Talk:List of Sherlock episodes

Removed US Airdate

I removed the dates for "Original Air Dates", for Season 3.

The dates provided were for PBS, an american station. The show is british and the original air dates for the BBC have not yet been released, however it will be before the PBS dates.

All other dates on this page relate to the BBC dates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.88.134 (talk) 00:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Copyvio

Except for the substitution of Sherlock for Holmes and John for Watson, series 3 episode 1 is copypasted from the Radio Times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.219.15.106 (talk) 17:46, 29 December 2013 (UTC) also episode 2

Reader feedback: You could elaborate more on...

182.178.196.161 posted this comment on 3 January 2014 (view all feedback).

You could elaborate more on the story line for each episode and it would do the trick for many around the world.

Any thoughts?

These are short summaries that lead to an episode articles, via blue wikilinks, that elaborate on the substance of the episode and include spoilers.REVUpminster (talk) 22:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

You could make mention of the fact that a ruse used by Sherlock in the story "The Blue Carbuncle" shows up in "The Hounds of Baskerville." (Specifically, Holmes realizing that a person is a betting man, gets him to reveal information by pretending it's all part of a bet.)

an event he pre-determines and prepares for, by someone close to John who is being blackmailed by Magnussen.

no — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.12.108 (talk) 22:24, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

• What was all the preperations with Molly about on how to fall if shot and how not to go into shock if he did not know he was going to be shot. He already new the real Mary had died as a baby and Johns wife was a fake.REVUpminster (talk) 23:52, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Sherlock on PBS Masterpiece Mystery

In the US, PBS broadcast Series 2 in May of 2012 as episodes 501, 502, and 503 of Masterpiece Mystery.

Series 3 was episodes 614, 615, and 616 of Masterpiece Mystery in Jan-Feb of 2014. PBS broadcasts of BBC material often cut about 5 mins, to allow space at the end of the time slot for misc other content. That did not happen with Series 3, which were alloted a generous 2 hour slot so that the full 90-min original content could be present; the extra half hour was mostly filled with various Sherlock-related extras. -71.174.183.177 (talk) 22:20, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Special Numbering

The writers (and cast members) seem to be referring to the Victorian special as "Episode 10". Should this not be included in the article? (https://twitter.com/Markgatiss/status/625072367795105796). I see it's been removed. 109.151.166.132 (talk) 22:31, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Special Page

Will a page be created for "The Abominable Bride" soon? There seems to be more than enough information to create one that is adequate (i.e. broadcast dates, cinema screenings etc.). 81.140.183.145 (talk) 20:18, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Once it has aired yet. Articles should not be created for upcoming episodes. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:56, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Are you sure? Articles for movies are created months in advance (this special is essentially a movie). Episodes for big TV shows also have pages created for them in advance - the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Doctor Who. 81.140.183.145 (talk) 22:55, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Series 1 Ratings

The ratings for Series 1 have been changed from the original combined ratings from the BBC One and BBC HD figures to just the BBC One figures. Shouldn't the combined figures be used by adding the figures provided by BARB for both channels. Both channels showed the episodes at the same time. If this is classified as original research, then how come many other episode guides are doing it. Doctor Who Series 5's ratings are made up of BBC One and BBC HD figures from BARB as they were simulcast. Is adding them together to give a full viewership figure make it original research. Programs shown on ITV also regularly do this, see Downton Abbey, Broadchurch, Scott & Bailey, etc. They combine figures for individual channels (ITV1, ITV HD and ITV+1) from BARB to give the full figures. Therefore the ratings for Series 1 should be reverted to the figures for both BBC One and BBC HD. 211.27.80.53 (talk) 05:35, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but where are you pulling the BBC HD ratings from? They're not on BARB. Alex|The|Whovian^? 05:55, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

The BBC HD ratings are listed on a seperate channel to BBC One on BARB. However these figures should be combined as it is the same airing of the first series (at the same time) just in HD. Shows broadcast on ITV1 have their ratings made up of ITV1, ITV HD and ITV+1. Nowadays there is no BBC HD channel, but when the channel was around figures for BBC One and HD were added (see Doctor Who: Series 5 ratings figures).58.178.157.89 (talk) 08:18, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

US viewers

@AlexTheWhovian: I didn't include them originally, because, since it is a "reair" in a way, I didn't think it was relevant. But they might be. However, if we do want to pursue this, the order should maybe be UK airdate, UK viewers, US airdate, US viewers. What are your thoughts? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 06:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

I see you point; however, it may be a re-air of what was aired in the UK, but it was original content for the U.S. upon the dates listed. Organizing that way might be helpful, however I don't believe that {{Episode list}} supports it, unless we use more auxiliary columns. Alex|The|Whovian^? 06:52, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

How about the layout I just implemented? Less columns, less cramped, neutral header for the Viewers column. Alex|The|Whovian^? 11:12, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah I like that. I think that should be fine. I'm just going to move the ref from the heading, to next to the UK ratings. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Sorry I do not agree with any of this. This is English Wikipedia. Should Australian viewers, or New Zealand views be shown? This has all come about because an editor is insisting it is a British-American programme. Moffatt used his connection from Dr Who and BBC Wales to make this programme, They may have received some American money but no more than Dr Who or have the Americans claimed that.REVUpminster (talk) 07:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Australian and NZ viewers would not be included, no, as only British/American viewers are included given the British/American nature of the show. As for the said British/American nature of the show, read this article's history for reasoning behind the edits - primarily, it is a joint production between the BBC and PBS. Alex|The|Whovian^? 07:21, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

From what I can see PBS is a distributor not a producer. The Abominable Bride lists Masterpiece (PBS programme) as in co-operation not co-producer. The programme is credited as a Hartswood production for BBC Wales in co-operation with Masterpiece. REVUpminster (talk) 07:55, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Only one date format should be used, Not British and American.REVUpminster (talk) 17:07, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

REVUpminster, please see this link (a press release). From it (emphasis mine): Sherlock "is a Hartswood West for BBC/Cymru Wales co-production with MASTERPIECE. It was created by Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss, and inspired by the works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. The executive producers are Beryl Vertue, Mark Gatiss, Steven Moffat and Rebecca Eaton for MASTERPIECE." Clear as day there-no matter the extent of the involvement, PBS is a co-producer on Sherlock. As such, it makes it a British-American production (British first, since they are the main producing partners) and the "American" part should be accurately reflected (though preference, again to the British). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:08, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

If PBS was only a distributor or the airing network in the US, that would be stated as such, and this info would not be added. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:10, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

@REVUpminster: I disagree with your last post. Dates for British airings should be in the British format, while dates for American airings should be in the American format. Alex|The|Whovian^? 00:49, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

MOS:DATEUNIFY MOS:DATETIES MOS:DATERET Of course this article could become a precedent. REVUpminster (talk) 07:17, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Each of those support the usage for different styles: MOS:DATEUNIFY states "article body text", this is in an episode table; MOS:DATETIES confirms what I said about using the format used in the country in question, British dates for British airings and American dates for American airings; MOS:DATERET states "The date format [...] should continue to be used, unless there is reason to change it based on strong national ties to the topic [...]" which, again, there is. Alex|The|Whovian^?

Just to weigh in here, it is permissible to use different date formats in tables and the article body. While the article body may use the UK date format, tables may use, for example, ISO. Citations are similar, in that they can use a different date format to the article body. However, the one thing that is common is that date formats should be consistent. The article body should use the same format throughout, as should citations, even if the citation format is different to the body. MOS:DATERET says If an article has evolved using predominantly one format, the whole article should conform to it, unless there are reasons for changing it based on strong national ties to the topic. This article has existed since January 2011 and has fairly consistently used the UK date format for 5 years, so any additions, and this includes U.S. airdates (although why they're being included at all is another matter), should continue to be used. Note that MOS:DATERET says "the whole article should conform to it", not just select portions. MOS:DATETIES also applies to the whole article and it certainly doesn't support use of multiple date formats. It is meant to apply in situations such as United States, where the article is clearly strongly tied to the United States, so that article uses US formats. Similarly Australia uses Australian formats. In TV articles, NCIS, as a wholly American program, uses US formats, while Top Gear uses UK formats. These are clear examples. Then we come to MythBusters, which is an Australian program that uses a primarily Australian crew and Australian post-production facilities in Sydney, but is filmed in the US with a US cast for a US network. That article uses US formats (it was pick one or the other) regardless of the Australian link. When we have situations such as we had with "Plane Boarding", which aired in Australia in 2012, but didn't make it to the US until 2 years later, and was the last episode in which US viewers saw the Build Team, while Australian viewers had seen two years worth of Build Team episodes, we didn't use AU dates, we stuck with US dates because of the consistency required by the MOS. It makes absolutely no sense to have two different date formats in the table. --AussieLegend (✉) 19:01, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm fine making them all consistent and them being the UK format. I will do that now. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:31, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

It's also as clear as day that the BBC paid 8% of the budget of Band of Brothers, but nobody tries to claim that series as being "American-British." It seems similarly ridiculous to claim Sherlock as being "British-American" merely because WGBH chucked some (unspecified/unknown) amount of money into the pot. They also did the latter with Downton Abbey, but again there is no claim of that series being "British-American." Nick Cooper (talk) 15:44, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Irregardless of the amount of involvement, they still have are a production company on the show. We can't change that. That makes it a joint production between British and American companies. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:23, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

@Gothaparduskerialldrapolatkh: Please note the consensus and post your discussions here. Alex|The|Whovian^? 10:48, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Minisode

Should the "Many Happy Returns" mini-episode be included in the page? Since it's not officially part of any series and the fact it wasn't aired on television, meaning it's not really an "episode" which can be included on a "List of episodes" page? Just a thought. 109.151.163.216 (talk) 14:18, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Unlike Doctor Who, which has multiple minisodes and hence its own articles for them, Sherlock only has one and its introductory to Series 3. I believe it should remain listed here as such. Alex|The|Whovian^? 23:54, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

US Viewing Figures

Not sure if it's been discussed before, but is there really any need in displaying the US viewers for each episode? The information is missing 70% of the time anyway and it's unlikely viewing figures from 2-6 years ago will ever be released. It makes the columns look too "busy" and it seems very unnecessary. 109.151.166.209 (talk) 11:56, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

It is a series that is co-produced by an American series, giving every right to listing American viewers. I'm sure that the relevant missing information can be found. Alex|The|Whovian^?

Episode list and series pages

Just a general question. For other TV shows, the "list of episodes" page is literally just a list of episodes, whereas this page has a paragraph of information underneath every single episode title as well as a paragraph of information for each series. Every episode has it's own Wikipedia page, so is this needed? As well as the fact that the page would be significantly condensed to just the basics which is what a "list of episodes" should really be. Also, should individual pages be created for Series 1, Series 2 and Series 3? Sherlock seems to be lacking this in comparison to other shows. Just my opinion but just some food for thought. 86.177.92.174 (talk) 16:15, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Series 1 (2010)

No. overall	No. in series	Title	Directed by	Written by	Original UK airdate	Original U.S. airdate	Viewers (millions)
1	1	"A Study in Pink"	Paul McGuigan	Steven Moffat	25 July 2010 (2010-07-25)	24 October 2010	8.70 (UK) N/A (U.S.)
2	2	"The Blind Banker"	Euros Lyn	Stephen Thompson	1 August 2010 (2010-08-01)	31 October 2010	7.74 (UK) N/A (U.S.)
3	3	"The Great Game"	Paul McGuigan	Mark Gatiss	8 August 2010 (2010-08-08)	7 November 2010	8.66 (UK) N/A (U.S.)

Series 2 (2012)

No. overall	No. in series	Title	Directed by	Written by	Original UK airdate	Original U.S. airdate	Viewers (millions)
4	1	"A Scandal in Belgravia"	Paul McGuigan	Steven Moffat	1 January 2012 (2012-01-01)	6 May 2012	10.66 (UK) 3.2 (U.S.)
5	2	"The Hounds of Baskerville"	Paul McGuigan	Mark Gatiss	8 January 2012 (2012-01-08)	13 May 2012	10.27 (UK) N/A (U.S.)
6	3	"The Reichenbach Fall"	Toby Haynes	Stephen Thompson	15 January 2012 (2012-01-15)	20 May 2012	9.78 (UK) N/A (U.S.)

Minisode (2013)

No. overall	No. in series	Title	Directed by	Written by	Original UK airdate	Original U.S. airdate	Viewers (millions)
–	–	"Many Happy Returns"	N/A	Mark Gatiss and Steven Moffat	24 December 2013 (2013-12-24)	N/A	N/A

Series 3 (2014)

No. overall	No. in series	Title	Directed by	Written by	Original UK airdate	Original U.S. airdate	Viewers (millions)
7	1	"The Empty Hearse"	Jeremy Lovering	Mark Gatiss	1 January 2014 (2014-01-01)	19 January 2014	12.72 (UK) 4.0 (U.S.)
8	2	"The Sign of Three"	Colm McCarthy	Stephen Thompson, Steven Moffat & Mark Gatiss	5 January 2014 (2014-01-05)	26 January 2014	11.38 (UK) 2.9 (U.S.)
9	3	"His Last Vow"	Nick Hurran	Steven Moffat	12 January 2014 (2014-01-12)	2 February 2014	11.38 (UK) N/A (U.S.)

Special (2016)

No. overall	Title	Directed by	Written by	Original air date	Viewers (millions)
10	"The Abominable Bride"	Douglas Mackinnon	Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss	1 January 2016 (2016-01-01)	11.64 (UK) N/A (U.S.)

Like this? 86.177.92.174 (talk) 15:03, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

No, not like that, as {{Episode list/sublist}} automatically hides the short summary. The series has had only a small number of episodes, so individual series pages may not be necessary. Take a read at MOS:TV for more information. Alex|The|Whovian^? 11:54, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Third series , first episode

Why has this episode no number. Both the column for the series - and perhaps more importaint the tally column lackes numbers. It would be nice to understand the reason for this. Are there 10 or 11 episodes made ~(as of August 2016) ? PS Jeremy Brett is in my opinion the one who has interpreted the character of Sherlock Holmes the best. No "over play" but still classic. This series is well done, but not quite Sherlock Holmes. It's like the producers just have borrowed the name. They could just as well called the series "Bob" , "Bill", "Ian" or whatever name DS Boeing720 (talk) 22:12, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

It's a mini-episode. It wasn't broadcast. Which mean it isn't numbered, but it was Sherlock material that was released. Also, please realize that this is not a forum to discuss your thoughts on the series. Alex|The|Whovian^? 22:33, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Episode 3x03

Just a heads up, the constant unsourced additions of the title "The Final Problem" for 3x03 seems to have come from this Tweet, and by extension, this PDF. Not sure if the PDF is at all reliable. Alex|The|Whovian^? 13:59, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

The PDF is acceptable until another source, that does not cite the PDF, comes out. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:11, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Sorry; that PDF is someone's so-called CV. We don't have the first clue whether it's reliable, or even accurate, much less when it was posted. It doesn't come close to rising to the level of reliability we need. --Drmargi (talk) 21:47, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2017

Please remove the sentence "Mary is then shot to death as she jumps into the way of a bullet meant for Sherlock." from the episode summary under Series 4, Episode 1. This is a blatant spoiler of the crux of this episode, not a summary point that should be listed in a general description of the episode. Wordnerd988 (talk) 03:25, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

 Not done We do not filter spoilers per WP:SPOILER. Please familiarize yourself with this guideline. Thank you. Alex|The|Whovian^? 03:27, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Many Happy Returns

Should "Many Happy Returns (Sherlock)" be redirected to this article? It contains entirely of an infobox and a plot section, which is nowhere enough for a separate article. The minisode was released over three years ago - if it was going to be expanded, it would have been by now. Alex|The|Whovian^? 10:22, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Yup. Was going to do it myself a bit ago, but held back. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:26, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

US Viewers Usage

The UK viewing figures are based on 7 day data, as is the norm for UK TV shows. However, the US viewing figures are just overnight ratings. I assume they've been inputted for comparison purposes, but it's hardly a fair comparison and they shouldn't be listed right next to each other as they technically display different things. As well as this, more than half of the US figures are missing anyway. Would it not just be easier to have the UK figures on their own? Or even add an extra column that specifies that the US figures are overnights only? 109.149.225.250 (talk) 13:54, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

The United Kingdom and United States both have different methods on how they calculate their viewer figures; we can't exactly help that. The United Kingdom doesn't give much attention to overnight figures, and the United States doesn't give much attention to 7 day figures. Just because half of the US figures are missing, that doesn't mean we should eliminate the ones that do exist. That is absurd. And adding another column would cramp the tables up; there's enough columns as it currently needs. Alex|The|Whovian^? 14:11, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

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Ratings Graph

Should one of those ratings graphs be added to this page? I'd have thought there'd be one by now. TheMysteriousEditor (talk) 20:31, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

I would disagree. There's only 13 episodes; we wouldn't add a rating graph to a 13 episode U.S. season or series. -- Alex^TW 23:49, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

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"suicidal assignment overseas" (after killing Magnussen)

I can just remember that Mycroft sends Sherlock abroad. As a penalty instead of prison, and any mission ? Suicidal mission even ? I doubt that is correct. Boeing720 (talk) 21:53, 27 October 2019 (UTC)