Talk:List of One Piece episodes (US TV broadcast edition)

If this guide is for the English version

...shouldn't we use the English names like Zolo? Matty-chan 11:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Some major clean-up is needed

Okay, right now this page is an utter mess. We need to reach some agreements on this page, because otherwise we'll have an edit war on our hands.

The heart of the problem lies with the content related to the upcoming Funimation dub. It seems some people are getting impatient and are jumping the gun with putting Funimation-related information on here. First of all, where is the source of those Funi episode titles? They seem to just be reworded from the translations on the regular episode listing page. If someone doesn't turn up a source for them soon, I'm taking them off, because encyclopedic content must be verifiable. Secondly, this is the page for the dubbed anime, so the episode numbers for the Funi dub should start at 105, not the original 144. They are producing the 105th episode of the English dub, thus it should be listed as episode 105, not 144. Thirdly, while it's been somewhat confirmed that Funimation is using (translated) versions of the original openings and endings, it's still speculation that Hikari E and Free Will will be used from 105-onward, so that should be left off the page for the time being. This page is only for CONFIRMED information. NO SPECULATION.

Finally, we need to reach an agreement on season divisions, since I've seen it go back and forth a bit there. We know that the first season of the Funi dub will be considered the third season, as confirmed on the American Toei Animation website. That means 4Kids produced the first two. To my knowledge, dub Season 1 is episodes 1-52 while Season 2 is 53-104. That's what it was aired as in the UK and Australia, to my knowledge. However, during its run on 4Kids TV it was left off at episode 58, meaning Season 1 may be 1-58 while Season 2 maybe 59-104. Also, there is the argument that Season 2 begins at episode 30, I think due to the new opening. We need to come to a solid agreement on this. I vote for 1-52 as Season 1 and 53-104 as Season 2, but since there is no real solid confirmed division we'll just have to vote on what to go with.

In addition, just as a side-note, I'll be changing the DVD release table since cover images aren't allowed. I'll take care of that myself, it's no problem. Mumbo230 3:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Uh... What happened to the episode listing?

Did someone purposly remove it or...? Mendinso 12:07, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

why all this: To be added following the airing of this episode. seems like someone removed the actual description and put these in. isn't this against policy, removing information and putting in basically a spoiler message? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.24.159.251 (talk) 03:39, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

The episodes descriptions are still being erased and someone is putting: To be added following the airing of this episode. in their place. This is not standard wiki policy. if the episode descriptions are known, they should be endered. what someone is doing is removing what they think is a "SPOILER" which isn't. most TV series have descriptions of their episodes weeks before they are broadcast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.231.130.2 (talk) 16:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

In all lists of episodes for ongoing television series that I've seen on Wikipedia, it's pretty universal that any plot details posted for episodes before they've been aired get reverted. This isn't because they are spoilers - the entire list is one big spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen the series. As for it being against Wikipedia policy, I haven't seen any such policy yet, though you're more than welcome to post a link to it should it actually exist. Until then, I will continue to revert any edits that add plot details for unaired episodes. --Dinoguy1000 17:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Uh, i have to agree, that these arn't spoilers, they are episode plot descriptions. basically not any different than the episode previews they put at the end of the previous episode. i would say though, that Dinoguy1000 is deleteing them as if they are spoilers. Wikipedia:Spoiler —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.24.159.251 (talk) 23:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

No. Please understand, I have nothing against spoilers (and indeed frequently read, and enjoy, spoiler material on Wikipedia). I am deleting them because they are plot summaries of unaired episodes. As such, WP:SPOILER has no bearing on this issue. As to your first statement, episode plot summaries are, by their very nature, spoilers. --Dinoguy1000 20:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

good example is the list of Blood+ episodes: List of Blood+ episodes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.231.130.2 (talk) 17:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Not really, since List of Blood+ episodes covers both the Japanese and the English versions of the episodes, as opposed to seperate Japanese and English lists for One Piece. And besides that, if you've been watching the Blood+ episode list's history, you would note that the episode summaries are being significantly expanded following the English premiere of the episodes (though this really doesn't have much to do with the issue here). --Dinoguy1000 20:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

No, the only reason there a 2 separate episode sections one for english and one for japanese, is because of all the modifications and episode changes, and separate companies doing the english version. NOT to not have the information. Again, to my understanding, its Wiki Policy, if there is known information of a episode, it should be included. These are basic Episode descriptions, and i can find them on websites like tv.com before the episode airs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.24.159.251 (talk) 01:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I never provided a reason that there were two different lists of episodes for One Piece. And yes, the reason behind it is because of the huge amount of modifications, as you've stated. --Dinoguy1000 17:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

another example of episodes described before episode airs: List of Chuck episodes, showing 113 & 114 before they air. If you think that having episode descriptions 2 weeks in advance, show your own examples, since i have shown multiple examples. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.24.159.251 (talk) 01:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Have a look at List of Naruto: Shippūden episodes‎. Numerous people have tried to add unaired episode summaries at numerous times, and they get reverted - despite the fact that websites such as TV.com feature these summaries weeks in advance, and that a preview of the next episode is provided at each episode's end. You have still not showed me any Wikipedia policy which supports listing summaries for unaired episodes, or consensus that listing them is OK or even encouraged, so until you can produce such a thing, I will still continue to revert them. --Dinoguy1000 17:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

i would not compair Naruto Shippuden since its not even released in the US... but i would say there are more shows that show plots for upcoming episodes than not. If you don't want the plots listed, then don' thave ANY plots listed, including ones already shown, since many series's episode listings don't have plot outlines, just names of the episode. its like saying you want some, but not all the information available for a series, which doesn't make sence in a encyclopedia-type environment. Censoring is against Wiki Policy: WP:NOT#PLOT

*sigh* Any series which lack plot details for episodes lack them because no one has taken the time to write them. And I fail to see how you can make the jump from not showing unaired episode plots to not showing any episode plots. What is unencyclopedic is showing information that is not verifiable, as unaired episode plot summaries are (until they are aired). I am making no attempt to censor anything, and you are misinterpreting Wikipedia policy. If this list were supposed to cover the plots of both the Japanese and English versions of One Piece, then it would be perfectly acceptable to have plot summaries for the episodes that haven't had an English release yet. However, since there are seperate lists, and this one is for the English version, there is no reason to have unaired episode plot details just because the Japanese versions have been aired or the summaries are present on the Japanese list - if someone wants that information before the episode airs, they can look at the Japanese list. --Dinoguy1000 19:22, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, i give up, Dinoguy isn't the only one doing it... I still say it isn't good adding episodes just to block the description, but since i seem to be the only one to disagree with it, i will ignore it.

Third Opinion - I think that this entire argument falls under the jurisdiction of WP:V. If editors are able to find reliable references that specifically state what the plot will be about, I don't see any reason (i.e., could not find any Wiki policy) why they should be prohibited from adding this information, provided that they properly cite their references. That is the bottom line, in my opinion. It doesn't matter if it spoils a plot for some unsuspecting soul; I couldn't care less. It's entirely about the verifiability. Currently, I don't see any references being cited, so the material should be removed. That being said, much of this article is completely unreferenced, but I'll let that go for now... Tanthalas39 (talk) 22:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Valid References have been added. TV.COM has the plot descriptions for most episodes, and is a known valid reputable webiste. Interesting that the Japanese list has no valid references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.231.130.2 (talk) 14:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

TV.com is generally not a valid, reliable source by itself, since its content, like Wikipedia's, is user-submitted. --Dinoguy1000 17:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

if TV.com is invalid, then there is the japanese list. if thats not valid, where did all the othe plot descriptions come from? if they don't have a valid source, which i don't see listed, than if you remove some of the plots, we will have to remove ALL plot descriptions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.231.130.2 (talk) 20:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

(rm indentation) My understanding is that the episodes themselves are a valid reference (if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me). In any case, all the other lists of episodes I've seen on Wikipedia, when sufficiently fleshed out, refer to at least one official, "fixed" source for episode details before referencing either ANN or TV.com. Regardless, I'm backing off of this one for awhile, I'm tired of fighting. If you really insist on posting these summaries, I really don't care anymore, but I'm not gonna be responsible if/when a third party comes swooping through and axes them. --Dinoguy1000 16:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Season headers vs. arc headers

Is there any reason that the season headers are the same depth as (or in several cases, one level deeper than) the arc headers? This seems rather counterintuitive to me... --Dinoguy1000 17:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Since no one else has commented on this, I'm going to update them myself. --Dinoguy1000 19:45, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

the air dates are wrong

I saw season 3 part 2 2006 before these on TV. Well I live in australia but it it says english airdate not US--Me676 (talk) 06:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Article needs to be retitled.

'US edition' doesn't really fit, does it? Because FUNimation will be releasing unedited boxsets then should not the list becalled 'List of One Piece episodes (TV Broadcast version edition)' or something close to that? Because as it stands now these titles will only have an effect on the TV broadcasting of these episodes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.150.171.7 (talk) 21:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that should be merged with the Japanese episodes. most other series have both the US and the other releases showing on the same list, for example List of Bleach episodes and just shows a section for the US and Japan airdate. there can also be a mark for major changes, ect. It doesn't make sence to have 2 separate episode lists for the same series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.231.130.2 (talk) 16:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, since 4Kids omitted and spliced so many episodes that's what this is for. We could, however, merge FUNimation's uncut release with the Japanese list. Matty-chan (talk) 17:15, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Future episode titles

Can someone please tell me where you guys are getting the future episodes from? Seriously, a lot of the time you've been right, and even going beyond CN's TV schedule! But still, Wikipedia is NOT for original research and the information MUST be cited. Matty-chan (talk) 15:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)