Talk:List of Soviet computer systems

MISS (Multipurpose Interactive timeSharing System), Unix-like

MISS had nothing common with UNIX. It was a completely different design, from scratch. It even had no prevalent command-line interface, the UI has been completely menu-driven and interactive. The first language implemented in it was not C, but Fortran. It had no Russian name - only English 'Multipurpose Interactive timeSharing System' The entry is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.111.92.66 (talk) 14:03, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Seperate page

Should there be a seperate page for Russian computer systems? ie ZX Spectrum clones such as the Hobbit (computer) or Pentagon (computer)? these are post-soviet, aren't they?

I would think that would rate a separate page, yes. Soviet computers would be quite old now. - Hephaestos|§ 03:27, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

A piece of russian computer laugh, just for history: IBM PC compatible = писюк (pisyuk), hinting both at PC and "piss". `'mikka (t) 20:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

DVK and BK is not clones

Hey!.. DVK and BK-0010/0011 are NOT clones of PDP-11: there is no machines they copied from. They are both based on K1801VMx processor chips, which is NOT a clone of PDP-11, but shares the same command set. So, I think, we can say - DVK and BK-0010/0011 is PDP-11-like. -- NZeemin 18:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

As much as I lust after one of these machines, I have to disagree. The Z80 was considered an 8088 clone even though it was software compatible... - I consider anything that will run the instruction set a "clone". PDP-11 is an architecture more than any physical machine. And yet, it is not a machine blessed by DEC, so I have to think of it as a clone. I'm not 100% sure either way, but I really am leaning on "clone". It could have run RT-11 if it wanted to, couldn't it? -- toresbe 19:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea, is BK/DVK PDP architecture clone or not. But I see misfit on your argumentation. CPU, that run same intstruction set (as Z80 w/ i8080, you noted) is clone, clone-CPU. But two systems, built around similar (or same) CPUs can't be called the same (or cloned) system unless they has same architecture solutions - memory & i/o ports mapping, CPU environment chips, if any, etc, which allows same software binaries (including OS) to be run on both systems.

There is lot of systems, that using same CPU, but is completely different. For example, 8-bit Atari and Apple II are both 6502-based, but it isn't same (or original & clone) computers, because they use different environment solutions, and Apple II software cannot run on Atari system, vice versa.

So, even if BK has PDP-cloned instruction set CPU, it can be absolutely different system. 89.208.93.254 21:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Chronology

In Russian namespace we have chronology for the list: ru:Template:Хронология_советских_компьютеров. Hope it can be helful for the English article. I think, it is easy to translate the diagram or maybe it is understandable without any translation. -- NZeemin (talk) 19:09, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Encourage opening the history of Soviet computing

This is somewhat an amazing list from the formerly closed society. I encourage contributors to "flesh it out". Try to provide source material but beware and avoid adjectives like "clone". Try to give specifics about hardware architecture to help understand design: memory and word sizes, addressing, etc. departures from largely conventional von Neumann design (rare), and also software: languages, OSes where those existed, applications. Saying that something is a PC clone, Cray clone, IBM clone, VAX clone is very restrictive. They might sound impressive, but your former country's real history belongs to the non-surviving architectures like the system with 33-bit words, etc. Good luck and best wishes. 66.122.34.11 (talk) 16:13, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Proton 1M

There is an clone of MSE Rattler named Proton 1M but it's released in post-Soviet time. Natsume96 (talk) 12:02, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

The "Proton 1M" and "MSE Rattler" do not exist. Unrelated, but the Proton-M is a type of rocket. -Einstein95 (talk) 12:28, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I have found a "Proton-1M" (Протон-1М) as what seems to be a gas-powered hot water heater: https://www.avito.ru/tula/remont_i_stroitelstvo/gazovaya_kolonka_proton-1m_658131936 -Einstein95 (talk) 12:25, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

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