Talk:List of Nobel laureates in Chemistry/Archive 1

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List of Nobel laureates in Chemistry

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I'm going to try and fix the image issues tomorrow. I don't have the time to hunt down sources, so I'm just going to remove any outdated ones. Just so I'm clear, I should remove any that match the first three examples you gave on the FLC page, right? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, yes. Though I see someone restored them. Lots of them should actually be OK, but it's the paperwork that is missing. I'll try and comment there again if I get time. One possible option, instead of pictures for every one that has one, is a selection of photos of selected laureates, as seen at List of Wranglers of the University of Cambridge. Carcharoth (talk) 19:41, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try and get some more opinions then. Do you oppose the article becoming a FL? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I left a question here. As for my support, if you can address (to some extent) what I said in points 2 and 9, that would be good. But this discussion should really be over there. Carcharoth (talk) 19:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

In reganrds to #2, I realize it's a tad repetive, but it's just the page titles and generally we should use the exact title. For #9, I can remove all of the unmentioned terms and just link specific mentioned words and concepts. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:58, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. #2 is not really a major thing. #9 though, I do want to see what can be done about that, if anything. I have a few ideas myself, but will wait and see what you do first. Carcharoth (talk) 20:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

You can go ahead and try whatever you like. I'm actually not sure what to do yet. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Here are a few ideas:

• (1) A column next to the citation column called "glossary" or "See article" or "further reading". Whether this is within editorial discretion or not, I don't know. But I prefer it to seeing some of the terms linked and others not.
• (2) I'd also like to see the year of discoveries mentioned, but that could, again, be controversial.

Some examples of this:

• • 1904
  • Sir William Ramsay
  • "for his discovery of the inert gaseous elements in air, and his determination of their place in the periodic system"
    • See: noble gases; periodic table
    • Details: Ramsay isolates four of the noble gases between 1894 and 1898: argon (1894), helium (1895), and neon, krypton and xenon (1898). The German term Edelgas (noble gas) is first used in 1898. In 1902, Dmitri Mendeleev includes argon and helium as group 0 in his arrangement of the elements, which would later become the periodic table. Ramsay isolates the final noble gas, radon in 1910, six years after being awarded the Nobel Prize.
  • 1905
    • Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Adolf von Baeyer
    • "in recognition of his services in the advancement of organic chemistry and the chemical industry, through his work on organic dyes and hydroaromatic compounds"
    • See: organic chemistry, chemical industry, dye; aromatic compound; indigo dye; phenolphthalein, fluorescein
    • Details: (would give dates here of the syntheses, though this can get complicated)
  • 1906
    • Henri Moissan
    • "in recognition of the great services rendered by him in his investigation and isolation of the element fluorine, and for the adoption in the service of science of the electric furnace called after him"
    • See: fluorine; electric arc furnace Unfortunately, our article doesn't mention his development of a early type of electric arc furnace in 1892 - see, for example, this source.
    • Details: (again, the details section would expand beyond just a glossary-like list of articles, and would include dates and things like that, plus the publication details - eg. this)

And so on...

I realise the "details" section may be a step too far (and would start to overlap quite a lot with other articles), but I'd like to see someone attempt that. In my view, annotated lists should try to go beyond what the main source tells us, while still obviously supporting things at every stage with sources. I'd like at the least to see a "see also" or "further reading" column, with a list of articles related directly to the citation. This would allow the direct quotes to be delinked, but would still allow people to read up on things further, either by reading the article on the person, or reading about the history of the discoveries by another route (the chemistry articles). Maybe this is something for a separate article, or for the main Chemistry Nobel article, but at the least I'd like to see the linking reduced, or massively improved. At the moment, the linking from the citations column is a mix of good links and rather weak, irrelevant linking. Again, I could have a go at listing some relevant articles related to each citation, but wouldn't be comfortable linking them from the quote - it would have to be as an aside in a new column. Carcharoth (talk) 10:48, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I am actually really against that because this is just meant to be a list that has a brief summary of why they are given the award. Anyone who wants more detail can see that person's individual page. As well, I prefer just a quote because listing a bunch of reasons leaves it open for other users to add whatever they like. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 14:15, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

That's a good point, that people can add what they like to a "further reading" column and end up arguing over it. The same applies, though, to the links. If someone disagrees with the way a quote has been linked, they could come in and change that, and arguments would start again. On the other hand, if you leave things unlinked, people will come in and try linking them anyway. Hmm. Difficult one. What I'll do is double-check all the quotes, do one more sweep through the award citations to improve the linking, and then summarise my view at the FLC. I'm probably going to support, but I'll wait and see what things look like after I've done all that. Carcharoth (talk) 19:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

PS. I found someone at Commons to help with the images. See commons:User talk:Nard the Bard#Image check request. Not sure if he will come here or we go there. Do you have a Commons account activated? Carcharoth (talk) 20:03, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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Linking in quotes

Likely to be a perennial question at this and similar articles, so I'm linking here to the latest state (as of time of writing) of a discussion at WT:MOSLINK (the manual of style guidance on links): here. The current discussion is here, though that link will need updating when it gets archived. Carcharoth (talk) 01:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

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Sort by country

I would like to make the table sortable so i can sort the list by country to see which countries have the most. This will require that the "not awarded" years have the fields intact. Does anyone have objections? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:43, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2017

164.127.149.188 (talk) 13:46, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

There is an error for 2017 nobel Prize in chemistry . Should be: for developing cryo-electron microscopy for the high-resolution structure determination of biomolecules in solution

Already done Nihlus 14:15, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2017

For the 1996 prize, make the word fullerenes link to the article on Fullerenes. 82.69.45.180 (talk) 18:22, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Done Minor edit only. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:44, 29 October 2017 (UTC)