Talk:List of Starship launches/Archive 1

Archive 1

one more page with redundant and superfluous information

so we got one more page with redundant and superfluous information, that makes users a hard time to find relevant information scattered around on dozens of starship related wp articles that are neither sufficiently interlinked, nor clearly differentiated, nor properly maintained and updated by the community 47.64.135.127 (talk) 09:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

If it was "superfluous", it wouldn't have been raised from Draft to Article, much less to a B-Class article. Redacted II (talk) 12:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Content Copied

I don't know how to add the "content copied from articles x y and z", so I've copied content from SpaceX Starship and SpaceX Starship flight tests. I've also used List of Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launches as a template. Redacted II (talk) 11:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

If you don't know "how", why not ask for help? You should have copied the whole page including history and talk. Now, with deleting much of the original page (and renaming it), most of the work of others gets diluted and neglected as their changes and efforts are no longer repesented in the history of this page, although their texts and contributions are now here. I see that as severe violation of WP rules. You once more disregarded the work of others. 47.64.136.116 (talk) 07:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Once more, stop with the personal attacks.

Two: You can't copy the history of an article. Maybe I could if I was an admin, but I'm not.

Three: How is splitting an article disregarding their changes? Redacted II (talk) 12:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

I am not attacking, merely stating facts. You should learn to distinguish.

Obviously, you need to edudate yourself a little:

Help:Page_history#Moved_and_deleted_pages

WP:MM

WP:SPLIT

As you failed to split the page and to migrate the page contents including history (or if not able, ask for), but simply copied content:

Now, the history of this page does not show anymore who wrote which parts.

This violates rules:

WP:C

WP:COPYWITHIN

I think you should clean up your mess:

WP:RIA 47.64.137.61 (talk) 07:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Added template

(Thanks for providing the exact policies. It made finding the template possible) Redacted II (talk) 11:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Statistics Issue

The "Flight characteristics" graph may cause substantial issues in the future.

For example, here is a circumstance that is both expected to occur and will cause contradictions:

A number of tanker launches, in the high teens, send a total of 1500 tons of Methane and Oxygen to a waiting depot. A HLS is docked to the depot, and the fuel is transferred. The HLS then reignites its engines, and travels to the moon.

In this scenario, HLS qualifies for both "Earth Orbit" (this should be divided) and "Lunar".

How will we list this flight in the graph? LEO? TLI? Something else entirely? Redacted II (talk) 16:25, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

I've always thought that particular graph is a bit dumb. Almost all of them will be earth orbit flights. I hadn't even considered the problem you mentioned. I'm in favor of removing the thing entirely. Narnianknight (talk) 22:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't exist on the Falcon 9 article, so removing it is probably a good idea. Redacted II (talk) 00:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Removed. Narnianknight (talk) 00:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Flight 1 and 2 were a success

The reason those flights were a success is because they successfully lifted off and got further than the time before each time. SpaceX was able to collect the data and make improvements so the next flight could go even further yet again; so all those launches were a success. To say that any of them were failures is ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.23.250.2 (talk) 10:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

This has been discussed oder and over, and if some people had not split the starship topics into manyfold small articles without proper interlinking and (re-)import of old discussions, you would have found it. E g see here: Talk:SpaceX_Starship

It is also discussed and explained in the artikel itself in the table. In my opinion, a start that destroys most of the pads infrastructure, cannot be seen as success :) 47.64.136.116 (talk) 12:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

There has been extensive discussion of this.

They were failures, as they didn't deliver the vehicle into the desired orbit. Redacted II (talk) 12:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, that is false. As the test flights never wanted to reach any orbit and were clearly marked as suborbital on purpose, this argument fails. 47.64.137.61 (talk) 07:48, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect: transatmospheric is technically orbital. Redacted II (talk) 11:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Nonsense again. Suborbital is by definition not orbital. You don't understand the difference between transatmospheric and TEO. Not everything someone gets into transatmospheric heights will get orbital. Flight tests 3+4 were on purpose not fast enought by a few percentages, to avoid space junk if something went wrong, thus 3+4 did not enter an orbit at all. Either you know that and want to distract on purpose again, or you need to re-read some facts and educate yourself.

WP:Sub-orbital spaceflight clearly explains that and lists e.g. all Blue Origin flights for exaclty that reason. All Starship flight tests so far did tecnically the same. 47.64.136.117 (talk) 09:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Your confusing several terms.

IFT-1 and IFT-2 were aiming for a Transatmospheric orbit, with a perigee above the surface of the earth, but below the Kármán line.

Suborbital is what IFT-3 and IFT-4 targeted: with a perigee below the surface of the earth. Redacted II (talk) 11:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

If that was true, why does the IFT-1 page state "The projected flight path would have been suborbital" ?? It is referenced by one of you reveered secondary sources... 47.64.136.117 (talk) 07:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

It also lists "Regime Transatmospheric Earth orbit (planned)" in the infobox, and in the sentence before the one you cited (which is the only mention of the word "suborbital" in the article)

Its was transatmospheric. Redacted II (talk) 15:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Still it is crontradicting and confusing. Stay consistent, use reliable sources and no guessing. 47.64.136.117 (talk) 18:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Suborbital claim removed. Redacted II (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)