Talk:List of The Leftovers episodes
Latest comment: 6 years ago by TrueBlueFrog in topic Kevin Garvey jogging music
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Viewers
edit@Drovethrughosts: Pray tell, what rule or guideline states that we have to use two decimal place if the viewers are above a million, and that we have to use three decimal places if the viewers are below a million? The way it is currently displayed, it is inconsistent within the article itself and against every other article that the WikiProject Television oversees, and how long it has been displayed as such has zero relevance here. Also, if you disagreed with the edit, you should have taken it to the talk page yourself, instead of forcing me to through your reverts. -- AlexTW 12:13, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
- There are no guidelines or rules regarding how we display ratings information, but there are common conventions. We pretty much always use two decimal places with shows above one million (you know that), and commonly, use three decimal places with shows with low viewership such as under one million. Your argument is the same as mine, because we can't point to some guideline. I'm pointing to the fact that the article has been like that for more than year (late 2015) and the ratings haven't been touched since then. I disagree that someone can just come along and change it to their preference for no real reason. I don't see consistency as a problem because the number rounding is consistent within each season. Simply put, I don't see the change as an improvement. Which is more important that some self-obsessed worrying about "consistency". Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:43, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree, that does seem to be the general method on how to list viewers. However, that general method also goes by the manner of using the same decimal places throughout the entire article; in the three years that I have edited here, never have I seen an article list viewer numbers with both two and three decimals when the ratings alternate between being above and below a million. While I have never seen such a case of alternating decimals before, I can easily list off a multitude articles where consistency has been applied: iZombie, Riverdale, The 100, The Magicians, 12 Monkeys, Frequency, Legion, Mr. Robot, Teen Wolf. That is just from the articles I have bookmarked. Contrary to your belief, I am not basing my edits off of my own personal preference, but by the example followed by so many articles (while also being aware of WP:OTHER), and again that is being regardless of the time that the ratings have existed for. If ratings for those above a million are listed with two decimals, so should those below a million; or, if ratings for those below a million are listed with three decimals, so should those above a million. -- AlexTW 13:19, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
- I definitely understand your reasoning, I just feel it's slightly arbitrary. I get if a show is constantly bouncing between viewership of over and under a million viewers (see Veep) then it's best to be consistent. But here, the ratings dropped under a million right after season 1, and it seems they'll stay that way; so I feel there's still a consistency, within each season list. I can also point to some articles which use both formats (Treme, Always Sunny, Masters of Sex). If you want to add a third decimal space to the numbers over a million, go ahead. I just feel it's helpful and informative to show all three decimal places for shows with low viewership. Also, if you look at reliable sources online, then use the full numbers ([1]). Drovethrughosts (talk) 15:24, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
- Fair enough. As I mentioned at the end of my last post, and while it's not exactly common practice, I can agree on using three decimals throughout the article in a case where most of the viewers are under a million, even for viewers over a million. Perhaps this is something that should be added to MOS:TV. (This is somewhat reminiscent of a discussion we had back at Talk:List of Black Sails episodes § Viewers.) -- AlexTW 15:42, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
- Good compromise. And thanks for fixing the dead links. :) Drovethrughosts (talk) 16:31, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
- No problems; had to find the archived versions of the articles for the values, so I thought I might as well add them in while I was there. -- AlexTW 16:42, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
- Good compromise. And thanks for fixing the dead links. :) Drovethrughosts (talk) 16:31, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
- Fair enough. As I mentioned at the end of my last post, and while it's not exactly common practice, I can agree on using three decimals throughout the article in a case where most of the viewers are under a million, even for viewers over a million. Perhaps this is something that should be added to MOS:TV. (This is somewhat reminiscent of a discussion we had back at Talk:List of Black Sails episodes § Viewers.) -- AlexTW 15:42, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
- I definitely understand your reasoning, I just feel it's slightly arbitrary. I get if a show is constantly bouncing between viewership of over and under a million viewers (see Veep) then it's best to be consistent. But here, the ratings dropped under a million right after season 1, and it seems they'll stay that way; so I feel there's still a consistency, within each season list. I can also point to some articles which use both formats (Treme, Always Sunny, Masters of Sex). If you want to add a third decimal space to the numbers over a million, go ahead. I just feel it's helpful and informative to show all three decimal places for shows with low viewership. Also, if you look at reliable sources online, then use the full numbers ([1]). Drovethrughosts (talk) 15:24, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree, that does seem to be the general method on how to list viewers. However, that general method also goes by the manner of using the same decimal places throughout the entire article; in the three years that I have edited here, never have I seen an article list viewer numbers with both two and three decimals when the ratings alternate between being above and below a million. While I have never seen such a case of alternating decimals before, I can easily list off a multitude articles where consistency has been applied: iZombie, Riverdale, The 100, The Magicians, 12 Monkeys, Frequency, Legion, Mr. Robot, Teen Wolf. That is just from the articles I have bookmarked. Contrary to your belief, I am not basing my edits off of my own personal preference, but by the example followed by so many articles (while also being aware of WP:OTHER), and again that is being regardless of the time that the ratings have existed for. If ratings for those above a million are listed with two decimals, so should those below a million; or, if ratings for those below a million are listed with three decimals, so should those above a million. -- AlexTW 13:19, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Kevin Garvey jogging music
editUsed in at least two of the first season's episodes, the music that Kevin Garvey listens to whilst jogging is "The Girl from King Marie" by Jody Reynolds. Originally issued in 1963 it is now available on an album issued in 2013, "Golden Idol". Traced it on Amazon, their reference : Amazon.com Song ID: 243218828 © Cherished Records 2013 TrueBlueFrog (talk) 14:03, 14 December 2017 (UTC)