Talk:List of Nintendo products/Archive 1

Archive 1

Wii/ Title

Surely a 'List of video games published by Nintendo' should not include upcoming games, particularily ones for upcoming systems.

Atelier Double (Japan only)

think this is a game dev and not an actual computer game itself

Agreed, so far as I can tell, this is the case. I have removed the given entry from the SNES list. Bg samm (talk) 09:47, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Confusing

Half of the list is based with year of release and with text besides the titles like Japan/European Only. The other half have a clogged list with only a (J) syntax. AFAIK there are atleast 5-6 regions Nintendo releases their consoles in. Then you have a (D) syntax that is on a few few games though there are more of them that should have it. Why not take it away if someone don't want to go through all the games? We have mobygames for that info. Stan64 12:47, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

O rly?

According to this article, the list of Nintendo-published Wii games is already 2/3 as big as for the Gamecube. This seems . . . remarkable, to say the least.

Unsorted/Other section

I'm removing some stuff from the Unsorted/Other section:

• Mario's FUNdamentals - Licensed, not published
• Mario Teaches Typing - Licensed, not published
• Hotel Mario - Licensed, not published
• Link: The Faces Of Evil - Licensed, not published
• Super Mario's Wacky Worlds (Unreleased) - Unreleased, (so how can it be published at all?) Had it been released, it probably would have been published by Philips Media, not Nintendo.
• Starforce - I believe the name of the game is "Star Force". Developed by Hudson, Published by Tecmo. --ScarletSpiderDavE 04:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Link: Faces of Evil has been, unfortunately, published.

Yes, but not by Nintendo, so it doesn't fit in this list. --ScarletSpiderDavE 05:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Rayman Raving Rabbids

Rayman Raving Rabbids is missing from the list of Wii titles. I don't know when was it released. Please add it.

Published by Ubi Soft - not Nintendo. Fryguy64 (talk) 12:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

List of video games developed by divisions of Nintendo?

Is there a list for this at all? Being published by a company really means nothing--I'm interested in what Nintendo (first-party, though second-party would also be fine) has actually made. --pie4all88 07:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a lot more difficult to find out than that. NES and arcade games rarely credited any outside help (for example, we already know HAL Laboratory and Intelligent Systems worked on a bunch of NES games usually credited to Nintendo), and even these days companies such as Tose develop titles but refuse to be credited. And then you have the confusion over which internal studio worked on which games without the aid of staff credits. It's a monster task. Fryguy64 (talk) 12:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Not all Classic NES series games are published by Nintendo...

As you may notice, this list contains every classic NES game for GBA released. While I was searching my local video game retailer the other day I noticed the cartridge for Pac-Man said in small print "Liscensed by Nintendo". Therefore it wasn't a game published by Nintendo. I'm sure other titles in the series (Bomberman, Castlevania, Mappy) weren't published by Nintendo either, but I'm not sure I can put my finger on all of them. Can somebody help me with this? - 82.42.162.112 16:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I have gone through and removed all games from both NES Classic series and Famicom Mini that were not published by Nintendo. Several were Hudson and Namco games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.165.196.84 (talk) 22:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

despite some "classic nes series" not being developed by nintendo, they were all published by them. indeed, there barcode begin with 045496 which is the nintendo publication code in north america and europe. Djdisjcnw (talk) 23:49, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Romanian version is cooler!

The Romanian version is cooler!!! Check it out... It's been done by me: Razorsharpnose

A note...

There are no games listed in this article that are marked (D).--YgoFan90 14:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Future Updates

A recently published Nintendo game (Super Smash Bros. Brawl), contains a list of all video games published by them. Considering the game itself is published by Nintendo, I would think this would be a very reliable source. Also, dates of the games release are posted. I do not access to the list right now, but it could lead to... future updates. --70.19.146.29 (talk) 22:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

How are these games organized?

I've been trying to figure out how the games in this list are organized. Some of the games seem to be listed by the earliest release date (regardless of region), while other games are listed by their North American release date (even if the game was released in another region in another year. Also, there seems to be no organization within each year as to whether it is alphabetical or by release date (or just random). -Zomic13 (talk) 01:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, all games should be listed by the earliest release date. For example, Super Mario Bros. 3 was originally released in 1988 rather than 1990. The list shouldn't focus on North America. --Grandy02 (talk) 13:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I noticed that games are not only listed by the release (commonly by the North American order, which shouldn't be), but sometimes they are also sorted alphabetically. In short, it's a mess. --Grandy02 (talk) 18:43, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I found "Metal Gear" on the list.

I doubt that it was made by Nintendo, or published by them. Are you sure?

Well, it got removed from the list now. Metal Gear was created and published by Konami, not Nintendo. Nintendo only collaborated in the Gamecube Metal Gear title to insert a few Mario cameos, nothing else. Djdisjcnw (talk) 17:10, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

@Djdisjcnw Please consider not replying to old talk messages that are 5-12+ years old -- ferret (talk) 17:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Super Nintendo: Mega Collection

Any source for this title? Rhonin the wizard (talk) 19:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Metroid Prime 4

Hey everyone, I deleted Metroid Prime 4 from the list because it does not exist, and almost certainly never will.

There was no citation, and the link didn't go anywhere. Nintendo execs have also confirmed that metroid prime was a trilogy, and that the next Metroid game would not be called Metroid Prime 4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.56.71.132 (talk) 04:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Bubsy in Claws Encounters of Furred Kind

I was wondering, why there is no first Bubsy game listed on that page, because that game was published or at least licensed to Nintendo in European Market. Kurvjuh (talk) 15:54, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Articles at Wikipedia are only improved through the contributions of editors. The reason there is no first Bubsy game listed is that no editor has added it yet. Please see WP:BOLD. -Thibbs (talk) 18:13, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Bubsy is now included in the list, after 13 years... lol! Djdisjcnw (talk) 16:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

The years should be the first year in which the titles are available.

That is, for example, Super Mario Bros. 3 should say 1988, not 1989. And where in God's name is "Super Mario Bros 2." (the 'USA' version)... and for that matter, Doki Doki Panic? Also, Mario Kart Arcade GP was published in 2003? I think not. 2005, more like.--The Ultimate Koopa (talk) 20:10, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

• While no users added to this, I very much agree. The games should be listed in the year, they were first published by Nintendo. So for most titles that were published by Nintendo worldwide, that would be the Japanese release. For games that are published by Nintendo only in specific regions, for example Mario + Rabbids, that would be later than the date the game first released somewhere else, in which case it was a Ubisoft-published game. —DanielFreed (talk) 21:14 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Move and overhaul

List of video games published by Nintendo → List of Nintendo games — Prime Blue (talk) 15:21, 22 August 2010 (UTC) This is a complete mess. The title is "List of video games published by Nintendo", yet there is a section for toys and cards. And as has been noted above, a list of games published by Nintendo is useless, as this is not what people will look for with, say, the search term "Nintendo games" – just because a game is published by Nintendo does not make it a Nintendo game.

Games developed by Nintendo are easy to verify with the games itself (copyright notices in the game, etc.), everything else like assisting companies (e.g. Intelligent System) and development studio names (e.g. the R&D Departments) needs references. Same for uncredited developers like Tose: As long as they are not credited in the game and there is no reference, the game was developed by Nintendo – there is the possibility that Tose co-developed every single video game ever released, but as long as their participation is not verifiable, it bears no relevance.

I suggest a move to "List of video games developed by Nintendo" "List of Nintendo games" (to allow for outsourced Nintendo IP games) and removing the aforementioned section. Then we can start to bring some order into this. The old "List of Nintendo games" can be moved to "List of Nintendo games (disambiguation)" to serve as a directory for the individual platform lists. Prime Blue (talk) 15:21, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

• I understand your concerns; however, it seems to me that "Nintendo games" usually refers not to games published or developed by Nintendo but to any game that is played on a Nintendo system (like "PC games" or "XBox games"). Powers ^T 20:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
  • "List of games by Nintendo", perhaps? Would encompass all games they developed themselves, as well as those by outside developers based on their IPs. Prime Blue (talk) 01:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

This is unrelated to the suggestion of a move, but I agree that the page should be overhauled. For one thing the article is half small print and half large print. This inconsistent style looks terrible and makes the article seem quite amateurish. Secondly, I've noticed a good number of instances where the credits listed here do not match the credits that come with the game itself or with any supporting documentation. I added a few "Citation needed" tags a few months ago but I think each entry should probably be sourced in order to provide the Verifiability leg that all articles require. -Thibbs (talk) 01:30, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Work

This article is a big mess! I will try to improve it, and any work is appreciated.Horai 551 12:39, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Believe me, Horai, this article's improved a LOT since you made this comment. It still has room for improvement, though, so feel free to help! 184.13.58.160 (talk) 07:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

DLC

Should we list New Luigi U as a game? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.26.76.14 (talk) 15:40, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Apparently, since it's been added and it's stayed. 184.13.58.160 (talk) 07:17, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

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Sry

Look Daniel, I’m sorry. I don’t want to start a fight with you. We might have biased opinions based on media or maybe because of past games on this list. I don’t want you to hate me, because I already get hate for being 13. But I’m not like the others, I’m different. If you want to erase my edits, go do it. I just want to say that I feel bad about my actions. NintendoMario456 (talk) 20:23, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

This isn't anything about personal feelings between you and me. I don't even know you, nor should you get any hate for your age. Everyone was young at one point. But this list is about Nintendo products, and the article literally states that it includes all Nintendo-published titles. Therefore Mario + Rabbids is included, despite it being published by Ubisoft outside of Japan. And for the same reason we have games such as Bravely Default, which is also developed by Square Enix and published by Square Enix in Japan - just like project Octopath Traveler, on this list: these titles are published by Nintendo in one or more regions. —DanielFreed (talk) 20:56, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Nintendo-published titles

• User 71.251.2.212 keeps on removing project Octopath Traveler from this list, despite the game being published by Nintendo and as sourced on this page. The article states "This is a list of products published by Nintendo." As such, the list goes on to list all products published by Nintendo, even if just regionally, including titles such as Lego City Undercover, Bravely Default, and Dragon Quest for Nintendo 3DS. To have a conclusive list of all Nintendo-published products, project Octopath Traveler belongs onto this list. So does Skyrim, if it is indeed published by Nintendo. —DanielFreed (talk) 20:31, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

  @DanielFreed: Do you have a reliable source to support that Octopath Traveler is published by Nintendo? It would help if the source is in English; although sources aren't required to be in English, it will make the verification quicker. —C.Fred (talk) 20:35, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

• It's on the respective Wikipedia page, if it wasn't removed again: https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/project-octopath-traveler-switch#game-details It is also listed on here as such: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Octopath_Traveler —DanielFreed (talk) 20:37, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

  Obviously the source I looked at before wasn't for OT. I see it now: "Publisher: Nintendo; Developer: Square Enix".[1] —C.Fred (talk) 20:38, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

  So I fail to see why this is even debatable. If this is supposed to be a list of games published by Nintendo, then the game needs to be on there.—DanielFreed (talk) 20:47, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

  I've asked NintendoMario456 to comment on why they feel it should be excluded. —C.Fred (talk) 20:52, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

  In the absence of a reply, I'm going ahead and restoring the title to the list. —C.Fred (talk) 21:51, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

  He removed it again. —DanielFreed (talk) 22:31, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Is this the chat? NintendoMario456 (talk) 23:14, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello? NintendoMario456 (talk) 23:15, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I’m here NintendoMario456 (talk) 23:19, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Should I start? NintendoMario456 (talk) 23:21, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Daniel or Fred? NintendoMario456 (talk) 23:21, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Helloo? NintendoMario456 (talk) 23:28, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Is anyone else here?

NintendoMario456 (talk) 23:39, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

This is not social media. If you have asked a relevant question another editor may reply at some time. I have some questions that I asked 7 years ago which are still awaiting a response. Please be patient.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   08:52, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh sorry velella, should I state my point now? NintendoMario456 (talk) 12:29, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Guys major news someone deleted all of the video games off the page!!! NintendoMario456 (talk) 00:31, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

I know, Mario. Somebody restored them. 184.13.58.160 (talk) 20:19, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Project Octopath shouldn’t be here

I just decided to make a discussion so that we could have that debate. NintendoMario456 (talk) 12:26, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Please proceed and make your arguments here. However, you may want to read the whole of this talk page first to make sure that point hasn't already been addressed. Thank you  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   13:11, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Ok, so, my first point is that on Wikipedia itself, in the list of Nintendo Switch games, Project Octopath Traveler’s publisher and developer is Square Enix. NintendoMario456 (talk) 13:36, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

My second point is that when Project Octopath Traveler was first revealed on the Nintendo Switch Presentation, it was stated that it had to do with only Square Enix. NintendoMario456 (talk) 14:31, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

@NintendoMario456: It appears that Nintendo has changed that information. As I quoted above from Nintendo's page with game details: "Publisher: Nintendo; Developer: Square Enix".[2] Do you have a current source that clearly states that Square Enix will be publishing the game outside of Japan? —C.Fred (talk) 20:17, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

On VentureBeat.com, search up Project Octopath Traveler. The last article there states that this game is only being handled by Square Enix and Silicon Studios. NintendoMario456 (talk) 00:52, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

@NintendoMario456: Here's the thing: is omission of Nintendo evidence that they aren't publishing it? Can you show that in all similar articles about games Nintendo is publishing, that they are mentioned as the publisher? —C.Fred (talk) 01:35, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

I couldn’t find anything except for the Nintendo website page. NintendoMario456 (talk) 13:37, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

@NintendoMario456: And how is Octopath listed there compared to other games? —C.Fred (talk) 16:40, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

What do you mean by other games? NintendoMario456 (talk) 18:12, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Other games where there's clear consensus that Nintendo is the publisher. —C.Fred (talk) 01:46, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

In comparison to these other games, like Super Mario Odyssey and Mario + Rabbids kingdom battle, project Octopath Traveler has nothing to do with Nintendo, unlike these games. NintendoMario456 (talk) 18:46, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

@NintendoMario456: Yet Nintendo saw fit to do a web page about the game. I'm not following your logic. —C.Fred (talk) 19:48, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Can you see any Nintendo characters and none of these articles I have shown or even seen state that Nintendo has published this game except for the Nintendo page. NintendoMario456 (talk) 00:46, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

@NintendoMario456: None of which articles? Please provide a link so I can see clearly which page you're referring to. —C.Fred (talk) 02:00, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

The articles that have been talking about project Octopath Traveler exactly a month ago. Just search the game and you’ll find a bunch of them. NintendoMario456 (talk) 10:57, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

@NintendoMario456: And the first hit says, point blank, "Publisher: Nintendo".[3] I don't immediately see another source that makes such a clear-cut statement that I'd be willing to rely on more. —C.Fred (talk) 14:06, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Was it nintendo website NintendoMario456 (talk) 02:54, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

You can also visit the eShop on the Nintendo Switch itself. Nintendo is also listed as publisher on there. DanielFreed (talk) 20:23, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

This is probably by a business perspective to get our money off of a good rpg not touched by them. NintendoMario456 (talk) 18:45, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

@NintendoMario456: Stop removing Nintendo-published titles from the list of Nintendo-published products. Since Nintendo itself says that Skyrim and Octopath Traveler are published by them, you were asked to show credible evidence that this is not the case. You have not shown any, and instead deleted the games from the page again.DanielFreed (talk) 21:57, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Instead of arguing back and forth, the New Nintendo Switch update just added pre-purchases on games. As we all know, only first-party games get this, so, we can wait out until these games get this feature or not. Does everyone agree? NintendoMario456 (talk) 01:21, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Games available for pre-purchase aren't necessarily Nintendo-published nor are necessarily all Nintendo-published titles available for pre-loading. With Nintendo telling people on their website, the eShop, and their press website that they are the publisher, there's little room left to disagree that they aren't. DanielFreed (talk) 07:44, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

European Releases

As work continues on getting this page in better shape, I have discovered that sources rarely agree on what games were published by Nintendo in Europe. At present, I am referring to the back of box art (from GameFAQs) and looking for a Nintendo copyright in the fine print, but I am not sure if this necessarily equates to them publishing said game. Also, several games do not contain a Nintendo copyright but instead a note like "licensed from [company] to Nintendo," and I am not sure whether this corresponds to a Nintendo-published game (the European release of Mega Man X is an example). Does anyone understand better than I what would be good evidence of a Nintendo-published game when sources disagree? Bg samm (talk) 09:24, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

"Licensed to Nintendo" effectively corresponds to a Nintendo-published game. You can also refer to the barcode of the game (it should look like this: 045496 [rest of the barcode]). Djdisjcnw (talk) 16:37, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

When Nintendo puts it's copyright in a third party game, it does not mean that Nintendo owns the game. They put their copyright for their own trademarks on the boxart. For example, Mega Man X is a game for the Snes not made by Nintendo (despite them publishing it in Europe), so they put the Snes logo on the boxart. The Snes is a trademark of Nintendo, this is why they put their copyright in the boxart. Djdisjcnw (talk) 16:45, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

Do we feel comfortable regarding sites like MobyGames, GameFAQs, or NinDB reliable sources? Or, does anyone know of good official sources when compiling lists of Nintendo-published games? Bg samm (talk) 09:27, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

@Bg samm:Primary sources such as Nintendo's own website or fiscal reports would always be preferable, but aren't quite available for older systems. For 2006 till now their fiscal reports show all Nintendo-published products (with a few exceptions between 2006 and 2009). For earlier years, cross-checking those pages and trying to find images of the boxes to confirm it would probably be the most reasonable choice. —Daniel Freed (talk) 22:12, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Licensed Games

Nintendo has licensed its IPs to other companies for games several times before, despite not publishing said games themselves. Such games include Mario is Missing!, Mario's Time Machine, Mario's Early Years, etc. Do we feel these games should be included on this page? Bg samm (talk) 09:29, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Simple answer: NO! All the games in this must have been published by Nintendo, not third-parties, unless if a third-party game was published by and licensed to Nintendo. Those 3 games you have mentioned have been published by The Software Toolworks, not Nintendo, despite using the Mario IP which belongs to Nintendo. Djdisjcnw (talk) 16:56, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Sub-Systems

Several systems have had peripherals or novel distribution methods through which games were specifically released (such as the FDS, the Vs. Arcade, the Satellaview, WiiWare, etc.). Often times (though certainly not always), the releases for these systems include direct ports from/to the base system, or are released in Japan for the sub-system but internationally for the base system. Do we feel these sub-systems deserve their own dedicated lists? Currently, I have just been adding the novel sub-system releases to the base system list with an extra footnote, and then adding a subsection that just redirect to the sub-system's main page (see FDS for example). At times I feel this simplifies things and removes redundancy, at other times I feel it does the opposite. How we handle these sub-systems? Bg samm (talk) 09:41, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Novelty Games

Nintendo has released numerous competition cartridges and various novelty games that had highly limited releases. Such games include the Nintendo World Championships 1990 cartridge, or the Kaettekita Mario Bros. released through the Famicom Disk Writer. Should such games be listed on this page? Should they have their own dedicated section, or just be mixed in with the standard lists? Bg samm (talk) 09:46, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

It's a bit late, but those games are now included in the list. Djdisjcnw (talk) 16:57, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Two drafts for a potential split

Inspired by the current AfD, I decided to create two drafts in my userspace to replace the current list. These are:

• User:Maplestrip/List of Nintendo products
• User:Maplestrip/List of video games published by Nintendo

I personally believe splitting this list as such would be good. I'd like to get some opinions on these first, however. Moreover, the "products" list is still a draft and needs to be filled up a bit more first (mostly by adding release dates and peripherals). ~Mable (chat) 14:43, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

• I'm not sure why the people supporting to keep the list couldn't understand that the primary problem with it was its scope. I'm fine with this, assuming references get added. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
• I very much support this split, even though the main issues the current list has would be moved to 'List of video games published by Nintendo'. We still need to transform all lists to a proper format for that.DanielFreed (talk) 23:50, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

@Maplestrip, Dissident93, and DanielFreed: I have closed the AfD discussion as Keep. Please go ahead with your proposed improvements when you come to an agreement. Regards Exemplo347 (talk) 07:50, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

I've sadly been unable to motivate myself to continue working on these two lists. If anyone else is interested in splitting these two lists, I would be happy to lend some support. Sorry I've only done this little. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:11, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Question about the NES versions of Mario is Missing! and Mario's Time Machine

Did Nintendo publish the NES versions of Mario is Missing! and Mario's Time Machine or was it Mindscape? I'm asking because some sources say Nintendo and some sources say Mindscape. 137.25.153.185 (talk) 17:53, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Mindscape published them, as simple as that. On the boxart of each game, it's marked "Licensed by Nintendo, which means Nintendo didn't published them. Djdisjcnw (talk) 00:00, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Extra info: The Software Toolworks published both of these games in North America and Mindscape published them in Europe. Djdisjcnw (talk) 17:00, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Wild Gunman (Arcade game) and EVR-Baseball release dates

Did Nintendo publish Wild Gunman and EVR-Baseball in North America or not? I'm asking because they don't say unreleased nor do they say what year they got released in North America. 137.25.153.185 (talk) 15:53, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello 137.25.153.185! Thanks for your question. Article talk pages are normally used for discussions about writing Wikipedia articles. If you have questions about the topics, it's best to ask at the reference desk where volunteers can help you research your question. For your questions here, our article on Wild Gunman indicates that it was first published as an arcade game by Nintendo in 1974, with the NES version released in 1984 in Japan and the next year in the USA, Canada, and Europe. As for EVR-Baseball, I'm afraid I don't know which game that is as we don't seem to have an article by that title. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:01, 12 September 2018 (UTC)