Talk:List of Seljuk hans and kervansarays in Turkey

Numbering

Today the hans in the list are numbered. I don't think this is a good idea. Because the table is sortable and the numbers may be confusing. On the other hand by further additions new hans may be added to the list and the numbers may be completely meaningless. I'll call the editor for the rationale. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC) The numbers are meaningless but I numbered them so everybody can see how many hans there are, instead of a long confusing list. Without numbers it is confusing and when adding new hans you can number them also. DragonTiger23 (talk) 18:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Lots of errors on this page

1. Şarapsa Han is on the Alanya-Antalya road (not the Antalya-Isparta road). 2. Evdir Han is spelt wrong (at the moment it says Edvir). 3. Sahipata Han is on the Afyon-Akşehir road (not in Ilgın, it's in Sultandağı). 4. Yeni Han - what's that? Possibly should be Ak Han? 5. Pazar Han is on the Tokat-Zile road (not the Antalya-Denizli road)

There are probably other errors. The whole page is very misleading and needs a good clean-up, since Turkey wants them on the UNESCO World Heritage List, already on the Tentative List - http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/1403/ GPS co-ordinates would be useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.236.126 (talk) 22:21, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

You're probably right . But it so happens that the list is sourced. (A serious source) The problem I understand stems from the fact that the roads are not the modern roads, but the roads used in the medieval age. Pazar and Yeni Han are common names and there may be more more than one such han. As for the World heritage sites please see List of World Heritage Sites in Turkey and List of World Heritage Sites in Turkey (Tentative list). Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 07:31, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for replying so quickly, Nedim Ardoğa. It is good to hear that your are on the case. I would be interested in knowing what your source is. I'm not an expert, but I have visited 21 of the hans on the list (and several more, possibly on the list but known by different names).

I suspect that Boz, Yeni and Karasungur are in fact all the same, which I know as Ak Han (unless there is another han at Denizli?).

I can't find any other reference to Okla Han on the internet, I think I might know it at Öresin Han.

And I suspect that Ruz Apa is more commonly known at Horozlu Han. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.236.126 (talk) 10:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

The source is " İsmet İlter: Türk Hanları, TC Karayolları Genel Müdürlüğü, Ankara, 1969" In other words the source is a government sponsored source. The author has visited the hans. There are plans and photos of the hans. I don't think he'd be so careless to confuse Tokat for Antalya. Anyway I'll check the source again. (By the way this list is about the Seljuks period and any han built later is not included in the list.) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Over the years I've been using the www.turkishhan.org website as a reference. I think I also need to get hold of Selçuklu Kervansarayları by Cengiz Bektaş for further reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.236.126 (talk) 14:02, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

GPS co-ordinates for most of the hans on the list

Here's a list of those hans with GPS co-ordinates. There is definitely a han at each set of co-ordinates, and I have put some small comments where I am not so sure. Also added Kargı Han. I hope this helps? (I see that I made some errors in my previous comments).

Alay 38.518964, 34.354610

Alara 36.692354, 31.723919

Altınapa (now submerged under the waters of the baraj) 37.888996, 32.303766

Argıt (possibly ruined, in the town of Argıthan, west of Ilgın)

Ağzıkara 38.445355, 34.140730

Boz/Karasungur/Yeni/Ak (?) 37.818177, 29.135426

Dibi Delik/Hoca Cihan (Konya) 37.881662, 32.431547

Dibli (destroyed?)

Dokuzun (north of Konya) 38.063694, 32.515386

Elikesik (Derbent) 38.032930, 32.122678

Ebul Kasım Ahmet ?

Evdir 36.988380, 30.579912

Ertokuş 37.992928, 30.971011

Eshabikeyf 38.248605, 36.855221

Ezinepazar 40.568606, 36.055829

Eğirdir 37.850812, 30.855698

Hekim 38.815167, 37.934218

Ilgın/Sahip Ata (destroyed?)

İncir 37.478533, 30.533440

İshaklı/Sahip Ata 38.532681, 31.228419

Kadın 38.240214, 32.210000

Kandemir (confused with Kuru Çeşme?) 37.873490, 32.076417

Karatay (Karadayı) 38.644098, 35.935242

Karatay ?

Kargı 37.004847, 31.380110

Kesikköprü 38.962756, 34.196986

Kuru Çeşme/Kizilören (confused with Kandemir?) 37.896850, 32.164501

Kırkgöz 37.111431, 30.585536

Kızılören (see Kuru Çeşme or Kandemir)

Muhliseddin (Zile – destroyed?)

Obruk 38.174293, 33.183312

Okla (Öresin? Or destroyed?)

Öresin 38.470903, 34.203071

Pazar/Mahperi Hatun 40.281603, 36.290841

Pınarbaşı ?

Ruz Apa/Horozlu? 37.929857, 32.527730

Sadettin (Zazadin) 38.003998, 32.677667

Seyfettin Ferruh ?

Sultan (Sultanhanı, Aksaray) 38.247909, 33.546481

Sultan (Kayseri) 38.972951, 35.895255

Susuz 37.378465, 30.540382

Taşhan (same as Hekim?)

Çardak 37.828531, 29.665826

Çay 38.592709, 31.023226

Çınçınlı Sultan ?

Şarapsa 36.588321, 31.870521 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.236.126 (talk) 13:40, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks I'll make use these coordinates. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 15:21, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Cheers, Nedim Ardoğ, I'm happy to help. I have some more of the northern ones marked on my Google Earth, I think. I will add them here. (Edit - actually I think the other hans I have listed are in ruins or from the Beylik period) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.236.126 (talk) 16:11, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

After your comment I checked each han.

1. Şarapsa Han: You're right. It on Alanya road.I changed it accordingly.
2. Evdir Han. In the text it is Edvir and in a separate list it is Evdir. I added the name Evdir in parathesis
3. Sahipata Han: No change in this one. Sahipata Han is in Ilgın (Well what you call Sahipata Han maybe Ishaklı Han and it is already in the list. )
4. Yen Han: It is indeed Akhan. I added the name Akhan in parenthesis.
5. Pazar Han: You're right. Actually there are two Pazar hans. One in Tokat and the other one between Antalya and Denizli. But the one I refer to ( the one commissioned by Mahperi) is in Tokat and I changed it accordingly.

Thanks for informing me. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:04, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

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