelm (talk) 01:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Clearly, merging those cells vertically was a bad idea! By the way, the National League's blue background color now doesn't show in Dark Mode (no big deal, I'd say). WHPratt (talk) 14:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

No, I was wrong, the NL color is there ... just dark and not easy to see. WHPratt (talk) 11:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)