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Latest comment: 11 years ago by Galltywenallt in topic Romantic era/20th century transition composers (born 1860-1880)/Is this necessary?
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Latest comment: 19 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

Please be careful that a link goes where you think it does... lots of those in the Late Romantic Composers sections, even those that aren't redlinks, don't. Could be confusing for a reader, I'd think. Schissel : bowl listen 16:47, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

(Obviously meant going by former, in comment) Schissel : [[User_talk:Schissel|''bowl listen'']] 05:00, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Composers removed from page

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

These composers have been removed in an attempt to consolidate the list. There is a reference to the standard reportoire list; if you can find a similar list, please reference it before adding one of these composers back onto the list. Thank you. Dafoeberezin3494 16:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

What?

Latest comment: 17 years ago7 comments5 people in discussion

All the other period composer lists contain redlinks and not-so-terribly famous composers. I think the lists should be exhaustive of composers who are notable enough to be on Wikipedia. If you want to make a separate "standard repertoire" list, I think it should be done on another page. Mak (talk) 02:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

  • This was an uncompleted project by me in the summer. My sources were ridiculed by User:Musikfabrik and I basically stopped the project. I really wouldn't care if this page were completely re-done, although I don't see how your solution would be any different than a category. Then again, we could just merge this list into the category... Dafoeberezin3494 02:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, part of the point of lists is that they can contain redlinks. Which, to be honest, I am adding now, since I'm trying to get broader exposure for women in music, it's actually part of my work on the List of female composers. Which I was sort of goaded into by Musikfabrik, strangely. I think perhaps the list in its current incarnation should be moved to a more clear title, which reflects that it's reflecting the standard repertory, and have a fuller list under this title. Mak (talk) 02:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I removed the notice about the standard repertoire lists. Feel free to do anything you wish to this page, maybe you could put the composers listed above back on it? The only thing I would really like to see is that they are annotated (making them more useful than a category!) Dafoeberezin3494 03:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
The list in its actual form is a joke! Why are there so many obscure composers included? The removed composers on this talk site are much more famous, than the most of the "red" ones in the list itself. The removed should be re-integrated and the number of "reds" in the list should decrease. -- Wikipedian from Germany, 4 March 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.54.164.112 (talk) 13:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

This article is virtually useless, as it contains so much clutter. No matter how cruel it may seem there is no point in including every person who wrote music during the time-period; anymore than including every person who kept a diary during the 19th century in an article on 19th Century Authors. The comment above alleging the necessity of raising consciousness of female authors seems even more pointless since the works of the unknown ones will never be listened to. A good cut-off point would be that it might reasonably be supposed that a composer be known by name to anyone with a moderate non-musical education.

Is this supposed to be a list of all romantic composers or just relatively famous romantic composers? If this list is supposed to include all romantic composers, I would recommend re-integrating all the deleted composers. If this is just supposed to be the most famous romantic composers, I would advise deleting all the red women composers and re-integrating some of the more famous deleted romantic composers (such as Rubenstein and Suk). Who ever heard of Augusta Browne or Maria Lindsay? Either way, I think some of the deleted composers should be re-included in the main article. --24.125.2.22 18:39, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I came across this page while going through recent changes. I believe it would be close to impossible to have an absolutely complete list. It might be better to start with famous/important/notable whatever it could be called, and leave redlinks for later. All redlink names and names which seem to be notable but don't have WP articles can always be added later. At the very least, we could create stubs for them and with proper refs state a few lines about which compositions they are best remembered for.
Either way, as a continous work in progress and due to the sheer number of names involved, I believe it is impossible to make this an exhaustive list. We should limit it to notable individuals with existing WP articles. A work-in-progress list of other composers can be put on this talk page. A new articles are created, they could be linked in.
Best regards,xC | ☎ 18:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Time-period subdivisions problematic

Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I feel there is a problem with the way this list is subdivided with respect to time. Certainly there were early, middle and late (and even proto- and post-) romantic periods, but the sharp time-divisions in this list mean that a composer like Mussorgsky - whose music foreshadows many innovations of 20th century music - is placed in the middle period, which tends to suggest that his music was less harmonically/rhythmically experimental than it actually is. A similar argument could be made for César Franck, whose harmonic language is (as the article on him states) 'prototypically late Romantic', and even Bruckner, much of whose mature and most characteristic music was composed after the mid-1870s. Furthermore, there are composers whose musical output spans all three Romantic 'eras', such as Liszt. Perhaps this problem could be (partially?) solved by organizing the list around an approximate/fuzzy time-period division (early, middle - or perhaps 'mature' - and late) rather than on blunt birth dates. 90.205.92.54 (talk) 23:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Tom Nunez

Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Noted for his work on magical weapons for use against the Germans in world war 2. While working on his unmatched musical talent, he also invented the telephone, the wheel and fire.

For further information visit his website at www.cbeebiesfun.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucky Larry and Son (talk • contribs) 08:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Title changes

Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I think the title needs to be "List of romantic-era composers", because there is no such thing as a composer of eras.--AppleJordan (talk) 18:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Tom Nunez

Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Noted for his work on magical weapons for use against the Germans in world war 2. While working on his unmatched musical talent, he also invented the telephone, the wheel and fire.

For further information visit his website at www.cbeebiesfun.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucky Larry and Son (talk • contribs) 08:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Title changes

Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I think the title needs to be "List of romantic-era composers", because there is no such thing as a composer of eras.--AppleJordan (talk) 18:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Romantic era/20th century transition composers (born 1860-1880)/Is this necessary?

Latest comment: 11 years ago5 comments3 people in discussion

I have doubts about including this section in the list. What is the purpose? Is it to include every composer who ever had any connection with romanticism? Is it to confirm some kind of conservative school teacher's view that everything worthwhile in 20th century belongs in some way or other to the late Romantic, or that anything which is not actually atonal is influenced by romanticism? Or is this just an example of list-creep? --Kleinzach 23:23, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

With respect, my view is just the opposite. I was thinking the article needed a "born after 1880" section. Isn't the point of the article to document the participants in the romantic movement? Why should someone suddenly fail to qualify just beacause they were born on January 1, 1860 rather than December 31, 1859, and the same goes for 1880 and 1881. The first decades of the 20th century were dominated by romanticism. Were Riccardo Zandonai and Erich Wolfgang Korngold not composers of the romantic era? They wrote romantic music contemporaneous with the music of Puccini, who was born in 1858, and would thus be on the list by any standard! And if they don't belong on this list, what list would they then belong on? A list of "20th century composers" along with Nono and Boulez? The simple, if utterly unmeaningful solution would be to organize the lists strictly by date, eliminating all contraversy. But if the romantic era is to be chronicalled, I can't see any reason for arbitrarily excluding the end of it. Museslave (talk) 02:31, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Museslave: "The first decades of the 20th century were dominated by romanticism. " I couldn't disagree more. The early 20th century was a period of experimentation with music going in all kinds of directions. Maybe other people have opinions on this? --Kleinzach 13:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Any more thoughts about this section? Time to remove it? --Kleinzach 00:25, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Definitely worth keeping as it includes some key composers in the Romantic tradition. I wonder whether the title is misleading? I suggest "20th century Romantic composers" and removing those like Debussy whom I regard as anything but Romantic. Galltywenallt (talk) 22:03, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Sergei Rachmaninoff

Latest comment: 11 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Was Rachmaninoff (1873-1943) not one of the most important proponents of romanticism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.138.64.56 (talk) 06:04, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Not in my view. Wrong era. --Kleinzach 06:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
A more conventional view is that Rachmaninoff, with Medtner, represents the last flowering of Russian romanticism, continuing a tradition started by Glinka. Rach was largely dismissed by the critics during his lifetime, but has proved so enduringly popular that he has to be considered a key figure for this reason alone. He and (especially) Medtner were both against the "modernism" practised by their contemporaries. I would say they were proponents of traditional "classical" values pertaining to melody and harmony rather than proponents of romanticism, though. Galltywenallt (talk) 21:58, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Stravinski?

Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Nei1 (talk) 19:56, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

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