Talk:List of Persian-language poets and authors

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You might want to make it clear in the lead paragraph that you are listing authors in the Persian language (Farsi) and you do not mean Persian in the sense of Iranian. m.e. 01:23, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I dont think its necessary to mention things such as "Jewish convert to Islam". Thats an unnecessary detail, people can just click on the names to find out more.Azerbaijani 19:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

This page is a list, what are you talking about Weiszman? Why are do you want to expand the article with a summary of each person on the list?! That is what Wikilinking is for.Azerbaijani 22:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

@ m.e: Persian does not mean Iranian! There are many Iranians who are not Persian. This article is simply about Persian poets and authors...as in the language.Azerbaijani 22:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Why is it a bad idea as you suggest?! What's wrong with giving a reader more info on the spot? This is a long list, and people need more info to distinguish between the writers and see until smth catches their eye. Obviously, if a Jew is reading this page, he or she would be interested in clicking on the Rashid ad-Din's page. The page is also called incorrectly, "Persian poets —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weiszman (talk • contribs) 22:12, 8 April 2007

Eh? so we have to highlight pieces of information in case different ethnicities are checking certain pages? I don't think so. Plus, "Persian write" is better English than Persian language writer. Changing that is not a good idea --Rayis 22:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

according to whom? do you have the necessary academic and professional credentials to make such determinations? We should stick to facts, not insinuations and personal views of some editors. We need to name the page correctly, and then provide more information on each of the authors on that very page so that everyone would have some more information before they have to click on so many names. Years of birth and death, ethnic origin, religious affiliation, etc., are all important. Weiszman 22:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

This is a list. All of those authors in their own entry have many relevant matters described and this is a list. The most important thing about any author is their work actually and this list does not even take that into account. It is a list and many other such lists exist without detail information. Detail information belongs to its own main article. --alidoostzadeh 23:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia prides itself on providing unlimited information, being unrestrained like other print publications. Therefore making artificial requirements about featuring solely a name is not in line with Wikipedia objectives. Note this page [[List_of_poets] is more descriptive and gives some basic information about people listed there. Its certainly better than having just the name, which considering different ways of spelling is not helpful. Also, it's interesting that aside from a page with Iranian poets there is also a parallel page [[List_of_Persian_language_poets] It can be merged with this article, or non-Persian writers could be removed from this page. Weiszman 23:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually at the time of most of these authors the concept of nation-state was not present. So your comparison is really invalid. As per the spelling of the name it can correspond to scholarly conventions (Encyclopedia of Islam/Iranica). --alidoostzadeh 23:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Exactly the point, thus calling them "Persian" or Iranian is not accurate, "Persian-language" is more academic. Also identifying Rashid ad-Din as a Jew that he was and others based on their respective ethnic origins is a normal procedure for any compilative. The more information we can give in one short line, the better, just like the DYK in Wikipedia, same concept. Weiszman 23:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Rashid ad-din was a Persian Jew. And that is why exactly this list is not about ethnicity and of course had you read the list of various authors including Iqbal Lahori you would have figuered it out!

Please don't be hostile. I never said it was about ethnicity. Instead, you guys just came in and started to remove references on unclear grounds. This is a collective authors' work, and this page needs improvement. You, I or anyone else can add short one-liner on Iqbal Lahori and any other Persian or not author. The more information we provide to wikipedia readers the better. Weiszman 23:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

This article as stated is not about ethnicity. Or else Iqbal Lahori an Indian of Brahmin origin whose ancestors converted to Islam would not be listed. Also the ethnic background of some authors are disputed. Others could have Persian/Jew.. etc. The list by the way is minor and I can easily add 1000 authors from the classical era. So it is a list and on each author more information is provided. Wikipedia readers have more detailed information about mother, father, birth, work, where the author lived and many other information in the main article of each author. The criterion on what to include in a list is not necessarily defined and users might want different things and then eventually it won't be a list but a main article. The already consensus by various users has been to name the author and then date and thats it. Some authors we do not even know where they were born. Others we don't know their ethnicity or it is disputed. Others we don't know what religion they had in the end of their life. All this information belongs to their own main article. --alidoostzadeh 00:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

One or two words about someone's ethnicity won't turn this page into a Main article. Before my edits were made the page had such entries as "Táhirih Qorrat Al-'Ayn, Bahá'í poet, philosopher and theologian" and on "Khosravi Dehlavi (from India)", to which neither of you were opposed. This is an encyclopedia and very brief, few basic words about each poet and writer is very helpful for the readers. Also this page should be merged with [[List_of_Persian_language_poets] or otherwise modified to better reflect the reality. Weiszman 01:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually this is not a list of ethnicity. Also many countries did not exist by name at the time of these poets. --alidoostzadeh 02:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Weiszman, this is a list. Please refer to other lists such as List of Chinese people and List of North American Muslims. None of them delve into ethnicity or religious background. These are lists.Azerbaijani 02:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Exactly, no list has suffered from the inclusion of basic information, few words, for each entry. It makes little sense for ressisstance to that. Also note the previously provided example of a list [[List_of_poets] The current list is mistitled -- it should be called "list of Persian-language poets and authors". Weiszman 06:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Again this is a list not biography. The list will grow much longer and can possibly encompass thousands of authors one day. Persian poet and writer denotes Persian language/culture/heritage (not ethnicity) here and it is clear from the context. It does not denote ethnicity. It is pretty clear from the geographical regions described and the introduction. And furthermore a good amount of scholars have used this terminology for virtually all the names mentioned. Since by contributing to Persian culture and literature and enriching Persian heritage, these authors by writing cultural materials have taken part in the wider Persian cultural experience and have absorbed Persian culture by writing Persian poetry. The term is non-ethnic and is used as a non-ethnic cultural term by many scholars irregardless of the author's ethnic background. So it is not-ethnic but it is not merely linguistic either. The context of this article (given the wide region and I will include Balkans) makes it clear. --alidoostzadeh 01:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

long list

[[1]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali doostzadeh (talk • contribs) 12:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I think we have to change the descriptions and include the ethnic identities as well. These Iranian hypocrites have been working hard to equate Iranian with Persian, so when you have all these authors labelled as Persians people will think they are Iranians. More than half of the names on the list are non-Iranian Persians from Afghanistan,Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and other places. --Yamaweiss 19:24, 23 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamaweiss (talk • contribs)

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List of Persian poets and authors

Hello,

Please show me only "ONE" poet or author in this list that is NOT Iranian. In that case, I will accept your reverted edition.

Thank you for your answer.

Best Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1241edit (talk • contribs) 18:36, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello. You are not the first Irredentist Point-Of-View warrior and you won't be the last. Please don't try to pull the wool over our eyes by framing a question like this. You have repeatedly deleted (here, here, [2] and here) the names of countries (other than Iran) from that article, thus giving us the impression that you don't think any of those poets/authors are from anywhere but Iran. Your clever question is designed to trip me up (***yawn***) but here is your answer. The names of the countries have to stay because the places that some of those poets/authors were born in are now in other countries or were never part of Iran/Persia. We are not going to follow your preferred option because of WP:NPOV which asks for articles to be neutral. I am not going to go through the whole list but here are a few examples:

• Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī, almost certainly born in Khwarezm, Uzbekistan
• Shahid Balkhi, born in Balkh, Afghanistan
• Rudaki, born in Panjakent, Tajikistan
• Muhammad al-Bukhari, born in Bukhara, Uzbekistan
• Unsuri, almost certainly born in Balkh, Afghanistan
• Rabi'a Balkhi, born in Balkh, Afghanistan
• Asjadi, born in either Merv, Turkmenistan or Herat, Afghanistan
• Kisai Marvazi, born in Merv, Turkmenistan
• Khwaja Abdullah Ansari, born in Herat, Afghanistan
• and one that I researched extensively for Wiki-purposes - Ali Hujwiri, born in Ghazni, Afghanistan and died in Lahore, Pakistan.

Please don't also give us the same tired old rhetoric of Iranian being Persian and Persian being Iranian. We have seen enough of these dances to grow weary of the tune. The incontrovertible fact is that some of these poets and authors were born in places that are now part of countries other than Iran. As a courtesy, I would recommend that you familiarise yourself with WP:3RR, which means you SHOULD NOT revert any article more than three times in 24 hours (with certain exceptions). I'm not going to make a fuss about it but you might not be so lucky next time, so exercise some caution please. I am going to restore the original version but if you insist on removing those countries names, I suggest you take it up on the article's talkpage before you make any more edits. Green Giant (talk) 19:47, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I have transferred the above from my talkpage to highlight the edits of User:1241edit, who seems intent on deleting the names of most of the countries from the lead without giving any valid reason. As I write this, I notice User:1241edit seems to have violated 3RR on a different article. Green Giant (talk) 19:55, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

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Merging request from List of Persian-language poets

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I requested merging the article List of Persian-language poets to this list; because of severe overlapping between most items listed in the two articles. Note: This article/list is more complete and sufficient. – Hamid Hassani (talk) 20:25, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

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