Talk:List of adult animated television series

Flinstones, Fish Police, Jetsons, Spider-Man, Corner Gas Animated etc...

Why are these on the list? Children and families watch them and there's no explicit sex or gore? Tons of cartoons have episodes with heavy themes and they are never labelled as "adult".

My grandparents watched Jetsons and Flinstones as children. Fish Police is not an adult cartoon just because Angel has big breasts.

Spider-Man is no more violent than your average Marvel movie or show.

Corner Gas is not violent or sexual at all.

These are all aimed at families, and are not adult cartoons unless they have been confirmed by someone working on the show/movie to be aimed at adults. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamcool34234 (talk • contribs) 02:40, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

@Iamcool34234, I'm not sure about the Jetsons, but The Flintstones has been considered an adult animation, with the same with Fish Police, Spider-Man: The New Animated Series, and Corner Gas. I'd remind you of how the adult animation page defines the term, with the sources on that [age:

Adult animation is typically defined as animation which skews toward adults. It is also described as something that "formative youths should stay far, far away from" or has adult humor and comes in various styles, but especially sitcoms and comedies. Some have stated that it refers to animations with "adult themes and situations," which uses "explicit language" and make jokes that adults, and occasionally teens, are "more likely to understand" than others. Such animations often run in the evening, but they are not pornographic or dirty, but rather just called adult as they are "overall directed toward an older age group." These animations can also "appeal to wide swaths of viewers," including those aged 18-34. AdWeek called adult animation "animated projects aimed at grown-ups, not kids." They also focus on issues that adults handle, and have cheeky, and occasionally crass, humor "that has no limits—bouncing between funny and offensive," while evoking a "balance of reality and fantasy." Others stated these animations that something is only a comedy where "the violence is bloody, the dialogue is raunchy, and the intimacy is filthy."

I would say that just because a cartoon is "aimed at families," does mean that it is not an adult animation (I mean The Simpsons could be said to aim at families, along with Family Guy, and both are solidly adult animations), and would add that the show does not need to be "confirmed by someone working on the show/movie to be aimed at adults," although that would help (and usually the creators do so). If a reviewer says it is an adult animation, that is sufficient enough for me, honestly. Even so, there may be some in there that are incorrectly listed, and if so, feel free to list them here and I'd be happy to discuss them here. Historyday01 (talk) 04:32, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

How should we be differentiating between "television series" and "internet series"?

I was going to do an WP:RFC on this, but I wanted to start with you all first, to figure out how we should separate those on this page from those on the List of adult animated internet series. Obviously, shows on networks like ABC, NBC, FOX, and Comedy Central are considered television shows. In the past, users on WikiProject Television have asserted that Netflix series are considered TV series because "they are created and produced in a manner reflecting how traditional television is put together" and that since we can "stream" it on our TVs rather than only on our computers, it is, in a sense, a "TV series". Others have said that that while broadcast isn't the right term and have mentioned a Netflix TV series. Additionally, some have implied that shows on Hulu, DCU, and YouTube are TV series, while including them in show templates. At first some said that the term "web television" should stop being used in place of streaming television, despite the awkwardness of that term, then others said that "web series are generally older (say, mostly the 2005–2015 period), tend to run shorter (e.g. 5–15 minute episodes), and tend to be put out by places like web sites, or "free" services like YouTube, not from "streamers" like Netflix, Prime and Hulu," with streamers putting out "30- and 60-minute episode TV series that would not generally be called "web series"" Now, the web series page says that online portals such as MSN Video, YouTube, Revver, and the Rooster Teeth website, should be considered web series, which would put them in the "internet series" page. However, the streaming television page lists streaming platform Hulu, MyTV, and others, while the web television page noted platforms like Disney+, Amazon Video, iTunes, MySpace, The WB, Crackle, Newgrounds, and Roku as falling into the TV category, apparently. Despite this mess of pages, let us take into account how the television show defines the term:

A television show – or simply TV show – is any content produced for viewing on a television set which can be broadcast via over-the-air, satellite, cable, - excluding breaking news, advertisements, or trailers that are typically placed between shows. Television shows are most often scheduled for broadcast well ahead of time and appear on electronic guides or other TV listings, but **streaming services often make them available for viewing anytime.** The content in a television show can be produced with different methodologies such as taped variety shows emanating from a television studio stage, animation or a variety of film productions ranging from movies to series. Shows not produced on a television studio stage are usually contracted or licenced to be made by appropriate production companies.

There are so many streaming platforms and various shows released on the internet, I'd like your thoughts on this, so we can clearly delineate the differences between the types of series, coming to some sort of consensus. I think some of those on the List of adult animated internet series are straight-forward and clearly not animated series, but others are not and may need to be added into this page. So @Alphius, Mable, Argento Surfer, SummerPhDv2.0, and Dpm12:, since you commented on the talk page back in the day and offered some constructive comments there, I thought you could give your thoughts here on this and any other possible changes you'd like to see to the page. The same applies to editors of the main page who edited it in 2020 like @Mcnickleguy57, Alexjjj, MrPersonHumanGuy, CartoonnewsCP, JordanPowers95, Smokeykaraoke, and JohnFranko 275:. Others can join in if they'd like, too. Historyday01 (talk) 06:30, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I'd say streaming means TV series. CartoonnewsCP (talk) 06:53, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, @CartoonnewsCP: that was my thought too. I mean the next step would be move over some of those entries to the main page here. Doing a review of the entries on the page, here's how they are categorized in the lead section of their respective articles:

• web series/web show (Happy Tree Friends, The Adventures of Baxter and McGuire, Eddsworld, Masyanya, Seth MacFarlane's Cavalcade of Cartoon Comedy, Waterman (web series), Constantine: City of Demons, The Cyanide & Happiness Show, Dick Figures, Freedom Fighters: The Ray, Gen:Lock, Justice League: Gods and Monsters Chronicles, King Star King, Krogzilla, RWBY, RWBY Chibi, SuperFuckers, Vixen (web series), Deathstroke: Knights & Dragons, Song Machine)
• flash cartoon (The God & Devil Show, The Goddamn George Liquor Program, Hard Drinkin' Lincoln, Xiao Xiao, Zombie College)
• web television (Red vs. Blue, Dallas & Robo, Hazbin Hotel, Helluva Boss, Human Kind Of, Liverspots and Astronots, Paranormal Action Squad, Transformers: Combiner Wars, Mr. Wong (web series) (called "internet television"))
• animated series (Bravest Warriors, The Adventures of OG Sherlock Kush)
• animated sitcom (House of Cosbys, Ginger Snaps (TV series))
• internet cartoon (Weekend Pussy Hunt)
• sci-fi tv series (Afterworld (web series))
• animated miniseries (The Adventures of Edward the Less)
• animated tv series (G.I. Joe: Resolute)
• computer-animated series (Planet Unicorn
• streaming television (Onyx Equinox)
• short-form comedy series (Camp WWE)
• TV show (HarmonQuest)
• animated shorts (Too Cool! Cartoons)
• none listed (Camp Camp, Pregame Prognostifications from the Pigskin Wyzzard)

Well, this is clearly a bit of a mess.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Historyday01 (talk • contribs)

That's so many tbh. Sitcom means situational comedy that follows overarching characters, so unless it's sketch, it's basically animated sitcom. The only way its not if its like an adventure series like Primal or Blood of Zeus which are not comedies. CartoonnewsCP (talk) 21:13, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Exactly. Yeah it is a lot and they are all over the place in terms of categorization, which makes it a mess. You are right that series like Primal and Blood of Zeus are definitely not comedies, and without a doubt both are adult animated TV series, as Primal aired on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim programming block and Blood of Zeus streamed on Netflix. Historyday01 (talk) 00:56, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

(I still don't understand what exactly qualifies as "adult animation", but) maybe you should rename that article List of animated Web series, rather than using the broad and vague "internet"? Netflix is much more prominently an app than a web service, I believe. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 19:28, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Maplestrip/Mable, that could work. But, yeah, I do agree that internet is broad and vague. I'd definitely be willing to rename the page to that, perhaps with "Web" being lowercase, rather than uppercase, so it would be List of animated web series. However, web series is pretty broad, and there is already an unsourced List of web television series page (many of those should be on another page, like the main page of this article), but I'd accept changing it to List of adult animated web series, while noting what are considered "TV series" and what are considered "web series," which is why I proposed this discussion in the first place. Again, here's the definition for adult animation I came up with on the adult animation page, if that helps

Adult animation is typically defined as animation which skews toward adults. It is also described as something that "formative youths should stay far, far away from" or has adult humor and comes in various styles, but especially sitcoms and comedies. Some have stated that it refers to animations with "adult themes and situations," which uses "explicit language" and make jokes that adults, and occasionally teens, are "more likely to understand" than others. Such animations often run in the evening, but they are not pornographic or dirty, but rather just called adult as they are "overall directed toward an older age group." These animations can also "appeal to wide swaths of viewers," including those aged 18-34. AdWeek called adult animation "animated projects aimed at grown-ups, not kids." They also focus on issues that adults handle, and have cheeky, and occasionally crass, humor "that has no limits—bouncing between funny and offensive," while evoking a "balance of reality and fantasy." Others stated these animations that something is only a comedy where "the violence is bloody, the dialogue is raunchy, and the intimacy is filthy."

This definition probably needs some refinement, but I think it is better than what was there before, which was nothing. Thanks for your comments on this. I hope this discussion goes onward.Historyday01 (talk) 20:13, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, Maplestrip/Mable, I renamed the page based on your suggestion. Historyday01 (talk) 20:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

i'd like to start by saying overall I like what you have done on these pages @Historyday01:. What I don't understand is why you removed some of the series listed like Harley Quinn and Stevie and Zoya as all you say are things like "removed Stevie and Zoya for now, as I really can find almost on it." which I don't understand. anyway, in response to your question about what show should go on what list, I think you have figured it out on your own from what I can see. what I want to say is...

I think that the List of adult animated web series page should have a better definition written for it. The differences between web and television are more nuanced than what's written on the page currently. The reason for this is it's hard to currently differentiate as they cover the same subject matter just using different development and distribution methods.

For an uninformed individual who watched an adult animated web series on a streaming platform, they would assume it's just another TV program. this is a very real possibility, for instance, I can stream seasons 14 and 15 of Red vs. Blue and the first four seasons of RWBY on prime video here in Canada. To make matters worse web series are also distributed physically as well the two aforementioned series are available on DVD and Blue-ray. Frankly, these facts make the distinction between the two lists thin at best, the only reason why I would advocate the separation between the two lists is that they do use different development and distribution models.

Moving on I want to mention that I think you should add the distinction that adult cartoons on these lists are referring to western animation and shouldn't include works from Asian nations namely Japanese, Chinese, or Korean as adult-oriented animation is much more common in those nations. For instance, there are 97 adult Female and 835 Adult Male oriented Anime in japan alone.

Another thing to mention is eastern animation doesn't fix the general nature of this list namely your aforementioned definition up above. the good news is that this statement is still on the Web page but your first edit to the television page removed it there.

Speaking of your aforementioned definition that definition only fits when it comes to western animation and mainly North American and British animation at that. I suggest you state that fact on the page you wrote it on Adult animation.

I don't know what else you may want to add to the list of adult animation web series but hopefully, this would be enough to get you going in the right direction. I think you will do great just by looking at your prior work.ATCkit (talk) 09:28, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

ATCkit, thanks for saying that. I removed Harley Quinn because I'd argue it falls into the streaming television category, as HBO Max is a streaming television platform. Actually, I think Stevie and Zoya could be re-added, so I'm re-assessing that. I definitely agree with you that the differences between web series and television (specifically streaming TV) are tough to distinguish at this current time. In fact, currently, the current streaming TV page says:

The use of streaming online video and streaming television is concentrated on streaming video on demand platforms such as Netflix, Hulu, Prime Video, Peacock, Disney+, Apple TV+, Paramount+, YouTube Premium, Google TV, and YouTube TV.

I would argue that if a series that is on a streaming platform it is not a web series, but a series on a site like RoosterTeeth (or just a series on YouTube like Helluva Boss) is a web series. I think that if the number of streaming platforms is clearly laid out, then there would be no confusing it with web series. I can agree that adding a distinction that the page is only referring to Western animation but not China, Japan, Korea, and other Asian nations would be worth mentioning. --Historyday01 (talk) 13:24, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

First of all, I want to apologize to you @Historyday01: for the very late reply, long story short IRL stuff got in the way. what you have written above makes a lot of sense to me and I agree with it in its entirety, it did a great job addressing my concerns. I think your proposal of splitting the content from adult animated streaming TV shows would also help address my concerns above, so that also helps. overall all I have to say is great work!ATCkit (talk) 11:32, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Great! Yeah, I think splitting off the adult animated streaming shows makes sense. Of course, it will not solve the problems with the size of the article, but it will be a start at least. Also, it will make it easier, when a new adult animated streaming show comes out, to add it there, rather than trying to figure out if it should fit into this television series page. Historyday01 (talk) 13:00, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Should Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt be included On this list?

Before I start I know that me arguing for the inclusion of this anime is ironic considering I just wrote we shouldn't include anime on this list above in the "How should we be differentiating between "television series" and "internet series"?" conversation. just hear me out.

I believe an exception should be made for this anime as it was intentionally made to imitate western adult cartoons. you can see this on its Wikipedia page under Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt#Development.

To further my case when the Reddit anime community was asked Are there any Anime Series inspired by Western Cartoons? they immediately responded making Panty and Stockings with Garterbelt the comment with the most upvote comment with 187 votes. it's clearly known and associated with western animation. what do you guys (mostly @Historyday01:)think? should we include it?ATCkit (talk) 10:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I mean, I think if we are only including Western animations, I think it could muddy the waters to include it, but that's just my view of it. Although, ATCkit, I think that it could be included on a page titled something like List of adult anime series or something like that. Historyday01 (talk) 14:18, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough, no exception it is then. to your response about maybe making a page for adult anime, all I have to say is I don't think that is practical, there are databases like Myanimelist dedicated to the categorization of anime already. To go about making a page just for adult anime series is redundant and wouldn't be productive unlike what we have here, where there are no pre-existing comprehensive lists for Adult animated series. (In fact, when I searched for other comprehensive lists they all are clearly stolen from this page and posted to Fanon wiki's (ideaswikiandJHwiki) for some reason).

As I mentioned above there are 97 adult Female and 835 Adult Male oriented Anime in japan alone. To attempt to make a list for it is just too much. another reason why I don't think it would be worthwhile is that the community effort needed for its upkeep, never mind development are non-existent, again because there are pre-existing DB sites. This fact is epitomized by pages like the List of comedy anime where you have 57~ anime listed when there are 6104 listed on myanimelist, the number discrepancy isn't even the worse issue on the page just the most apparent.

Finally, the last reason why the list would be redundant is that the age of the target demography means little in the way of actual content, unlike western animation, which for the longest time being associated with Shock Comedy and other forms of adult humour, more or less making it a genre in of itself.ATCkit (talk) 11:32, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm not at all surprised that a list of adult anime series is just stolen from this list. It would be a lot of work to make a list for it as well. What you are saying makes sense. Historyday01 (talk) 13:00, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Proposed split of content from adult animated streaming TV shows

I found out recently, by adding sectionsizes for this page, that this page, at its current length, violates WP:SIZESPLIT. So, as a first step to remedying that, and per WP:SPINOUT, WP:SIZERULE, and Wikipedia:Content forking#List formats, I'd like to propose a split of all the content from adult animated streaming TV shows onto a new page, titled List of adult animated streaming television series. If that page name is too long, I'm willing to consider List of adult animated streaming series instead. As WP:HASTE makes clear, there is no reason to hastily do this, so I'm starting a discussion for this here, will continue until there is a consensus. Anyway, this split would also fall under WP:CONSPLIT in terms of a similar title to this article. Here is how streaming television shows are currently defined for your reference:

Streaming television is the digital distribution of television content, such as TV shows, as streaming media delivered over the Internet. Streaming TV stands in contrast to dedicated terrestrial television delivered by over-the-air aerial systems, cable television, and/or satellite television systems. The use of streaming online video and streaming television is concentrated on streaming video on demand platforms such as Netflix, Hulu, Prime Video, HBO Max, Peacock, Disney+, Apple TV+, and Paramount+.

Here is a draft page I've come up with, which is 68,191 bytes or 68 kB, lowering this page to 163,719 bytes (or 163 kB). This would move the page closer to apoint of making sure it doesn't violate WP:SIZESPLIT, which says that pages above 100kB/100,000 chars "almost certainly should be divided." This page, if the content was spun-off, would only focus on shows on broadcast TV, not on streaming platforms. With that, I look forward to hearing from you all on this idea and other ideas on how to reduce the size of this page, whether through other proposed splits or something else entirely. Thanks. Historyday01 (talk) 16:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I see no reason not to split off adult animation distributed by streaming onto its own list. I'm in favour of naming the page List of adult animated streaming series as I believe it to be more concise and more accurate to the nature of the list as described above. one point I want to make is we should modify the definition you have given above and add it to the page to avoid confusion on what is considered a web series and what is a streaming series, I would also suggest adding the list of streaming services and the statement that youtube and newground are excluded for the reasons you stated in our earlier conversation. "I think that if the number of streaming platforms is clearly laid out, then there would be no confusing it with web series."

To answer your question about how we should further reduce the page, I gave it some thought and I think the easiest way to go about it is to either split the page up by date of publication or by the origin of the program. I did think we could divide it by content based on its type of humour seeing as the majority of the shows are comedies, but I quickly realized that that option would be too subjective and hard to implement. Not to mention comedy is a spectrum and one show may have many colours. I also considered dividing non-comedies from comedies but realized that wouldn't work for the aforementioned imbalance, it may work but I don't think it would be worth it in the end because the comedy list that is left would quickly become oversized in the next couple of years with this recent on slot of adult animation.

To sum up, your best option is to go with splitting the list by date option in my opinion, I'm keen to find out what the "something else entirely" option would look like though.ATCkit (talk) 12:44, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

References

I also agree, the name would be more concise, and accurate. I'd be willing to modify the definition for sure, to make sure people don't confuse it with web series. I think splitting it by date is a good idea too, especially since it has been done with other pages, like the List of animated series with LGBTQ characters page and those that split from it, although those were subdivided into pages for specific years (2010-2014, 2015-2019 for instance), but I think dividing it by decades would be a good idea, for sure. Historyday01 (talk) 13:00, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

I think it best date as well we could do the following

List of adult animated television series before 1990

List of adult animated television series of the 1990s

List of adult animated television series of the 2000s

List of adult animated television series of the 2010s

List of adult animated television series of the 2020s

Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 09:33, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

I'd be willing to go with that subdivision, sure. Historyday01 (talk) 16:19, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Is there any Asian shows we could added to these pages Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 13:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

I think there would be too many to add for one, and secondly, it says on the opening to this page, "This page does not include adult-oriented animations from Japan, China, South Korea, and other Asian nations, as such animations are more common there." Historyday01 (talk) 14:57, 13 May 2021 (UTC)