Talk:List of The Legend of Korra episodes

Broken edit

Lovely, someone broke the page and left it like that. Whomever it was, undo it eh? Berym (talk) 05:39, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Article for Republic City

Just like other Wikipedia TV show articles, the first episode is an article. So why can't The Legend of Korra have one! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.54.162 (talk) 12:21, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I will write one now. Oxfordwang (talk) 23:59, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Plot summary

I've undone these edits because they are not improvements; instead, they noticeably decrease the quality of the plot summary. Errors include: "hideout" should be "hide" (a hideout is a noun, not a verb); "sends a wire" is unclear because it may be wireless telegraphy; "the Equalist’s airbase" should be "the Equalists' airbase"; "forced them to bloodbend to preserve his legacy" makes little sense; "forcing everyone to abandon his cause" can be understood to mean that they did in fact force everyone to do so (instead, it is only what they intend). "because of Naga and" should read "because of Naga, and". "After they free Tenzin’s family, Amon pursues and overpowers Mako and Korra" is poorly written because it is not clear that "they" refers to Mako and Korra.

There are also parts that just make little sense. A mention of the electric fence is superfluous because this gadget has no wider relevance to the plot. "Amon removes his mask" means little because the summary does not tell us what the audience sees.

I'm sorry to be blunt, but before you rewrite existing prose, you should first make sure that your edits are actually improvements. In this case, they are not.  Sandstein  20:12, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

New hierarchy (apparently)

The source I've added to the article says that Books will be grouped into Seasons. Hopefully this Friday's Comic-Con panel will clarify. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)^[1] 03:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

But the creator Bryan Konietzko said that it was renewed for a Second Season (book 2) stated here. I have a feeling Entertainment Weekly doesn't know that each book is a separate season (like the first series). It was originally 12 episodes then Nick added 14 episode which is season 2 (book 2). I don't think we should edit the page until a final decision from Comic Con or Nick states otherwise. - Alec (talk) 06:35, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

The source looks fine to me. A little clarification wouldn't hurt, but Konietzko's Tumblr post is over five months old. Things could very well have changed since then and EW has just gotten the jump on it. SchrutedIt08 (talk) 06:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Besides the fact that Nick promoted the final 2 episodes as the "Season Finale" not the "Season 1: Book 1" Finale. The article is rather poorly written (but understandable to an extent.... just look at the comments under the article) and we'll probably have to wait until Comic Con or a Nick Press Release to hear the final say. - Alec (talk) 07:08, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Konietzko confirmed it, and also revealed that books 3 and 4 will consist of 13 episodes each: http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/27078349740/im-sure-this-meme-is-dead-by-now-but-it-still In Donaldismo Veritas (talk) 22:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposed redirection

See also: Talk:The Legend of Korra § RfC: Do we currently need a separate list of episodes for The Legend of Korra?

As discussed in Talk:The Legend of Korra#Restructuring, now that we have the article The Legend of Korra (Book 1), I think that this list should redirect to The Legend of Korra (Book 1)#Episodes for the time being: It now consists only of a list that duplicates the list in that new article, and of delelopment information that belongs (or is already) in the main article or in The Legend of Korra (Book 2). As soon as we have an episode list for book 2, a separate combined list article makes sense again. What do others think?  Sandstein  16:39, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Like I said on the other page, now that I see your point I agree with redirecting so long as there isn't any other significant opposition. — Parent5446 ☯ ^{(msg email)} 16:44, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay, re-redirecting again pending any objections.  Sandstein  16:51, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

This page still needs to exist, for the sake of simple convenience. Individual season articles should only be created when there is sufficient notability, which this seems to have. But the creation of those individual season article doesn't negate the existence of the main episode list page. Create the four individual season pages if you will, that's fine with me. But this page needs to stay and the episode information translucded to it. If you want to keep this re-directed until there is more information about Book 2, that's fine as well as long as you agree that this page be restored once that happens. SchrutedIt08 (talk) 06:55, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, we will need this list again as soon as we have episode information for Book 2.  Sandstein  07:10, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't even see why the Seasons were split? There Everything should be on one List of Episodes page until at least Season 1 Book 2 is finished airing. It's way too early to have each "Book" split into each season then redirect and it's all confusing. There's no need to split each book into separate pages. Besides the fact that there wasn't even a proposal on this page which the Talk Page is where a "Slit" discussion is suppose to take place. - 50.36.95.22 (talk) 07:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Nothing was split. Seasons (or books, in the case of this series) have information such as casting, production and reception associated with them that do not belong into this episode list. This list is only for listing all episodes of all books, and that makes only sense after more than one book has aired.  Sandstein  07:10, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes but each book is split. When I click on "List of Episodes" it's taking me to Season 1: Book 1 Air to the "Episodes" section. What was wrong with the way the page was before? It was just a list without it redirecting somewhere else. There was the summary at the top, the series overview, Book 1 air and the episodes and that's it. What's with all this redirecting? - 50.36.95.22 (talk) 07:15, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

What's wrong with it now? When you click on "List of Episodes", you get the list of episodes - they are all episodes of Book 1, so you find the list there.  Sandstein  08:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: We don't usually include the production stuff, etc. on the list of episode pages anyway just the episodes. There's no reason to even have a The Legend of Korra (Book 1) page yet. It's way too early. All that production info can be listed on the main The Legend of Korra page. Let's change it back to this but remove anything that's not suppose to be on the "list of episodes page" shorten the summaries and we're good to go. - 50.36.95.22 (talk) 07:26, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, precisely because we don't include the production stuff on the episode list there is now an article for Book 1 to hold all that stuff. I don't understand why you think it is too early - book 1 has aired, and there's lots of information about its production and reception.  Sandstein  08:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

There actually is not a lot of info at all on the page. All production info and ratings can go on the main page (which is where more featured episode list pages have it anyway) and we can leave the episode list and upcoming info on the list of episode pages. The reason it's too early if you look at the Good Luck Charlie page I proposed, it did not get split as there's no reason too. You also mentioned on the "Restructuring" page about it looking like Game of Thrones, look at that page and look at the Korra page. One is done the right way, one isn't. There's a lot less info on the Korra page and it's really premature to the Game of Thrones page. Why didn't you open a discussion in the first place to even split the articles? Wikipedia isn't "my way or the highway". I agree production info, ratings, etc. don't need to be on the list of episodes page, but that can be stored on the main page until we have enough to split the books into pages where there will be enough to put there. There isn't nearly enough info on the page to even have the page. - 50.36.95.22 (talk) 09:00, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Also, 2 small paragraphs is not "lots" of info for production and there's one sentence for the ratings, awards, reception... that is NOT lots of information. - 50.36.95.22 (talk) 09:02, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: If you look at my test page, this is what the "List of Episodes" page should look like. I've modified it a tad to not include production information and the episode summaries should be shortened but this is what it should look like now. There's too little info on the (Book 1) page... especially if you're linking back to the main article anyway. It's premature (even if the first season has aired). - Alec (talk) 09:30, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

If you read the various WP:TV guidelines and look at other television series examples, you'll find that this is the exact opposite of what is done (and probably should be done). The episode list is usually reserved strictly for an overview of the series, i.e., a list of episodes as its namesake implies. Then the season articles are used to provide plot summary and individual season production information. Finally the main page is used to summarize the plot and production information and sum everything together into an overall look at the series itself. While I think maybe it might have been slightly premature to begin this split into season articles just now, there is nothing wrong with it and the current articles seem to be doing just fine. I applaud Sanstein for his boldness and willingness to actually put the work into making the split. — Parent5446 ☯ ^{(msg email)} 13:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

What isn't done though is redirecting the episode list after season articles have been split out. The main list remains and the episode table is transcluded as happened with this edit, which results in the page looking like this. The process is detailed at Template:Episode list#Sublists. --AussieLegend (talk) 16:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Aussie on this. We need a "list of episodes" page regardless of there's a (Book 1) page or not. We should nnot be redirecting it to the (Book 1) episodes section but transcluded on the list of episodes page. - Alec (talk) 17:21, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I am familiar with the process. If you look at the history for this article and the Book 1 article, you'll see that I changed it to use the Episode list/sublist template and transclusion as is done with the ATLA articles. The argument Sandstein is offering is that since there is only one season aired, and thus only one book article with a list, to have a separate episode list is redundant. The purpose of a general episode list is to bring together all the individual season articles and give an overview of the episode list, but there is no point in doing that for just one season. — Parent5446 ☯ ^{(msg email)} 18:36, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Exactly. There's just no point in duplicating content, and an episode list that would only consist of a duplication of the list in the Book 1 article, and nothing more, makes little sense to me.  Sandstein  19:09, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

The lead contains overview information that isn't in The Legend of Korra (Book 1) and which is useful to readers (I've never watched the show but I know a little bit about it because of what I've read in the lead). The same is true for the series overview and episode list sections, which contain information about seasons 1 & 2. Clearly there is opposition to the redirection as several editors have now reverted the redirection. Perhaps it's better just to leave it as per most other shows to avoid what are bound to be ongoing problems. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

The reason it doesn't make sense Sandstein is because (Book 1) was created prematurely. Which is why there's way too many duplicates. If we didn't have the (Book 1) page we wouldn't have to worry about duplication of information on both pages. The way the list of episodes page is right now is the correct way (even if it is duplicating most of the same information. This is why it's bad to make premature pages... then we don't run in to too much info being duplicated. We should('ve) at least wait(ed) until we have more Season 2 information before we even split the pages (which is what's stated in Template:Episode list#Sublists). Or waited until Season 1 has aired fully and had more season 2 information. - Alec (talk) 04:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree that the way it is now is the better way to go, although I would've waited until all 26 episodes aired and then created a page for the entire season rather than individual articles for each book (again, like The Sopranos, Season Six, Heroes, Season 3 and what will happen with Breaking Bad, Season Five). Then again, I was perfectly happy just having the primary episode list and not having individual season pages at all (i.e. this edit. SchrutedIt08 (talk) 05:19, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I've set up an RfC to discuss this, at Talk:The Legend of Korra#RfC: Do we currently need a separate list of episodes for The Legend of Korra?.  Sandstein  07:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Seasons

Seasons were never used in Avatar and they will not be used here, just because they purchased more episodes doesn't mean it makes a new season. Obtund^Talk 12:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually, it does. Read any of the sources. There will be two seasons split into four books. It doesn't matter what The Last Airbender did. SchrutedIt08 (talk) 12:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes it does we follow models, and they called the last episode of Book 1 the season finale... Obtund^Talk 12:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea what you mean by "following models", but the decision to extend LOK didn't come until after episode twelve had aired, so of course they called it the finale. Unlike The Last Airbender, where each book covered an entire season, each season of Korra will be split in half, so there will be four books spread across two seasons. It's mentioned in numerous sources and should be noted here. SchrutedIt08 (talk) 12:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

But they knew about book two. Obtund^Talk 13:10, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I'd appreciate it if you both stopped edit warring the article and rather expressed your opinion in the RFC going on in the main Korra article, which is discussing the fate of this article and the season/book articles. — Parent5446 ☯ ^{(msg email)} 16:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Quite so.  Sandstein  16:37, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

2 episodes were leaked in January 19, 2012, i watched them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.101.208.61 (talk) 19:17, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Books 1 and 2 are season 1, and Books 3 and 4 are season 2. Bryan Konietzko explained it on his Tumblr here. 184.144.130.235 (talk) 02:03, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Sources for animation studios ahead of time?

It looks like someone put down which studios are animating which episode ahead of time (18/10/13) but there seams to be no sources for this. Does anyone wanna edit the page and add one? I would like confirmation please. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.186.38 (talk) 05:00, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Book 2 DVD Region 1 DVD & Region A Blu-ray sets release dates for both U.S. & Canada.

The Book 2 release dates are different for the U.S. & Canada; on this page, you have the release date listed as August 5th. This is actually when the DVD & Blu-ray sets come out in Canada; July 1st is still the date for the U.S. I should know; I asked the company themselves about it on Twitter. :D

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Please fix the article accordingly. Thank you in advance! :) --Freespirit1981 (talk) 18:17, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Question

I wanted to ask first so as to avoid conflict or a removal but can the next episodes of Book 3 be put into the episode list? The titles were released accidentally but I was just thinking what could some titles do to spoil anything? Thanks in advance Guhjkl4 (talk) 10:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not concerned with spoilers. That can be done if there are reliable published sources for this data (see WP:RS). Do you know of any?  Sandstein  11:12, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't have any concrete evidence or anything but if you search it on Google it will show you the 2/3 of the next episodes. I've seen the episodes already but I can't put in a citation or link to anything that I believe is reliable. I've only recently started to edit and stuff so that's why I'm cautious to not do anything asinine. I going to just put it in anyways. Guhjkl4 (talk) 11:25, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

@Guhjkl4: Sorry, you may not add content that is not supported by reliable sources; if you do it anyway it may be removed. Please see WP:V, a very important policy, for why that is so.  Sandstein  11:26, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I asked first but I'll try to find something that's reliable and up to Wikipedia's standards :) Guhjkl4 (talk) 11:29, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Seasons vs. Books

See also: Talk:The Legend of Korra/Archive 2 § Book 2 and season 2, and Talk:The Legend of Korra/Archive 3 § Books vs. Seasons

It seems there's a bit of confusion as to what is a Season in Korra. The creators and Nic.com have both listed Season 1 as Book 1 and Book 2, while Season 2 is Book 3 and 4. If you look at the Production Codes for each episodes it also becomes clear. S02E01 isn't code 201 it's code 113. I would like to suggest someone edit the page to reflect this. I think it's core to the structure of the show and reflects the actual run of the show. I have tried to do this change myself except someone keeps changing them back so I give up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MavericSun (talk • contribs) 04:20, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

This has already been discussed at length at the main article's talk page, which can be found at Talk:The Legend of Korra/Archive 2#Book 2 and season 2 and Talk:The Legend of Korra/Archive 3#Books vs. Seasons. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:33, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) This has received a fair amount of discussion before (here and here), and the consensus has been that regardless of the internal numbers used by the producers, Wikipedia should reflect the terminology used in Nickelodeon's marketing materials and reliable secondary sources about the show, which by and large refer to each "book" as a separate season. –Prototime (talk · contribs) 04:37, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Book 4 television air dates

Since Nickelodeon has confirmed to air Book 4 on Nicktoons (this Friday, November 28), would it be plausible to post the air dates for the book on the episode list? Wikialexdx (talk) 05:36, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Not really, as the episode list only needs the original release dates. That way it avoids having way too many release dates in one cell. Short and simple. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:51, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

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