Talk:List of The Simpsons characters/Archive 1

Archive 1

vandalism

ATTENTION: This page is regularly vandalized by the same person from varying, anonymous IP addresses. This person continually adds knowingly-false (but believable-sounding) characters to this list. This has been going on for months. The vandal has been warned repeatedly and should be banned on sight. Please verify ALL anonymous contributions to this page. RADICALBENDER★ 06:21, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

By the way, I also wanted to mention that this is the most persistent vandal I've ever seen. A number of us have been reverting this page for about eight months now. RADICALBENDER★ 06:34, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, and if you look at his contributions, it's not only this page that he's been vandalizing. Kaizersoze 03:00, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)

Top

Just let you know, I've added some stuff about the Brazilian football team that were working in the reactor core ("The Last Temptation of Homer") Saxsux

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Consolidate minor characters (7 to 2 with comments):

• Minor characters go to the Characters from The Simpsons page
  • +: fewer stubs
  • Ed Poor, --KQ, Danny, Ortolan88, *<:@), Tarquin but see note below, mav
• merge groups of characters together (see details below)
  • +: far fewer stubs
  • +: easier to read a few longer articles
  • +: less repetition of info
  • Martin
• Every single character gets their own page:
  • +: no thought required
  • Jeronimo (as with Lord of the Rings), LDC (if there is, in fact, an article with real content--a one-line stub is not an article)

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Having been temporarily stymied in my attempts to move sep11 tributes to the sep11.wiki, I'm considering doing merges on this material. My masterplan is:

• Springfield Nuclear Powerplant - to contain info on all employees (bar Homer), plus any general info people think of.
• Flanders family
• Simpsons family
• Nahasapeemapetilon family
• remainder of info to remain in individual articles for the time being

This would be a good point to flame me to heck and back if you think this is a bad idea! :) Martin

I'm not sure if I like the idea or not... probably, but I won't commit. If you do do it, you should have Springfield Elementary School for the students (minus Bart and Lisa, of course) and faculty. Tuf-Kat

I did Nahasapeemapetilon family by way of example. I also moved the previous vote block here and added pros and cons Martin

I just did Flanders family, but Anonymous56789 appears to disagree with me. I hope he will come here so we can discuss this. :) Martin

(copied from top) It makes more sense to link to something like Ned Flanders than to Flanders family, and a page that links to Ned Flanders should be mostly about Ned Flanders, not his family. - Anonymous56789

I don't think it makes any sense to have seperate articles on each of the Flanders. Rod Flanders has been a stub for over six months now, so I doubt that it's suddenly going to become a fully fledged article. I think the Flanders are best understood as a family, rather than individually. For example, most of the things one can say about Rod, one can also say about Todd. Martin

Please consolidate as needed. --Uncle Ed

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Comic Book Guy

Did I overlook him or is Comic Book Guy missing from this page? If so that's quite an oversight. Seems he should be with business figures. -R. fiend 06:10, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

He sadly wasn't on there. That's really bad. Everybody thought that everybody else had put him on, yet no one had... -- user:zanimum

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And while I'm at it there's that guy who appears all over the place, I think the action figure is called "sarcastic man" or something. He appears as a taxi driver, joke shop owner, exterminator, pet store owner, etc. Oh yeah, and that reminds me, for the "pets" section, what about the gerbil (or whatever rodent it was) that Lisa does science project on? (The pet shop owner claimed he wrote mysteries under some pseudonym I can't remember, I guess that would be his name.) And since any animal seems to qualify as a pet, there's also "Blinky" the three eyed fish. -R. fiend 17:33, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

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Refactor (a.k.a. Sorta' Major Edit)

I've been watching this page kinda' wobble for a while. Though many good things have been added and some long-standing junk was pulled, it needs a good tweak. My big point of contention: Lots of details.

Much info is duplicated from supplimentary pages (SNPP, Moe's, individual families') but is, in my opinion, too verbose for this page's list-like nature. A good deal can be omitted due to the very good inter-Wiki linking here, and others can be shoved off to the "repeat characters" or the "one-time characters" pages. Some notes are not encyclopedic and should be modified (ie. 'in one episode'). What's more, there are bits both unsubstantiated (Ronald Reagan?, no. Maybe Will Rogers.) and incorrect (Cree, Homer's half mother?, Dr. Sandy Rudolph?).

Smaller problems include: What was originally the Simpson family pet list (see the Table of Contents indent) has become the list of animals town-wide. Even so, such a list shouldn't be second on the page. There's my long standing wish to either move the "deceased list" onto the "one-timers" page, or just chuck it in leiu of snpp.com doing much better than us (stealing theirs would be wrong I suppose). The "voiced by" notes can be moved to the main Simpsons page with the actors' notes. The "Robot Rumble" list is a one-off and pointless.

I may just attack this page and let reverts/rebuilds occur as consensus demands. Hope everybody's down.

Domhnall 06:18, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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missing characters

Would somebody please do me the favour to add Steward the working duck to the nuclear power plant characters?

• No one has mentioned osama binrotten, sec of state colon kapow or uncle slam(jeez, its been MONTHS sicne i mentioned this.. and it just rerun so i got the final name)
• Also missing are Krusty's one-time sidekick the "no" lady (Mrs. No Means No)(I forget her name); I don't know if you also want to include his two 'sidekicks' (a gas tank and a scorpion?) from when Sideshow Bob shut down television. RealGrouchy 17:41, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
• Then there's the hamster that Bart and Milhouse launched into space, who said goodbye to his 'wife' in a shoebox living room. RealGrouchy 17:41, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • That's 'Nipples', and I added him today.--Anchoress 22:31, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Hmmmmm... Actually, he's listed under 'School Pets' as 'Nibbles' with the same info I wrote. Perhaps he has been authenticated as a school pet in another episode; in the rocket episode there's no mention of his origins. --Anchoress 22:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
      • His name is probably not "nipples"... Adam Bishop 01:07, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Should Roy, from The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show, be added in this list? And would he be classed as a non-canon Simpson family member or not? Whiptail Crow 21:48, 12 December 2006 (GMT)

I can't imagine why he wouldn't be canon, since it was a regular episode. I'll add him. Natalie 23:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Where can you add Guy Incognito, the guy who looks like Homer but with a monocle, top-hat and mustache? He was in 2F08, Fear Of Flying. Bart's Frog,Bart,Jr.They didn't put him on the pets list.--Ichozo (talk) 21:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Marge

Isn't Bouvier Marge's maiden name, and not her middle name? If so, putting her name as "Marge Bouvier Simpson" is incorrect, and should be changed to "Marge Simpson (nee Bouvier)", with the acute accent on the first e of nee. - Chewyman 19:41 NZT

Better? To get that e, you can hold down alt and type "130". Also check out Wikipedia:How to edit a page#Character_formatting--Will2k 23:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)

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Who is Natasha, the person mentioned as Ned's stepwife? Is she in an upcoming episode?- B-101 17:22, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It's one of the many fake characters this persistent vandal keeps adding. Kaizersoze 17:35, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)

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why is ned's vegas wife (ginger) added, but not homer's vegas wife (can't remember her name)?

Because, like, you, nobody can remember it APclark 11:32, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

But then again Homer's Vegas wife featured in another episode, sort of.Davie4264 16:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I think Homer's Vegas Wife's name is/was Amber.

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Does anyone know where ralphs leprechaun when to? I have seen him in one show and that is all. I have looked for him on the net. I want a tattoo of the leprechaun, my birthday is on St. Patricks day, and I wanted a leprechaun and the one I want is off the simpsons. I can't find his photo. I would like to see him on some shows too. If you know of one email me-kinkygreenleprechaun@yahoo.ca-thanks, frances

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Mr. Bumblebee Man

I made a minor change in Mr. Bumblebee Man. He is mexican, not spanish.

Maggie's Name

I recall seeing an episode where someone in authority asked Homer about Majorie Simpson, in which Homer was confused, and Marge told Homer it was Maggie. Can someone confirm/deny if this is the case? I do have a fairly faulty memory ;)

• Unfortunately, I don't remember the episode name or number. However, I remember seeing that as well, but it was "Margaret" who was asked about, as "Maggie" is the common short form. "Marjorie" is Marge's full first name. Eric 03:47, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
  • That's the episode where Bart, Lisa and Maggie get fostered out to the Flanders'. Homer and Marge go before a judge (a nice older lady, not Roy or Constance) and Homer belies his avowal of good parenthood by 'correcting' the judge when she tells him his youngest daughter is 'Margaret' (don't remember exactly, but it's something like, Homer: 'Nothing could be more rewarding than being a good dad to Bart and Lisa.' Judge: 'And Margaret.' Homer: 'Who?' Marge (sotto voce): 'Maggie!'). --Anchoress 22:25, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
    • In one episode, Mother Simpson, Homer goes to the records office to correct the fact that He isn't dead,

At the Springfield Hall of Records Homer: (looking at his records) “Wife, Margorie. Children, Bartholomew, Lisa”—Aha! See? This thing is all screwed up! Who the heck is Margaret Simpson? Bureaucrat: Uh, your youngest daughter. Homer: (mockingly) Uh, Your youngest daughter!

Not sure but is that a different reference or are they the same one.Davie4264 16:56, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Rumbleina is a pro wrestler on The Simpsons

Episode The Parent Rap. It's in the second act, when Bart is watching TV after Judge Harm sentences Marge and Homer to be in locks. He's watching a wrestling show:

Lisa: Do you think it's fair that you're always into trouble, yet Mom and Dad are being punished?

Bart: No, it's terrible. [loudly slurps his soda]

Lisa: Well, why don't you do something about it?

Bart: After wrestling.

Announcer: Ladies and Gentlemen, I don't believe what I am seeing. Dr. Bonebreak just married Rumbleina, and they're already whaling on each other! [on TV, a wrestling couple attack each other with folding chairs]

Lisa: When are you going to start taking responsibility for your actions?

Bart: If I felt like it.

Lisa: You're not even listening.

Bart: I know you are, but what am I?

Lisa: Ugh. [walks off]

(Crosspost)

Edits

• Moved the quote 'To be fair, I've never actually killed anyone.' from Cecil's bio to Bob's. Bob spoke that line to Cecil. Then fixed the formatting I screwed up with the move. --Anchoress 22:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
• Added Sideshow Bob to the Mayoral list under Government, and moved Ray Patterson (whose entry seemed to split the 'related' list). --Anchoress 22:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
• Added Frank Ormand and John Frink Senior to the Business category. --Anchoress 23:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
• Added M. Kapperberg to teachers list. --Anchoress 23:56, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Orgin of Moe's name?

Currently it says "Moe – Matt Groening's former drug rehab counselor". Does anyone have a source for this? I suspect it's bullshit. Rubber cat 07:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Spolier?

Why is there a spoiler warning? No plot is given away. --Thebends 23:47, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Name origins organization

Does anybody else think that the name origins section is in need of some organization? I'm thinking that all the names that come from Oregon geography should be collated into their own sub-section of the name origins section. For one, it would reduce the number of repetitions of the word "Portland". Ideas? Matt Gies 18:40, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Ozmodiar

Should Ozmodiar really be listed under pets? I mean, really, he's an alien, not a gerbil. I'm not sure where he should go, but if anyone has any ideas it might be nice.God and a half 19:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Springfield Retirement Home

Looking through this list, I noticed that there's no section for the Springfeild Retirement Home. If so then that means we've missed out on characters such as Jasper and the Crazy Old Man (someone seen with Grampa regulary). --DChiuch 05:42, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Jaspar and Grampa are listed down under Teachers from the time they substituted, I suppose, notthat there shouldn't be a Retirment Castle section. BabuBhatt 05:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

True, but we're missing out on characters such as: Crazy Old Man, Belle (Grampa's girlfriend) and others that I can't remember. --DChiuch 05:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC) Jasper,Too.--Ichozo (talk) 21:18, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Self-referrential links

Why are there some links for characters that redirect back to the top of this page (such as Clancy Bouvier)? There doesn't seem to be to be much of a point of that. I wouldn't recommend linking any characters unless they have their own page.

Moe's name origin

I'd just like to reiterate the question above. Does Moe's name really come from Matt Groening's former drugs counsellor? There's no mention of this in his own entry. Phileas 01:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Colonel Happ-Happablapp?

I am fairly certain this character is not in the list but I thought I'd better check with others before adding him in case I'm wrong.

• You are absolutely, shockingly, right! Please feel free to add him! Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming Usrnme h8er 03:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Smithers

I don't think there is doubt in anybody's mind that Smither IS gay. Could this "possibly", at the very least, be changed to a "probably"? Satchfan 08:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

The producers have confirmed he is gay, so anybody who says he isn't is wrong. TJ Spyke 00:58, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

This is a pretty old discussion with no objectors, and I've read that Smithers is absolutely positively gay (from either the producers or MG, don't remember which), so I changed it.--Anchoress 04:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject: Simpsons

OK... Anyone interested in helping cleanup the Simpsons information, join the WikiProject... if we can all work together, instead of different editors working on different pages, we can get all the Simpsons information on all of Wikipedia organized... - Adolphus79 10:11, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Name origins move

It has been proposed that the Name Origins section of this page be moved to List of The Simpsons name origins, as part of a 'The Simpsons character lists overhaul'... (see WikiProject The Simpsons)

• Support - Adolphus79 03:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
• Makes sense to me. Support - Usrnme h8er 11:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
• Support --Maitch 12:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
• Support per everyone --Anchoress 12:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
• Support per Anchoress --Rubber cat 22:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
  • closed... vote was move... moved... - Adolphus79 21:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Bastardo

The character of Bastardo, a relative of Milhouse, sounds like a knock-off of Antonio Bandara's character from the Spy Kids trilogy. Digifiend 10:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Brad Goodman

I can't find him in the list. I don't know who he really are, could be the reason why I don't found him. Under which category is he?

Sorry my english 83.250.1.18 18:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Guests

It could be fun if there was a guest category Ex. The rolling stones, N'Sync etc.

Sorry my english 83.250.1.18 18:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

check out List of guest stars on The Simpsons... - Adolphus79 22:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Clancy Bouvier

I believe Clancy's article should merge with the List of characters from The Simpsons article. His character is of too little importance to the series to be given an article that probably nobody is going to bother to read. Just my two cents. Same applies to Gladys Bouvier. Sillygostly 08:38, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, Dolores Montenegro needs to merged into here. --WillMak050389 15:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree on all 3 counts. King Bee 17:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Mrs. Hibbert: Bernice/Sylvia?

I could have sworn that at least one episode of "The Simpsons" mentions Mrs. Hibbert's name to be Sylvia. Is this my imagination? Kidicarus222 05:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

According to snpp.com she has been called both Sylvia and Bernice. Adam Bishop 15:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Joey Miyashima

Wikipedia has an article on Joey Miyashima, who was the voice of Toshiro, the apprentice chef in the Simpsons episode "One Fish, Two Fish, Blowfish, Blue Fish" (referenced at IMDb). If this falls within the scope of The Simpsons project, please add Toshiro to the appropriate lists and add the appropriate categories to Joey Miyashima. TheMadBaron 18:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Rich Texan vs. Antoine O'Hara

• this both are different persons, they have very different looks -- Simpsonspedia.net 08:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion

I have 2/3 of a mind to propose it for AfD. The list is COMPLETELY OR and 97% or so of the material cannot be verified through any reliable sources. Thoughts, anyone? - CrazyRussian talk/email 03:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Well the reliable sources page is a guideline, not a policy. Here is a stable, respectable source for Simpsons information which I'm sure can provide citations for about 97% of the info in this article. Between that, IMDb and tv.com, pretty much everything in this article is sourcable on the 'net. Anchoress 03:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

SNPP and Simpsonspedia are not reliable sources. Sorry. RS is an elaboration on V, which is policy. Also read this from Jimbo. - CrazyRussian talk/email 03:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

RS says right on the page that it's a guideline, and that it's open to exceptions. I'm ont familiar with Simpsonpedia, but what's not reliable about SNPP? Anchoress 04:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Incorrect. Even if you hold the (frankly, nonsensical, as far as I'm concerned, but regardless) opinion that the episodes do not constitute reliable primary sources, then one can easily source the vast majority of this article from The Simpsons: A Complete Guide To Our Favorite Family (edited by Ray Richmond, ISBN 0-06-095252-0), The Simpsons Forever! (edited by Scott M. Gimple, ISBN 0-06-098763-4) and the rest in that series of episode guides.--SB | T 05:42, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

How is this original research? Adam Bishop 05:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Selma and Patty

In the article List of characters from The Simpsons under Clancy Bouvier it is stated;

"Smokes a cigar. Possibly where Patty & Selma get the addiction from?"

I believe this is wrong, in the season 2 episode Three Men and a Comic Book there is a flash back of Marge, Patty and Selma as kids. Marge is acting as a slave for Patty and Selma for money when one of the twins says something along the lines of "Now that we have more free time lets take up smoking" I think this is the reason why Patty and Selma smoke, not because their dad smoked cigars. (Josh della 06:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC))

Trimming the list

I have proposed trimming down the character information (not the names) over at the Simpsons Wikiproject. Basically there is too much character information per person on this list and numerous people are listed repeatedly. I'm intending to start pruning soon, but will wait a day or so for any serious objections. Natalie 16:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with pruning all of the repeated names. Have each character listed once, and once only. Wavy G 02:10, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, that's good. It's actually already been done, although the occasional person tries to add a name again. Natalie 15:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

NOTOC

I can't find people, so I'm taking the NOTOC out. Rich Farmbrough, 09:41 27 November 2006 (GMT).

"please source Ned's mother's name (on talk page) before re-adding it"

Scene transcript from The Simpsons Archive's episode capsule of Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song:

Marge: Ned, Homer and I are a little concerned with the way the school's being run.
Homer: [mouth full of peanut butter cups] Yes. Deeply concerned.
Ned: I may go a little easy on the old hickory-dickory stick, but that's just because my dad was hard on me when I was a boy.
[flashback to New York City; a young Ned spills some ink]

Young Ned: Whoopsie doodle.
Ned's Dad: Oh, man! Ned spelled ink all over my poems. He's a real flat tire, I mean a cube, man. He's putting us on the train to Squaresville, Mona!

Excellent. Thank you. Natalie 23:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Huh, what a weird coincidence; both Homer's and Ned's moms named Mona. Anchoress 01:49, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

assessment class

I think this article might be B-Class, or at least close. Agree, disagree? Natalie 00:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

There are still some problems, ie. It needs some sources (there's a good list at SNPP) and there are still some missing.

And, I don't think this article ever would have a chance at making FA, because there's no easy official source that we can use. I know SNPP is an acceptable source, but I've been hassled quite a bit over at the FA proposal for the Guest stars list because of sources. I'm currently preparing Season 2 to make a stab, and if it succeeds, we can work on the rest of the seasons. I'm sure some will call it un notable, but I'm going to try anyway. -- Scorpion0422 00:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think it'll get FA, but lots of lists don't have sources. In fact, most of the lists I've seen of ficitonal characters don't have sources. Then again, I haven't looked at the all. Natalie 00:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Having looked again at some character lists, it seems about 1/2 and 1/2 as to whether they have sources. I'll start adding sources, but I'd like to avoid in-line citations, since I think it will uglify the list again, which I see was a complaint in the old FA. Natalie 00:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I think we should remove the characters that are only mentioned and not seen. They aren't a character if they are just mentioned. It would clean up the list and we would need less sources.

That's okay with me. Natalie 01:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Bleeding Gums Murphy?

Hi all, new to Wikipedia here.

Was just wondering, wasn't Bleeding Gums Murphy implied to be Dr. Hibbert's brother? Should we add him to the Hibbert family (or at least a note to the possibility?) Shrumster 06:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

As the paragraph at the top of the page states, characters are listed only once. Homer, for example, is a member of the main family, but also a former student of Springfield Elementary, nuclear plant employee, Moe's patron, etc. Natalie 01:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

LGBT characters?

Do we really need this section? The only reason we have the deaths section is because this was information merged from "List of deaths on The Simpsons". As all of these characters are listed a second time (which they shouldn't be), I think this info is redundant. So if no one minds, I'm going to remove it. Natalie 22:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Okeley-dokely! --Rubber cat 06:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The section was added again, and I have removed it again. Natalie 23:38, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Anonymous Character

I'm new to Wikipedia, so please point out any mistakes I make here so I can fix them. There is one character who shows up on extremely rare occasions, and whom I do not believe has a name, but i think should be included just because he has appeared on multiple occasions. This character does not seem to be human, being heavyset and having a nose like a horn and two antennae-like appendages protruding from his head. He is present at the following points:

Episode 7, Season 18: Ice Cream of Margie: Marge is just finishing creating a model of him when Kent Brockman asks if she is interested in appearing on his show.

Episode 6, Season 11: Hello Gutter, Hello Fadder: He can be seen when homer is on a talk show having scored a perfect 300 bowling.

There is another instance when he appears after homer remarks that TV producers always change TV shows around in the beginning and shunt some characters into the background. The character walks past the window as homer is saying this. I don't know which episode it was.

I hope someone can identify whoever this is.

Milliganpierce 00:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)Milliganpierce

That's the Capital City Goofball, a baseball mascot --Rubber cat 06:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria

I think that this is an awful list. It is way too long, poorly structured and includes way to many unimportant characters. I would like to propose that we define an inclusion criteria, so that certain unimportant characters doesn't crowd this list. We already have a list called List of one-time characters from The Simpsons, so I propose that this list only lists characters who have appeared in two or more episodes. --Maitch 14:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I disagree that the list is too long. Take a look at List of Shakespearean characters; that includes over 1200 people. Perhaps the organization could be re-done, but how would you propose to do that?Natalie 14:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, if this list should include every character (even one-time characters) on the show, then we don't have a rationale for having a list called List of one-time characters from The Simpsons. I would propose that the list gets converted to a table in which an image is included for every character. --Maitch 14:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

A table sounds fine. Natalie 15:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't here for the creation of the one-time characters list, so I'm not sure what the rationale was. But my guess is that it was a place for those one-time characters who were voiced by someone famous, since they're sort of like guest stars and sort of like real characters. How to break up the character lists would probably be best handled at WikiProject Simpsons. Natalie 15:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I will take inclusion issue up at the Simpson Wikiprojekt. Below is my idea for a table for this list. I think we should find pictures that are headshots, so they don't take up as much vertical space. My idea is inspired by List of Prison Break characters, which looks very nice. --Maitch 17:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Picture	Name	Voice actor	First appearence
	Homer Simpson	Dan Castellaneta	Tracy Ullman Short "Good Night"
	Homer Simpson is a safety inspector at the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant and a generally well-meaning buffoon.
	Marge Simpson	Julie Kavner	Tracy Ullman Short "Good Night"
	Marge Simpson is for the most part a stereotypical American housewife and mother.

Not a bad idea, although it should all be on one line. We don't need big huge sections for first appearance. Either way, it will take a little work. -- Scorpion 17:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, the huge section was ment to hold a character description and I want the images to have a smaller height. --Maitch 17:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

In the Prisonbreak table, they have descriptions and they're on the same line for teh main characters. If we're aiming to have images for most characters, I can get episode images for the first 9 seasons (and some later episodes too) -- Scorpion 17:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

The first half of the Prison Break table has it on one line and the second on two lines. I prefer two, because I think it will look better on screens with a smaller resolution, but I can go with whatever the majority of people prefers. --Maitch 17:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, whichever you think looks best. I'm currently on a large resolution screen. But I agree that the height of the images should be smaller. -- Scorpion 18:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Picture	Name	Voice actor	First appearence	Description
	Homer Simpson	Dan Castellaneta	Tracy Ullman Short "Good Night"	Homer Simpson is a safety inspector at the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant and a generally well-meaning buffoon.
	Marge Simpson	Julie Kavner	Tracy Ullman Short "Good Night"	Marge Simpson is for the most part a stereotypical American housewife and mother.

Here is an example of an one line version. The images should be smaller and the description should be a bit longer. Which do you prefer, Natalie? --Maitch 19:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

You know, I think I like the two line version better, provided we shorten the images. -- Scorpion 19:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible for you to find two screenshots of Homer and Marge, so that we can compare better? --Maitch 19:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

At the moment I'm at school, so I can't get screenshots, but take a look through the season pages and I'm sure you'll find some good images. -- Scorpion 19:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Update: There, best I could find quickly. I will also say that many of the screenshots (especially in the early seasons) should be replaced due to poor quality or having little to do with the episode and just being a silly capture. -- Scorpion 19:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

These will do for now. It's only a test. It would be good to hear what other people think about it. --Maitch 19:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Would there be an image for each character? There are a lot of characters, and loading all those images would inconvenience users with slower connections. --Rubber cat 22:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

In my original post I described my plan for only including characters who have been in at least two episodes. One-time characters already being listed in the List of one-time characters from The Simpsons. --Maitch 22:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

This is a great idea. But use the one line version and scrap the images (there are too many reasons for this to list). I also think a slightly different layout would work better, and also some different hues to make it easier to look at and locate a character. I have created an example of this below:

Character	Voice actor	Notes	Credited from
Homer Simpson	Dan Castellaneta	Main character. Husband of Marge and father of Bart, Lisa and Maggie. Homer works as a safety inspector at the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant.	"Good Night" - present
Marge Simpson	Julie Kavner	Main character. Wife of Homer and mother of Bart, Lisa and Maggie.	"Good Night" - present
Bart Simpson	Nancy Cartwright	Main character. Son of Homer and Marge and brother of Lisa and Maggie.	"Good Night" - present
Lisa Simpson	Yeardley Smith	Main character. Daughter of Homer and Marge and sister of Bart and Maggie.	"Good Night" - present
Maggie Simpson	Various	Main character. Daughter of Homer and Marge and sister of Bart and Lisa.	"Good Night" - present

Please tell me what you think! I do believe this is a fantastic idea that would GREATLY improve this list of characters. Maybe even make it look a bit more encyclopedic? - .:Alex:. 16:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm iffy on a tabular format. While it is wonderful to have a nice table for main characters, when you start to make a table for the full list, (which, btw, as the Shakespeare example shows, should technically include every character ever seen or at least referred to by name, or with a line of dialogue if it is to be encyclopedic, and not arbirary (you want 2 appearances? move the list to "List of recurring characters on The Simpsons" which actually exists and is itself arbitrary, as it does NOT list all recurring characters, but just the handful someone has chosen to be "recurring enough to be "regular recurring characters""). An image for every character will be severely beyond the scope of limiting the number of fair use images - just like in the WP music project they have forbidden discographies with album/single cover thumbnails as not justified as fair use (I don't think you can find a free-use image for every character).

I think the table is better sorted than most "List of" articles on wikipedia which just toss everyone in alphabetically. TheHYPO (talk) 05:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm against the "Credited from". It's one thing to list the first appearance, but listing last appearances leaves tonnes of potential for edit warring. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 18:37, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with just listing first appearance. Only a few characters have been officially retired - Maude, Phil Hartman's characters, Bleeding Gums Murphy and Lunchlady Doris are the only ones I can think of. Natalie (talk) 21:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Well here's an example of what it would look like here. Tell me what should be changed about it. .:Alex:. 21:17, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Looks good Alex....are they all going to be in the "new format" or just the ones that are in it, in your sandbox. I would assume they all will be, and that is just an example Ctjf83 ^talk 21:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, all the sections will be in table form. I just chose to do random sections in my sandbox that's all. .:Alex:. 18:59, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

This is a great idea, everything's perfect. We should get the renovations started soon, shouldn't we ? --Mr Alex (talk) 03:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Organization

After several rounds of discussion I have concluded that people prefer this list to be one giant list containing both recurring and one-time characters. This requires some better organization and I propose that we sort the list alphabetically by last name if possible. --Maitch 13:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm all for cleaning it up. We should start by removing all characters in less than 2 episodes. -- Scorpion 16:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, there seems to be a communication gap here. One-time characters or not? Other than that, I think alphabetical by last name is a great idea. Natalie 18:06, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

This may be quite a monumental task, but I think we should reference episodes for characters, also. It seems anyone could add a character to this list without it being detected. Any thoughts? --WillMak050389 18:15, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

The thing about sorting by last name is that many characters don't have last names. It wouldn't hurt to mention some of the more notable one-timers (Frank Grimes, etc), but then you open up the "if ____ is mentioned, so should _____". Let's leave it to characters who have made more than 2 appearances. Are we in agreement about the charts? -- Scorpion 18:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Update: I duplicated the page here and basically cut every character that was a one shot. After looking through it, it's kind of a shame to leave out notable one-timers (Grimes, Jacques, Mindy Simmons, Hank Scorpio, etc) but include others like Burns' goons, Corporal Punishment, etc because they appeared in 2 or more episodes. Perhaps we should throw in a couple one-timers. -- Scorpion 18:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Let's include the one-timers, but then we should limit the list to people with given names. We should sort by last name if possible, because families will be grouped together that way. If no last name is available it should be by the known name (e.g. Bumblebee man under B). --Maitch 23:24, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, we should limit the list to people that actually spoke in an episode. Currently, we have people on the list that we haven't even seen. --Maitch 23:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

WillMak, I'm not sure I entirely understand what you're asking. What do you want to reference specifically? Natalie 01:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I think we need a reqirement for each character on this list: add an episode for reference, just so it can be verified easily. A lot of characters have them, but we need it for each character listed, in my opinion. --WillMak050389 01:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Gotcha. That's what I thought, but I figured I'd double check. Sounds like a plan. Natalie 01:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

For the one-timers, let's limit it to the more important ones, otherwise, we'd just be duplicating the one-timers list. I'm going to get started on converting the list to tables, and you can find my saved work here. Others can feel free to help out where they wish. -- Scorpion 02:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking that maybe we should make a sortable table with a column for the first name and another for the last name. That way people can decide for themselves how they want it sorted. --Maitch 10:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I didn't even know you could make a sortable table. That's a great idea. Natalie 18:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

As we need to re-open this discussion:

We have Maitch's idea:

Last name	First name	Voiced by	First appearance	Description
Simpson	Homer	Dan Castellaneta	"Good Night"	father
Simpson	Marge	Julie Kavner	"Good Night"	mother

But there is the problem as to where to put the links to the character's page.

So we could have:

Name	Voiced by	First appearance	Description
Homer Simpson	Dan Castellaneta	"Good Night"	father
Marge Simpson	Julie Kavner	"Good Night"	mother

Which cures that problem, but I don't know which to use, if either. Also should we include full names like Selma Bouvier Terwilliger Hutz McClure Stu Simpson, or should we ust use the one they are most commonly refered to Selma Bouvier? Gran² 09:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I think we should go by their most commonly name, but I don't know what to do with the characters that are usually known by something else rather than their real name. An example is The Sea Captain whose real name is McAllister.--Maitch 13:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I think it varies, but its hard I mean Comic Book Guy is Comic Book Guy, everyone calls him that, but Jeff Albertson is his name, so its confusing as to what to put. Also having been building the list in my test area I think it is impractical to use the "First name"/"Last name" table, because there's no easy way to put in the links, and for characters like Groundskeeper Willie who haven't been given a surname/first name it just doesn't work. Gran² 13:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

We could perhaps do it like this: --Maitch 15:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Name	Common name	Voiced by	First appearance	Description
Simpson, Homer		Dan Castellaneta	"Good Night"	father
Simpson, Marge		Julie Kavner	"Good Night"	mother
Albertson, Jeff	Comic Book Guy	Hank Azaria	"Three Men and a Comic Book"	comic book store owner
McCallister, Horatio	The Sea Captain	Hank Azaria	"New Kid on the Block"	Sea Captain, Owner of the Frying Dutchman

Maybe we should also include the episode number, so that it would be easily sortable to find out who appeared first. We'd do it season, ep Number and the Ullman shorts would have a zero. ie.

Name	Common name	Voiced by	First appearance	Ep. #	Description
Simpson, Homer		Dan Castellaneta	"Good Night"	001	father
Simpson, Marge		Julie Kavner	"Good Night"	001	mother
Albertson, Jeff	Comic Book Guy	Hank Azaria	"Three Men and a Comic Book"	0321	comic book store owner
McCallister, Horatio	The Sea Captain	Hank Azaria	"New Kid on the Block"	0408	Sea Captain, Owner of the Frying Dutchman

Thoughts? -- Scorpion 15:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I was just thinking that. I think that the list should be default sorted by order of appearence. That way the most important characters (such as the main family) are on top. --Maitch 15:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I like it, great idea. Gran² 15:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the two cells should be merged, ie.

Name	Common name	Voiced by	First appearance	Description
Simpson, Homer		Dan Castellaneta	001 - "Good Night"	father
Simpson, Marge		Julie Kavner	001 - "Good Night"	mother
Albertson, Jeff	Comic Book Guy	Hank Azaria	0321 - "Three Men and a Comic Book"	comic book store owner
McCallister, Horatio	The Sea Captain	Hank Azaria	0408 - "New Kid on the Block"	Sea Captain, Owner of the Frying Dutchman

-- Scorpion 15:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I liked it the way it was before. It was filed by categories, such as the families, the elementary school, the nuclear power plant and Moe's tavern. The idea to be filed by appearances is great, but can we still have categories ? We can first of all file the families by appearances. About the other characters, before, they were filed by locations they mostly appeared, we can file the location by appearance, if possible. And with the table which Scorpion showed, the article would be perfect. Does anyone agree with me?

--Mr Alex (talk) 13:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

When does the renovation gets started ? --Mr Alex (talk) 02:57, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Mrs. Burns

Burns adresses his mother as "Mater"(sp?) while talking to her on the phone. Could that be her name or is that something people often call their mothers?ufossuck 03:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

It's Latin for "mother". Adam Bishop 06:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Dr. Marvin Monroe

Can't he be taken from the Death List since he has been shown to be living now? Tinkleheimer 20:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Info. on Hugo

This article requires information on Hugo Simpson. For some information on Hugo, see Treehouse of Horror VII and Bart Simpson. Superjustinbros. 00:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think Hugo should be included in the list as he is non-canonical in the series. 74.62.162.165 (talk) 18:07, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Movie Characters

Should we add movie characters like Russ Cargill, Colin, And Plopper(Spiderpig)? It was stated that Colin and plopper would be retroactevly added to season 19.1 wit da force 13:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)1 wit da force

Bleeding Gums Murphy (again)

Since the subject on BGM was a year ago, I have started this one: How is he a possible relative to Dr Hibbert? 58.168.108.11 04:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

In the episode "'Round Springfield" the relationship is hinted at:

Bleeding Gums: "I don't really have a family, all I had was a little brother who grew up to become a doctor. He used to laugh at the most inappropriate times."

Dr. Hibbert: "Hey I've got an older brother that I'll never see. He's a jazz musician or some such. Oh well, bye, bye." Ozzieboy 10:43, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Elizabeth "Lisa" Simpson?

I'm calling shanadigans on this. I have not been able to find any source that says that Elizabeth is Lisa's full name. Please correct me if I'm wrong. sohmc 12:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

You're correct, her full name is Lisa according to the Hall of Records scene in "Mother Simpson." --Rubber cat 06:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

C. Montgomery Burns

I cant remember the episode, or much about it, but it turned out the actual owner of the power plant was a canary named C. Montgomery Burns. I think this should be added under Power Plant. Grsz11 (talk) 02:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

My suggestions for sorting this list

--A--

Akira Ms. Albright Amber and Ginger Bob Arnold State Comptroller Atkins

--B--

Mary Bailey Rex Banner Jasper Beardley June Bellamy Belle Benjamin, Doug, and Gary Mr. Black Blue Haired Lawyer Cowboy Bob Patty Bouvier Jacqueline Bouvier Kent Brockman Don Brodka

--C--

The Capital City Goofball Russ Cargill Carl Carlson Superintendent Gary Chalmers Charlie Scott Christian Wally Cogan Corporal Punishment Faith Crowley

--D--

Declan Desmond Duffman

--F--

Maude Flanders Nedward Flanders Dr. Foster

--G--

Mrs. Glick Gloria Brad Goodman Frank Grimes Barney Gumble Gil Gunderson

--H--

Constance Harm Herman Bernice Hibbert Dr. Julius Hibbert Elizabeth Hoover Hollis Hurlbut Lionel Hutz

--J--

Jacques Snake Jailbird John Rachel Jordan

--K--

Karl Edna Krabappel Hyman Krustofski Cookie Kwan

--L--

Lyle Lanley Dewey Largo Jack Larson Lenny Leonard Leopold Helen Lovejoy Timothy Lovejoy Stacy Lovell Coach Lugash Lurleen Lumpkin Lunchlady Doris

--M--

Otto Mann Jack Marley Troy McClure Roger Meyers Hans Moleman Molloy

--N--

Lindsey Naegle Apu Nahasapeemapetilon Manjula Nahasapeemapetilon

--O--

Frank Ormand

--P--

MacArthur Parker Patches and Poor Violet Ray Patterson Lois Pennycandy Ruth Powers J. Loren Pryor Arnie Pye

--R--

Sideshow Raheem Renee The Rich Texan Luigi Risotto Dr. Nick Riviera

--S--

Hank Scorpio Dave Shutton Mindy Simmons Grampa Abraham Simpson Llewellyn Sinclair Agnes Skinner Seymour Skinner Sgt. Seymour Skinner Waylon Smithers Roy Snyder Jebediah Springfield Brandine Spuckler Cletus Spuckler Lucius Sweet Moe Szyslak

--T--

Drederick Tatum Captain Tennille Johnny Tightlips Tina Ballerina

--V--

Melvin Van Horne Kirk Van Houten Luann Van Houten Dr. Velimirovic Veterinarian

--W--

Wiseguy Rainier Wolfcastle

--Y--

Yes-guy

--Z--

Artie Ziff Zutroy Dr. Zweig

I suggest sorting this article in the style as the list above. Notice that characters are alphabetized by their last name. I included titles such as "Dr." and "State Comptroller", but such titles are not considered in the alphabetizing. Characters that go by their first name, such as Akira and Belle, are listed alphabetically by that name. Characters with descriptions like the Blue Haired Lawyer and Veterinarian, are listed aplhabeticllly by that name. Finally, notice that even though characters are listed by their last name, their names are presented in order-first name, then last name. Only characters with the same last names, such as Kirk and Luann Van Houten, is the first name considered in alphabetizing.

My one problem is whether characters with titles, such as Lunchlady Doris, should be listed by his or her title, or by the name that follows that title, meaning, should Lunchlady Doris be listed under "L" or "D"?Tj terrorible1 (talk)

That is a good idea, infact I was going to do it 2 days ago, but got too lazy from all the sorting work it would involve...but if you wanna do it, have at it! CTJF83Talk 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

What do you think of this? This is part of the list in alphabetical order. A-Dust (talk) 23:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

The list needs to be as presentable and easily-navigatable as possible. I think tables just make the list more unattractive (especially with the yellow) and cumbersome. If I'm someone looking at this article for the first time, I'd be turned off by the tables. I think we should just stick with the format used on the lower part of the page and ALPHABETIZE the characters. This way anyone looking for any character can find that character easily, like an index. Although we can still keep the families listed together.Tj terrorible1 (talk) 11:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Nelson's father

"Mr. Muntz (Phil Hartman), father, "Brother From the Same Planet", former kids soccer coach"

this is wrong. It is established in a later episode that his father left him when he went to go to the store (I can't remember the episode). The man in that episode is thus assumed to be his mother's boyfriend.58.174.177.151 (talk) 08:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

So why does Nelson say "thanks Dad"? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Apu's Cousin

Remember that episode where Homer was shipped to India and met up with Apu's Cousin,Cobby.I'm gonna add him to the list.--Ichozo (talk) 21:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

His name is Kavi and he is already on the list. --.:Alex:. 09:38, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Inanimate Carbon Rod?

What about the inanimate carbon rod that got 'Worker of the Week' before Homer Simpson in 'Homer the Smithers'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Officially Mr X (talk • contribs) 13:57, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

No, the Rod isn't a character and didn't do anything CTJF83Talk 17:19, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Colors

The colors on this page need a little work. The lead section mentions "light blue" and "pink" for  #F0F8FF  and  #FAEBD7 , respectively, but those aren't what the colors look like on my LCD monitor. The first is indistinguishable from white and the second is almost indistinguishable from the light yellow of the regular table rows. Might I suggest alternating white and light gray (say,  #E0E0E0 ) for the normal rows of the tables, and then  #DDDDFF  for deceased and  #FFDDDD  for retired? That way, the colored rows would be a lot more noticeable. Here's an example (using rows from various tables — I've also lightened the header row to  #FFEEBB ):

Character	Voice actor	Notes	First appearance
Homer Simpson	Dan Castellaneta	Main character. Husband of Marge and father of Bart, Lisa and Maggie, Homer works as a safety inspector at the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant.	"Good Night"
Marge Simpson	Julie Kavner	Main character. Wife of Homer and mother of Bart, Lisa and Maggie.	"Good Night"
Abraham "Grampa" Simpson	Dan Castellaneta	Father of Homer, Herbert and Abbie, brother of Cyrus, estranged husband of Mona Simpson and Amber Pigal-Simpson and ex-husband of Selma Bouvier. Grandfather of Bart, Lisa and Maggie.	"Grampa and the Kids"
Mona Simpson	Glenn Close	Mother of Homer and estranged wife of Abraham Simpson. Deceased.	"Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?"
Lionel Hutz	Phil Hartman	Lawyer and real estate agent. Character retired due to death of Phil Hartman.	"Bart Gets Hit by a Car"
Gil Gunderson	Dan Castellaneta	Incompetent lawyer and salesman.	"Realty Bites"

Comments? - dcljr (talk) 07:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I think both the current and proposed colours are ugly. I instead propose a scheme like in List of submissions for the 80th Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film and List of awards won by The Simpsons, which only colours one column. This would make it look like this:

Character	Voice actor	Notes	First appearance	Status
Homer Simpson	Dan Castellaneta	Main character. Husband of Marge and father of Bart, Lisa and Maggie, Homer works as a safety inspector at the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant.	"Good Night"	Active
Marge Simpson	Julie Kavner	Main character. Wife of Homer and mother of Bart, Lisa and Maggie.	"Good Night"	Active
Abraham "Grampa" Simpson	Dan Castellaneta	Father of Homer, Herbert and Abbie, brother of Cyrus, estranged husband of Mona Simpson and Amber Pigal-Simpson and ex-husband of Selma Bouvier. Grandfather of Bart, Lisa and Maggie.	"Grampa and the Kids"	Active
Mona Simpson	Glenn Close	Mother of Homer and estranged wife of Abraham Simpson. Deceased.	"Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?"	Deceased
Lionel Hutz	Phil Hartman	Lawyer and real estate agent. Character retired due to death of Phil Hartman.	"Bart Gets Hit by a Car"	Retired
Gil Gunderson	Dan Castellaneta	Incompetent lawyer and salesman.	"Realty Bites"	Active

I like Maitch's design best I think. Also, we probably need to put this into one single table. The sections of the list are messy and most characters can interchange between them. If we scrap the sections, make this table sortable, and list characters by first appearance then it'll be easy to understand. Also we need to scrap all of the background, mentioned and even one-time characters from the list completely. There is a separate list for the one-time characters, so there is no need to mention them here as well. We also do not have to include something on every single little character in the show, so there is no need to include background/mentioned/unnamed characters, they can be included on The Simpsons Wiki, but not here. Gran² 08:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the list would be better if it were sorted in order of appearence and made completely sortable. --Maitch (talk) 08:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

It would also eliminate this whole "incompleteness" if we only included characters who've made multiple appearances. It probably won't even achieve FL status (even if we add sources), but at least it'll be better than the current mess. I'll start by removing all of the one-times and then we can start to mock up the full tablified list somewhere. Gran² 08:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I also don't think we need a description of the characters. This list should link to a description, not be a description. --Maitch (talk) 09:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Gil

HE is dead it should be the color of deceased.he die in the season 19 --Shabe0mac 18:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)Shabe0mac

Uhh...which episode is that? CTJF83Talk 21:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I think they are referring to "I Don't Wanna Know Why the Caged Bird Sings" in which Gil is shot during a bank raid. However, there is no proof that Gil is dead. Gran² 21:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, now I remember...yes, no proof CTJF83Talk 21:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

But , even the guy that shot him says "Oh no now it is homicide"--Shabe0mac 17:20, 12 July 2008 (UTC)Shabe0mac —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shabe0mac (talk • contribs)

Ya, but he isn't a doctor, and Gil isn't officially dead CTJF83Talk 17:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Tough point to argue --Shabe0mac 22:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)Shabe0mac —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shabe0mac (talk • contribs)

New Format Suggestion

I am currently working on a new format of this article, which you can see a sample of below. This is the style I think this article should be formatted. As you can see, it is EASY TO READ (unlike the yellow tables), EASY TO NAVIGATE (characters are listed alphabetically), and REFERENCED. Let me know what you think. I can continue to work on this format and have it ready in about a month or so—including references is hard work—or together we can reformat this article to look like the below example. (I am aware that I don't have the books referenced.) Tj terrorible1 (talk)

I think we're probably going to go for the table proposed in the above section "colors". It would be one single table, organised by first appearance, and would not include any one-time/background characters. However, the inclusion of references would be a great idea. Your design is good, but I think sorting the characters in chronological order, and not including the minor ones would make the page alot better. Gran² 19:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, you—and I guess everyone else who works on this article—and I don't see eye to eye, because I believe tables are eye-straining. How can you not think that they are. Isn't "reduce eye-strain" a Wikipedia guideline. I can't imagine anyone coming to this article and not being turned off by the tables. And this article's title is "List of characters in The Simpsons"—not main characters, not recurring characters, but CHARACTERS, which implies all. I believe there needs to be one article on Wikipedia that list ALL Simpsons characters (at least, as many as possible). It's not about grouping characters or whatever. It's about being able to FIND INFORMATION ON A CHARACTER, EASILY, and if you or anyone else thinks people are going to attempt to go through this article to find a character, well... Tj terrorible1 (talk)

I'm a toss up on which. I like the neatness and clean look to the table, but the one below is easier to read....so persuade me one way! CTJF83Talk 19:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the second table in the "Colors" section can be described as eye-straining. The upside of using a table is also that you can make it sortable, so there is no need to argue over the order. --Maitch (talk) 10:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, per WP:FICTION, there does not need to be a list of every single character in The Simpsons. Unnamed, minor, background characters like "Ad Execs" are not notable. That is trivial information that belongs on a fansite, not an encyclopedia. By restricting the list to characters who have made more than one (or two) appearances, with multiple lines, it would enable this list to have some level of completeness. Wikipedia is not designed for Simpsons fans. Gran² 10:54, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

It's not designed for Simpsons fans (which I agree) yet characters are color-coded depending on alive/dead/retired. How is that any less trivial and, moreover, who cares? Also, I can't find a single other article that lists fictional characters (of novels, plays, TV shows, or otherwise) using a table. What bugs me, I guess, is that the tables are yellow. Why can't they just be white? And you say no minor characters such as the Ad Execs, yet you have the following characters listed in this article: Hugo Simpson, Jose Flanders, Gummy Sue, Lily Bancroft, and Svetlana. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.85.228.129 (talk) 16:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Hugo Simpson was the focus of a plot in a Treehouse of Horror episode. Characters that appear only once that have an entire episode or segment plot that revolves around them should be included. The whole reason so many characters are listed, is because we have List of recurring characters in The Simpsons and List of one-time characters in The Simpsons. Those lists have sections, while this one is merely a complete listing. Listing only major characters would make this list completely obsolete, as it is almost entirely covered on other articles or lists. The table is also based on List of Prison Break characters. The colours were chosen to fit in with the list of couch gags. --.:Alex:. 21:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

A

Ad Execs. (Hank Azaria and Harry Shearer). "The Last Temptation of Krust." Advertising executives.

Akira. (George Takei, Hank Azaria). "One Fish, Two Fish, Blowfish, Blue Fish." Waiter at The Happy Sumo.

Amadopolis, Aristotle. (Jon Lovitz, Dan Castellaneta). "Homer Defined." Owner of the Shelbyville Nuclear Power Plant.

Amber and Ginger. (Pamela Hayden and Tress MacNeille). "Viva Ned Flanders." Waitresses at Nero’s Palace.

Amendment, The. (Jack Sheldon). "The Day the Violence Died." Cartoon amendment in “Amendment to Be” short.

Apollo, Smooth Jimmy. (Phil Hartman). "Lisa the Greek." TV football forecaster.

Apu's Mother. (Andrea Martin). "The Two Mrs. Nahasapeemapetilons." Mother of Apu Nahasapeemapetilon.

Arnold, Congressman Bob. (Hank Azaria). "Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington." Ex-Representative of Springfield's state.

Atkins, State Comptroller. (Harry Shearer). "Lisa Gets an 'A'." State comptroller.

For those of you who insist this article be tabled

Wikipedia states:

Many times, a list is best left as a list. Some articles include very long lists which might be difficult to edit if they were in table form. Before you format a list in table form, consider whether the information will be more clearly conveyed by virtue of having rows and columns. If so, then a table is probably a good choice. If there is no obvious benefit to having rows and columns, then a table is probably not the best choice.

Tables should not be used simply for layout, either.

Long lists can be hard to maintain if they are inside a table, and simple lists do not need the row-and-column format that a table provides.198.85.228.129 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The obvious benefit is that the list would be sortable. --Maitch (talk) 07:34, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

And to be fair, if we go with the already discussed inclusion criteria, we wouldn't really need to edit it very often. Gran² 08:29, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

WHAT INCLUSION CRITERIA? See, this is what I don't understand. You say no "minor" characters such as the Ad Execs, but you have Hugo Simpson listed in this article. Then you say he's okay because he was central to a plot but I can name DOZENS of characters that were central to plots that aren't listed in this article. This is the point I'm trying to make: This article's purpose/title is TOO BROAD to have a criteria. Your excuses are just one contradiction after the other.

Also, this is The Simpsons we're talking about. Sure, if this were any other list of characters, you could use a table. But as many Simpsons characters that there are (hundreds) and as many new characters that are introduced each season (dozens), a list would be difficult to edit. I look at the tables in this article and they are TACKY. Each table has a column wider than the others, and then you have problems such as Maggie's row.

Look at Characters of Lost. Now there's a list you can be proud of!198.85.228.129 (talk) 18:54, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Look, we get that you don't like tables, and you disagree with what others are saying, but you don't have to keep using capital letters to get your point across (also see WP:CIVIL). Also, I don't understand what you are talking about. I have never said we should include Hugo because he is central to the plot, I've only said we shouldn't include one time characters. This is a prefectly viable inclusion criteria, and as I have said, it would not include hundreds of characters, and would not require new additions very often (if ever). Please see WP:FICTION, minor characters are not notable, and do not need to be mentioned. They belong on a fansite, not an encyclopedia. Also, as we have said several times, we don't plan to use the tables in this article, we plan to use the new ones shown above. Gran² 19:08, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused by your (referring to the IPs) arguments. You say we shouldn't use tables and that we need to include more characters. However, the very next line you say Characters of Lost, which uses tables and only includes characters with more than one appearance, is a much better article. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

When will the new tables be put up

Because if they are not put up soon, I'm going to change the article myself.198.85.228.129 (talk) 17:31, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

No one is stopping you from editing the article. I'll probably get around to adding the new tables, and removing all minor/one-time characters by the end of the weekend, but if you want to do it, then that'd be great. Gran² 17:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

When I say "edit" the article, I mean drastically, into a completely new format.198.85.228.129 (talk) 21:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean this table format, or what format? CTJF83Talk 22:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

The Hibbert Family

In the episode where Homer finds out that he has a long lost twin named Herb he meets Dr. Hibbert's long lost brother who is ironically the councilor at the orphanage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.87.139 (talk) 22:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Ya? But like Abbie, Homer's "possible" sister, unless it is 100% confirmed, we don't list it CTJF83Talk 23:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

How do you 100% corfirm something? You could watch that episode. The title eludes me now, but I'm 100% certain that my preceeding comment is true. As for Homer's sister, I've never heard that. Also, Bleedding Gums Murphy is another of Doctor Hibbert's brothers. Watch the episode where Bleeding Gums dies. It's in the sixth season. I think it's called "Round Spingfield!" 67.173.87.139 (talk) 01:39, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

You 100% confirm something by the character actually finding out that they are their sibling, not that he has a long lost brother, and then showing a person who is most likely his brother. They probably are brothers, but saying so, with out 100% evidence is Original Research and we don't add that. CTJF83Talk 05:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Why where the one-time characters deleted?

If you ask me, the List of one-time characters in The Simpsons article is unnecessary. As persons have pointed out before, there is nothing there about the characters that you can't learn by simply reading the episode articles. (And the last time that article was submitted for deletion, it ended in no consensus.) I think we should just list all the one-time characters in this article, by season, with just their voice actor, the episode in which they appeared, and a brief description of the character—that is enough. I feel this should be the central character article, where we list the main, supporting, and recurring characters, and those one-time characters that were central to an episode's plot.Tj terrorible1 (talk) 16:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I totally agree Tj! 67.173.87.139 (talk) 01:40, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

At least there's a place where one-timers are mentioned. Most character pages just include recurring characters (such as Characters of Lost). Besides, there are so many one-timers that this page would become too long very quick. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:14, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't like the way this article is organized

It's more like a fan site, if you ask me. Characters listed by "Springfield Nuclear Power Plant," "Springfield Elementary School," "Criminals," etc. We need a more encyclopedic organization for this list. Something like "Main characters," "Supporting characters," "Recurring characters," and "One-time characters" (that were central to a plot, mind you). If a character doesn't fall into one of those categories, then they don't belong on this list.Tj terrorible1 (talk) 16:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't oppose a resorting of the list, but I do strongly oppose your idea. It would lead to a lot of editors switching characters around between categories and possible edit warring. At least the present system is simple and NPOV. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Merge?

I think that this article and List of recurring characters in The Simpsons could be merged. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 00:59, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

New format suggestion

This is just an example—this exact table and these exact colors don't have to be used, but notice that characters are listed alphabetically; the Gremlin, a Halloween character, is color-coded; and Arnie Gumble, a deceased character, has his own color-code.

A

Character	Voice actor(s)	Description	First appearance
Akira	George Takei, Hank Azaria	Waiter at The Happy Sumo.	"One Fish, Two Fish, Blowfish, Blue Fish"
Amadopolis, Aristotle	Jon Lovitz, Dan Castellaneta	Owner of the Shelbyville Nuclear Power Plant.	"Homer Defined"

G

Character	Voice actor(s)	Description	First appearance
Goodman, Brad	Albert Brooks	Self-help guru.	"Bart's Inner Child"
Gremlin	Dan Castellaneta	Gremlin.	"Treehouse of Horror IV"
Gumble, Arnie	Dan Castellaneta	Father of Barney Gumble; Soldier, U.S. Army.	"Raging Abe Simpson and His Grumbling Grandson in 'The Curse of the Flying Hellfish'"

References

• Richmond, Ray; Antonia Coffman (1997). The Simpsons: A Complete Guide to Our Favorite Family. Harper Collins Publishers.

Notes

Tj terrorible1 (talk) 17:10, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments

I wouldn't be against alphabetical sorting, but I am against including every single character that has ever been in the show (it should be more than one-timers) and I am also against colour coding. Maybe we could have colours for deceased characters, but we shouldn't have a different colour for every row, it would make adding rows to the table immensely difficult. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 18:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

First, your opinion that one-time characters should not be listed is not a neutral point of view. Second, no one expects us to list every single character in the history of the series, but one-time characters that are central to an episode's plot should be listed here. I think the List of one-time characters in The Simpsons should be demolished, and this list expanded into three separate list ("A-I," "H-R," "S-Z," whatever) and characters listed alphabetically. And I think Halloween characters should be color-coded so as not to mislead readers, for example, to distinguish Hugo from the rest of the Simpsons.Tj terrorible1 (talk) 18:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

If we did that, this list would be enormous, so per WP:LENGTH, it's split up. And I'm also against having three different main character lists, that minimalizes the usefulness of it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 18:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

No, it doesn't minimal-ize the usefulness of it. If you have so many characters the list has to be split into three, that says just the opposite, that the list is useful. As a reader, i'd rather have a comprehensive 3-part list than a compressed solo-list. This is The Simpsons. We are not fooling anyone with this so-called "List of characters in The Simpsons."Tj terrorible1 (talk) 19:09, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

It's not compressed though. It contains a lot of characters that appeared in more than one episode (and despite what you say, it does still have some one-timers), while the one-timers list has minor characters. Wikipedia is not meant to be a fansite, anyone who wants every single character that has ever appeared should go to SNPP or the Simpsons wiki, not here. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:33, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I am not saying that every character be listed, just to include more one-time characters. Only listing "some" one-timers is POV—why should you get to decide which one-timers belong and which do not, or which characters belong all together?Tj terrorible1 (talk) 14:38, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, good idea. Let's limit it to recurring characters and leave the one-timers to their page. Thanks for the suggestion. And to turn your argument around, who determines what makes a one-timer notable for inclusion? Why should the page include Frank Grimes over someone like Handsome Pete, Sideshow Raheem or Pops Freshenmeyer when they've all been in an equal number of episodes? Limiting it to two+ episodes at least gives us a NPOV guideline to go from. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we should include Rainer Wolfcastle's daughter Greta? And if this is not to be the definitive list of every Simpsons character then what is?98.247.112.6 (talk) 08:31, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

This list is main characters only. Gretta can be found at List_of_one-time_characters_in_The_Simpsons#Season_13 CTJF83Talk 08:41, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Better format

This format isn't any good, hardly seen charachters are on the same list as major charachters. This page should be a guide for who is new to the serie and want's to learn about the charachters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.10.85.218 (talk) 17:06, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, perhaps we should bold major characters? CTJF83Talk 17:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Who do you define as "major"? Anyway, the table is perfectly fine in my view. No POV issues at all. Some form of episode number should be used in the first appearances column, so you can sort the characters in order of appearance. Gran² 17:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

episode

the episode entry should begin with the number of the episode when the character first appeared - sorting would make much more sense then. Nergaal (talk) 17:21, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if you intended this

but Ozmodiar, Homer's shoulder alien is missing from the list.

Yes it is intended, he is a very minor character who only appeared for a few seconds. CTJF83Talk 08:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Missing Dad?

I'm ignorant; don't have a TV. But is it true that Homer has a father named Abe? Why isn't he listed in the article? He is mentioned re: Mona. Mrnatural (talk) 19:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops! A reference elsewhere to "Grandpa" led me to Find "Grandpa Abraham Simpson". An extremely peripheral character, apparently. Still, an explicit reference to the diminutive "Abe" would have been helpful, if it's authentic (especially since it isn't a properly searchable substring of "Abraham"). Mrnatural (talk) 19:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Drederick Tatum

His first appearance was not Flaming Moes. He was in Homer vs. Lisa and the 8th Commandment. 24.64.165.129 (talk) 00:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Freckled Crackling Voice Teenager

I can not remember his name, but there is a freckled teenager that has his voice cracking that seems to be missing from the list. He worked at a few places I believe, including Krusty Burger and the Springfield Googleplex. 67.187.51.45 (talk) 03:46, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Frank Grimes aka Grimy

Am I missing him? He and his son seem to be missing from this list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.72.37.71 (talk) 07:54, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

They are both only one time characters and are on List of one-time characters in The Simpsons CTJF83 chat 08:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

'Full' names

I've added in the full name of Krusty the Clown and appended Joe Quimby's "Diamond" nickname. I hope this isn't seen as overly picky. Feel free to revert if necessary. A quick, wider search will reveal several other fuller names, for instance Mayor Quimby's 'official' name is given as 'Joseph Fitzgerald O'Malley Fitzpatrick O'Donnell The Edge "Joe" Quimby', but I thought that was perhaps a bit much for this list! Careful With That Axe, Eugene ^Hello... 21:45, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Gavin and "mom" (?)

There is a kid called Gavin who appears in a few episodes (Lisa Gets an "A" and at least one other episode) with his mother, neither of whom appear on the list. He is a spolit little wretch with a mullet/ponytail thing who keeps telling his visor-wearing mother to shut up. I would add them to the page myself but I'm not sure if they qualify for this list and I don't know anything about them beyond these vague descriptions. Keresaspa (talk) 17:59, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

This list is for major recurring characters only. CTJF83 chat 18:27, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, although that makes me wonder why Space Mutants and Sideshow Rahiem are included. Keresaspa (talk) 18:40, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Table has moved!

Dammit. Tried to fix a wikilink and re-sort to accommodate a new entry and the entire table has shifted! Can anyone help fix this? I'm not skilled with tables. Careful With That Axe, Eugene ^Hello... 09:59, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok, some helpful person at Helpdesk reverted my edits thus fixing the table. I have re-corrected the wikilink but can someone who knows what they're doing move Hugo Simpson from the end of the table to its correct place between Amber Simpson & Mona Simpson? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Careful With That Axe, Eugene (talk • contribs) 10:36, 5 November 2010 (UTC)