Talk:List of asanas/Archive 1

Archive 1

this talk page, tidy-up

(...the following moved from above the contents box, etc.)Trev M (talk) 02:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

why are there two translations as 'half lord of the fishes'

are there any good GFDL pictures of these postures?

web references

I have rv'd some of the external links removed by fvw. It seems odd that this editor removes web references while leaving print references untouched. This is a web-based encyclopedia, after all, and some of the best current work on yoga postures is web-based, not print based. If editor fvw wishes to remove certain specific external links s/he should provide particulars explaining the action. --Nemonoman 07:03, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

(...long list of links to asanas hidden - see List_of_yoga_postures page or the edit box...) Trev M (talk) 02:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Asanas

Gheranda Samhita describes 32 asanas, hatha yoga pradipika describes 14, in which important book of hatha yoga culture you found +- 60 asanas??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.3.43.50 (talk) 11:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Transliteration of Sanskrit needs a lot of work!

The transliterations of the Sanskrit are poor and need to fixed as well as sourced. Azalea pomp (talk) 03:24, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I noticed a probable error at Rajakapotāsana. My Sanskrit is so limited, I don't know the writing system at all well, but I think the Sanskrit doesn't have the first 2 syllables "Raja". Are the "Raja" syllables are part of the pose name? I don't really know. Does someone else? Oaklandguy (talk) 19:04, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Gallery

The submissions from theholisticcare.com are creepy-looking, they do not illustrate how humans look doing these poses, and they're covered in advertisements. In Bakasana, for instance, the hands are not flat on the mat. I am a newbie and disinclined to remove work on a page I haven't authored, but as a yoga teacher I find these images objectionable for many reasons. Neredowell (talk) 21:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the above user -- I am willing to take a few pictures of myself or teachers who are willing to make them public domain. The 3D rendered images are NOT depicting how poses should be done. YuanHao (talk) 23:38, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Merge the Asana Pages?

Merging the descriptions of the asanas - all to one page if no more appropriate breakdown between one and all can be created - would be preferable from the human browsers point of view - especially those who have less than a blistering fast broadband connection. Why?

The actual information on a typical asana refered to from the List_of_yoga_postures compromises less than a quarter of the visible information transmitted and a tiny fraction of the total data forming most of those page, all the rest is common to every page. For instance, this one Sukhasana only uses about a quarter of the screen. This means that you would get a page with all the asanas on it for little more than the time to load a couple. Then all you have to do is scroll, or even easier, click the name in the list at the top and the page will scroll for you. The images can be small thumbnails, which are clickable to see more detail.

Users searching a particular asana will still be able to find it on a common page. They might even become interested in other asanas that they would otherwise have overlooked.

I'd like to hear from interested parties especially authors of these pages before beginning work on this. Please post to this page. The individual asanas could be merged with the List_of_yoga_postures page which could then be renamed simply Yoga_postures with a redirect from Yoga_asanas.

In case anyone is wondering if this is just an academic interest: no, I have been a dedicated practitioner of asana yoga for for at least 20 years, but I am totally eclectic in my practice.

Trev M (talk) 01:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC) and Trev M (talk) 02:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I've started adding the Merge discusion template to the top of pages in question today Trev M (talk) 02:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I'll agree with this merge, unless any specific position has a notable history behind it, or anything else which can be used in an encyclopedic article. This falls inline with WP:N and WP:NOTHOWTO. ThemFromSpace 04:13, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Merge them. They aren't notable in and of themselves; make a useful page with appropriate redirects--and note that appropriate redirects include redirects from the English alphabet spellings--no redlinks at akarna dhanurasana for example. Note that the latter also has improper capitalization under our naming conventions, as the article stands now; that's why I made the appropriate one here; you might want one at Akarna Dhanurasana as well. Gene Nygaard (talk) 18:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

{{DEFAULTSORT:}} a good one to know; I don't think there are many around who do yoga AND information technology... Thanks. Trev M (talk) 23:45, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm holding fire on redirects and disambiguations etc until the integrated page I'm working on is up and running and agreed (or otherwise), then they can all point somewhere they may remain for a while. Trev M (talk) 15:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

The proposed merge lash-up is beginning to take shape here...

...using selective transcludes. Long way to go yet. If you wish your edit of an asana page to appear in the merge proposal, please learn the transclude tags at WP:Transclusion#Partial_transclusion. Please no section headings within the transclude.

Opinion, please, as to whether image thumbnails are OK in alphabetical list down righthand side - with #links if they can be created in this environment, and which will more or less track the alphabetical text listing with contents hidden, or fastidiously within relevant sections (less dense page). Trev M (talk) 00:05, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose merge - The article will be too long, WP:SIZE and later will come up for split all over again. Please refrain from merging. Now.nupe (talk) 06:01, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Now.nupe: please see the following section #Merge Size, Thanks Trev M (talk) 14:48, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Merge Size

The merged article at present, BEFORE further editing-out of duplicated information stands at:

• Prose size (text only): 34 kB (5710 words) "readable prose size", measured by User_talk:Dr_pda/prosesize.js

WP:SIZERULE states:

• > 100 KB Almost certainly should be divided
• > 60 KB Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading time)
• ≥ 40 KB May need to be divided (likelihood goes up with size)
• < 40 KB Length alone does not justify division
• 1 KB If an article or list has remained this size for over a couple of months, consider combining it with a related page. Alternatively, why not fix it by adding more info? See Wikipedia:Stub.

On the other hand,

• Ardha Candrāsana - Prose size (text only): 669 B (118 words) "readable prose size"
• Matsyasana - Prose size (text only): 866 B (155 words) "readable prose size" (since13:08, 2 August 2006)
• A relatively long page for this section:

Uttanasana - Prose size (text only): 1458 B (227 words) "readable prose size"

Trev M (talk) 14:48, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

• • I am talking about this article size. This article List of yoga postures will cross 100kB in size. As for those article you have mentioned, those go by notability more than size, Matsyasana and Uttanasana are most widely known asanas. We can add notes column in the table of this article. Now.nupe (talk) 04:56, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
  • And if you substitute trancluded articles in your sandbox page it will be much more than current size. Now.nupe (talk) 05:00, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I too am talking about the size of the list of yoga postures combined with all the stubs, less a handfull of notable pages. The combined total is as I state above. The page User:Trev_M/Yoga_asanas (page merging and development) replaces the lot and still has less than 40k prose. The size of transcluded prose is already included. Trev M (talk) 01:01, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

There is no consensus to merge pages. Please refrain. Now.nupe (talk) 08:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Merger from new gallery

Someone has posted a photo gallery of poses at Yoga Pose Gallery. It shouldn't be a separate article, especially since this page has photos. Should anything from there be merged into this page, or should that page just be deleted as WP:FORK? Largoplazo (talk) 17:06, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Since there was no text at all, it was tagged for WP:CSD, and has been deleted. If anyone wants the list of images (maybe make a new category, rather than an article?) - drop me a line on my talk page.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Following up the above, looking for images, and generally tidying this page Trev M (talk) 02:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose merge - If any individual article qualifies to be deleted you may list them in WP:AFD. Merging makes this list too big, and not required. Now.nupe (talk) 08:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Those articles qualify to be called WP:STUBs, and let the non-notable articles be deleted. Those can be tagged {{Spirituality-stub}} at the bottom. Now.nupe (talk) 08:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Now.nupe -- are you opposing the merge proposed in the above section Talk:List_of_yoga_postures#Merge_the_Asana_Pages? or the section you have written in: Talk:List_of_yoga_postures#Merger from new gallery? If the latter, your comment and this reply should be moved to "Merge_the_Asana_Pages?" above. It would be good to see a bit of background about you on your user page as you have making contributions to the yoga sections with some commitment.

All the images referred to in the [this] merger from new gallery section are computer generated, inaccurate and poor quality and I have no intention of using any of them - a user above refers to them as "creepy-looking".

Over the next few days I am planning to sandbox a lash-up, or lash-ups of a page or pages - combining all the stubs and list, and content from the asana pages in keeping with WP guidelines, and interested parties can look at them and then decide, advise or contribute. I don't propose altering anything in the existing WP namespace structure until this is done. This is an exercise to stimulate improvement - which I hope we are in agreement that these pages need - certainly not an attempt to polarise opinion. Thanks, Trev M (talk) 15:05, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Wiki Project Yoga

Editors with an interest in working collaboratively to improve the encyclopedic quality of Yoga-related articles are encouraged to visit a new project to achieve this at WP:WikiProject_Yoga. Please let us know you're interested. See you there, Trev M ~  01:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

stop ninja merge

User:Trev M is merging article "that are linked only from this page", which is nonsense. He doing it without consensus in talk page. Includes "includeonly" tags in mainspace pages that are to be used only in templates. Somebody please stop this ninja from vandalising. Now.nupe (talk) 06:18, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

The issues behind this statement are being discussed on User_talk:Trev_M/Yoga_asanas_(page_merging_and_development) and Talk:Dhanurasana. Please, Now.nupe, remove this section or replace your descriptive terms with language more appropriate to an encyclopedia. Trev M  ~  12:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Ninja means "lone warrior", no offense. Now.nupe (talk) 06:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Oppose merge, although not really sure if this is right place. Many of these are independently notable by the fact that they are practiced by millions of people, similar to other exercises. At the very least those which can establish independent notability should not be deleted.AerobicFox (talk) 17:32, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Suggested adds

These are interesting poses but I am not sure if they are here already. Marjaryasana is cat pose and Bitilisana is cow pose. There is a guide to transitioning them here. I don't know if we have wikimedia pictures for them but I notice we have many non-illustrated moves in this list. Can I add these? Does someone else want to? I do not know the proper sanscrit to round out the list so I would have holes if I do. AweCo (talk) 19:40, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

There are already pictures in Commons for many of the poses, and some have a photo on their article page, but not here on the list. Go ahead and sort that out. Also note File:Bitilasana-cow pose.jpg. Are you sure you spelt the sanscrit right for both these poses. They seem notbale enough to make the list with sources, and perhaps have their own separate pages. Lentower (talk) 03:00, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the suggestions! BO | Talk 01:02, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

File:Adho Mukha Dandasana-Plank Pose.jpg Nominated for Deletion

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Gomukhāsana photo

I think the Gomukhāsana photo is not correct since the legs are crossed in front. Though the front view is not shown, it is possible to see the feet on either side.

The image in Reference #1 is the more common end posture than in Reference #2.

What do you think ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.184.144.239 (talk) 10:07, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

There are many spelling mistakes in the devnagri text (headline "Sanskrit"). Very often a makri is missing or e.g. camel is not ushth, but ushtr. So the pronunciation and somethimes the meaning is diffent. The page itself is very good, but the mistakes should corrected. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.92.14.91 (talk) 10:57, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Duplicates, alternative name and variations

• As the list expands there will be more alternative names for already listed asanas. Listing each asana name multiple times with different images will make the list unmanageable and confusing for readers. I recommend that alternative names should be listed under the primary entry and listed without a picture and with a "listed under comment" if they are very common.
• Asanas which have their own names should have one row. Variations within an asana which lack a unique name should not be listed. (e.g. cobra and upwards facing dog are considered different)
• Finally I recommend that we use.
  • "Light on Yoga" to adjudicate names (it is the authority, has Sunscript transliterations, and covers 200 asanas and many intermediate poses and variations.
  • Other texts if "Light on Yoga" does not have them.

BO | Talk 01:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I do not recommend listing alternate names on this same list article.Curb Chain (talk) 20:41, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you as usual - so do we remove crow and leave crane? BO | Talk 17:10, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

In my opinion, Crane is 2 legs on the arms, crow is one leg on one arm so they are not variations.Curb Chain (talk) 16:33, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Please move the glossary back to the end

Placing the list of at the start seems nice but it violates WP:MOS and WP:UNDUE) which is to say it confuses readers about what the article is about. Once the list is complete the glossary should be removed since the articles will provide all needed etymological information. IMO what we really need in this list is:

• Removal of copyvio images (I found another yesterday for mahamudra)
• Removing non-asana entries either to a secondary list of bhandas & mudras
• A better lead section.
• Altering of images to have suitable aspect ratio even for tall and narrow images by creating pictures with some margins.
• Moving the sun salutations asanas to a preliminary list as they are the most common and probably what most people are interested in! BO | Talk 22:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I Support all of this but the affix table, because it is important to know about the affixes to understand the etymology of the asanas. But this isn't an important point so if you want to revert you can.Curb Chain (talk) 03:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Mudras and Bhandas

Hi, Curb Chain can you please restore the Bhandas and Mudras intro. I put the template there to remind me to put in a citation to a book I read recently - I just have to locate it. I am also somewhat dishearted that you removed it in because of a missing citation - either you don't you know WP:V does not require citations for what is knowledge or you don't know basic stuff like there are just three Bhandas?

P.S. There is no list of Bhandas there are only the three and their combination. Also FYI - The list of Mudras we are linking to is a list of hand gestures used symbolically in dancing. Yoga Mudras are probably going to have their own list since they are notable (i.e. I can easily supply the required references) but no one I have met actually uses them and I don't think anyone will be in a hurry to make the list.

Finally I ask the contributors here to this be bold - if they are adding stuff around but if they are going to revert or erase content or make big changes that they leave a note on this talk page so we can discuss things in harmony. It is more civil and required if more than two people are working on one page. Cheers.BO | Talk

I can put back the information for the {{cn}}. Mudras are hand gestures, and they happen to be used in dancing, and the coverage of that article may simply be limited to mostly dancing. If a list of mudras should be created and has not been created, the current situation of linking to the article of mudra is much better than not linking at all.Curb Chain (talk) 22:52, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Can you supply those references as mudras used in athletic yoga? It isn't about someone having to be in a hurry to make such a list, but if it is useful to do so.Curb Chain (talk) 22:54, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

IAST

Please make sure that all transliterations are in IAST. Names are Sanskrit so please transliterate it properly. English is the sanskrit transliteration without diacritics.Curb Chain (talk) 01:49, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Sanskrit Copy/Paste Error

I think the sanskrit for "Foot behind Head Pose" is not correct. Looks like a mistake since it's the same as the line above for One legged supported headstand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.50.70.200 (talk) 18:25, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Mudras are not exclusively hand gestures.

Bladesmulti, please stop going around wikipedia undoing my edits. The citations were for incorrect information and were removed with the information they were attached to. I hade made a correct description, but it still could use citations. It would be more helpful if you could find a citation for the mudras that are not hand gestures (i.e. viparita karani, sambhava, and kechari mudras, which do not involve the hands at all). Also since this is common place information I don't know that it requires a citation. More important is correcting the misinformation because what it says is now inaccurate: mudras are NOT exclusively hand gestures. Please at least discuss changes before reverting my edits. This is not curtious editing! Iṣṭa Devata (talk) 03:03, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Read [1]. Bladesmulti (talk) 03:36, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

That page does not say that mudras are only hand-gestures. See also Mudra. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:33, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

I think I'm missing an antecedent here. Are you referring to the reference or this wiki page? Currently this page says: "Bhandas are locking mechanisms,[1] while mudras are hand gestures.[2]". What it should say, and previously said is that Mudras are seals (and you can add the sanskrit dictionary for proof) and bandhas are a class of mudra. Chapter 3 lines 1-3 of the Gheranda Samhita state that: "Mahamudra, Nabhomudra, Uddiyana, Jalandhara, Mulabandha, Mahabandha, Mahavedha, and Khechari; Viparitakarani, Yoni, Vajroli, Shaktichalani, Tadagi, Mandukimudra, Shambhavi, the five dharanas, Ashvini, Pashini, Kaki, Matangi, and Bhujangini: these twenty-five mudras grant success in this world to yogis." Listing the bandhas under the heading of Mudras (here is Mallinson's translation: http://archive.org/stream/GherandaSamhita/GherandaSamhita_djvu.txt http://www.yogavidya.com/freepdfs.html) As is the case in third chapter of the Hathapradipika which also says (as my earlier edit made clear): "In order, therefore, to awaken this goddess [kundalini], who is sleeping at the entrance of Brahma Dwâra (the great door), mudrâs should be practised well." meaning that mudras are for directing kundalini up the spine (or according to other authors, for sending amritam up the spine). The list also defines all of these mudras, NONE of which are hand gestures. If memory serves it is the case that in all traditional hatha yoga manuals, mudras are NEVER hand gestures. James Mallinson writes extensively on why this might be and the development of Hatha from Tantric roots where mudras were often external hand gestures as they are in dance, and many meditation traditions. A good paper for references is "Śāktism and Haṭhayoga" by James Mallinson, 6th March 2012. http://www.khecari.com/resources/SaktismHathayogaFinal.pdf Iṣṭa Devata (talk) 01:18, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

The reference bladesmulti is using here is clearly referring to mudras in indian art and sculpture and makes no mention of mudras in yoga. This is also an important meaning of mudra, but not the standard meaning in hatha yoga or yogasana. In eastern paintings and dance mudras are clearly hand gestures (can you imagine a painting of mula bandha?) but in the traditional texts of hatha yoga (Gheranda Samhita, Siva Samhita, Hathapradipika, Yoga Yajñavalkya, etc...) mudras are NEVER hand gestures but are internal techniques for directing energy and maintaining focus like tantric samketas. The bandhas are specific mudras that maintain upward flow and prevent backflow (though different texts say the upward flow is either prana, apana, kundalini, amritam, or bindhu, etc...). Jason Birch writes extensively on why the upward force of energy earned the name of haṭha or haṭhena (forceful). http://www.academia.edu/1539699/Meaning_of_ha%E1%B9%ADha_in_Early_Ha%E1%B9%ADhayoga Iṣṭa Devata (talk) 05:39, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Anyone want to help add these to the glossary?

I still need to figure out the correct diacrits and IAST but this is a partial list of sanskrit terms I teach in my Sanskrit workshops that could be added to the glossary:

•Adho – Down
•Uttara – North
•Dakshina – South
•Purva – East
•Paschima – West
•Asana – Seat
•Stithiḥ – Stop/Rest
•Padangustha – (Big) Toe
•Ubhaya – Together
•Prasarita – Apart
•Koṇa – Angle
•Sirsa – Head
•Bhuja – Arm
•Anga – Limb
•Amba – Eye
•Janu – Knee
•Karna – Ear
•Mula – Root
•Uddiyana – Upward Flying
•Jalandhara – Net
•Pluthiḥ – Uprooting
•Para(m)/ Pūrna – Full, Complete
•Pari – Around
•Vṛtta – Turned/rotated
•Mukha – Face
•Ardha – Half

Nava Drishti – Nine Gazing Points:

1. Nasagra – Tip of Nose
2. Ajna Chakra/ Broomadhya – Third Eye/Between Eyebrows
3. Nabi Chakra – Navel
4. Hastagrai (hasta) – Hand
5. Padhayoragrai (pada) – Foot
6. Vama Parsva – Left (North) Side
7. Dakshina Parsva – Right (South) Side
8. Angustha – Thumbs
9. Urdhva – Up

Iṣṭa Devata (talk) 18:11, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Also, what happened to the glossary? I'm not good enough at html to restore the table, but it definitely needs fixing. It has turned into a list with no breaks and visible code.Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 17:07, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Looking to 瑜伽体位集 and Liste de postures de Hatha Yoga would be helpful. (Tri-) Bilingual! :-) AVS (talk) 06:44, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Sanskrit of Parsvottanāsana

After much troubling through Google, SanskritOCR and Sanscript (not being a "native" writer (or speaker) myself) the cloest I managed to get was:

पारवोत्तासन

Using the following "source" images:

http://www.bradpriddy.com/yoga/skparstt.gif http://yogaanytimeimages.s3.amazonaws.com/2015/01/15/full_anuradha_141030_YA10347-11105.jpg

If anyone finds this information valuable, you're welcome. And of course, if you know what it 100 % is, remember to improve the wiki :).

RhoDaZZ (talk) 18:19, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Edit: I think I found the definite answer:

पार्श्वोत्तानासन

Credit to: http://www.ashtangayoga.info/practice/basic-sequence-fundamental-positions/item/parshvottanasana/

Seems like a good resource.

RhoDaZZ (talk) 22:15, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't see this before. Yes that webpage is a great resource. If you ever need assistance anywhere with sanskrit or devanagari I'm always happy to help! Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 00:17, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Size of pictures

@Crashed greek: what kind of device are you working with? A small one? Picture-size is by default not defined, and left to the standard-settings of the user. See MOS:IMGSIZE. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Now I have set it to dynamic user set image size instead of fixed pic size. That is upright 0.55 leading to 120px default as given in the link you mentioned. Now it will vary according to user setting. Hope this helps. Crashed greek (talk) 04:28, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

@Crashed greek: thanks. About the two columns: why do you prefer two columns? One column seems more practical to me (the sorting), and also gives a better look. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:48, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Page becomes too long if there is a single column. Sorting may not be required as cntr+f would help more, or sorting twice will solve the issue in case of two columns. Since content in each column is less text, I would prefer 2 columns. But it is subjective, so we can take opinion of others in the case of column issue. Crashed greek (talk) 05:55, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

too much asana

The article need to be fixed about too much asana. They will say anything. Many of them is nonsense, the yoga is not a compilation of as position as possible with a indianistic name ! Sylveno (talk) 07:10, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

The lead is... misleading

As of May 5th, 2017, the lead two sentences are:

Asanas are thought to have physical health benefits.But at the same time it leads to injury in roughly 1 in 20 practitioners a year in the U.S.[8][1][2][3][4][5][6][7]

This looks like there are many references that support the claim that 5% of yoga practioners in the U.S. are injured by the practice of asana, but the references given don't say that at all! The sentences and references in the lead have been in the article for well over a year. Also, many of the references cited in the lead look like low quality articles, with a wide variety of claims, many of which aren't supported by any cited references or sources. Xelkman (talk) 10:50, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

One or two columns / Sanskrit

@Crashed greek: why do you keep changing the format to two columns? Quite unpractical at small devices. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:26, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

User:Joshua Jonathan is right. Even for smaller screens and monitors, it can break up the table, make it hard to read, and does not look nice. Also, asana names come from Sanskrit so both the Devanagari and IAST need to be included.Gakiwa (talk) 21:48, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Sanskrit can be there, but no need of separate column for that. It is waste of space, as it is english wikipedia and most people wont be able to read Sanskit script. I would prefer 2 columns as otherwise it will be too long page, but opinions are welcome. Crashed greek (talk) 04:24, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Also since float is used, two columns becomes single column automatically in smaller devices. Crashed greek (talk) 04:27, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

But that would still be two separate sortable columns. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:35, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Sorting twice wont be much extra effort for readers to find what they want. Here cntr+F is used more than sorting in this article anyway. Crashed greek (talk) 06:03, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Sanskrit needs to be in a separate column so it can be sorted and because english is only the localized version of the name. When comparing asanas, sanskrit must be used because each langauge will have its own name. Classes all over the world use sanskrit so people who speak different languages can still perform the asanas when commanded. The table needs to be in one so the asanas can be sorted by category.Gakiwa (talk) 22:01, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Agree here with Gakiwa, on both issues. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:16, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Sanskrit transliteration is anyway there in english, which can be sorted, and both will result in same sorting. So no need of separate column to sort. Nowhere in the world they use sanskrit font as claimed by Gakiwa, only english transliteration is used. Crashed greek (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:56, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

I know there are sometimes 2 or more english names for the same asana. And in the case of malasana, the same sanskrit name and thus transliteration will refer to 2 different asanas. Keeping 3 columns seems to make sense if a reader wants to sort by transliteration first. If they only use english names for asanas then they aren't paying attention to "twisting" (parivṛtta), "one" (eka), "balance" (tulā), etc. when they should because english morphology does not work like this.Gakiwa (talk) 21:55, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

@Crashed greek and Gakiwa: agree with Gakiwa's revert, which undid your removal of the Sanskrit-column. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 03:54, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Pictures

And what's the problem with the pictures? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 03:48, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Some watermark of an orgnaisation is there in pictures. Ideally it should be removed on wikipedia, otherwise also allowed, but there are too many pics. Crashed greek (talk) 04:28, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:35, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

The first problem is, Mr yoga is a commercial organisation, and kennguru so!

the second is, most of the photos is NOT an asana but only acrobatic poses, fantasy poses! this is just contorsionist!

so, i remove all mr yoga and kennguru photos and fantasy poses articles!

Please GIVE SOURCES for the other poses!

Sylveno (talk) 05:58, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Fantasy-poses according to who? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:06, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

according to classical and modern authors — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sylveno (talk • contribs) 08:09, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

the poses without traditional references are still here ?! and the picture import from business site ?! i think we have to open a real talk about Sylveno (talk) 07:50, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Columns

@Crashed greek: The extra column for sanskrit terms seems useful (to me) as missing terms can be seen easily. :-) AVS (talk) 06:37, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Redirecting All Postures Here Effectively Deleted Them

Hi all,

I have noticed that someone has caused every page on individual Asanas to redirect here. This effectively deletes the content of those pages as they are unreachable.

Why would we do this? Imagine if every page on mountains in California just redirected to the list. We would never do that, so why do that here?

I propose we allow each page to stand on its own and keep the list. Mobiusinversion (talk) 13:10, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

@Mobiusinversion: can you give some examples? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:13, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

@Winged Blades of Godric: which "broader community input" are you referring to? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:16, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan:---Pinging @Boleyn and Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi:---my two comrades in Operation Asana(s)!While I seem to be not finding the particular ANI thread (the search sucks!) and lack the enthusiasm to scour through ANI history during the span of our efforts, see this thread for a rough idea about our dealings.And I am strongly opposing any reversion of the redirects unless the articles are significantly improved from their old-versions and we see some good examples.Winged Blades ^Godric 16:03, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Ah yes, the Walled Garden; @User:Winged Blades of Godric -I think it was User:Bonadea rather than Boleyn? -but this convo on my talk should lead you to the ANI. On edit: Actually, it doesn't, but here it is. — fortunavelut luna 16:07, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!Winged Blades ^Godric 16:20, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I see; thanks! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:19, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

@Mobiusinversion: The redirected articles (at least the large batch I was involved in redirecting) had no salvageable content, that was the problem. They consisted of how-to guides, some medical advice, and advertising for one practitioner and his books. If there had been actual encyclopedic information, with reliable sources, the articles would not have been redirected. --bonadea contributions talk 15:59, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

@Bonadea: Or perhaps the salvageable content would've been moved to this article. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 18:39, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

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Classification for Adho mukha śvānāsana

The classification for Adho mukha śvānāsana currently shows as "FArm balance and Forward Bend". I don't think that is right, with the capital "FA", but then "farm balance" doesn't mean anything to me, so I was hoping someone with knowledge on this could take a look and correct that if needed, clarify if not. ^_^ — Preceding unsigned comment added by マイキ (talk • contribs) 11:09, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Standing Poses Uttihista

As far as I can tell, uttihista is most likely a made up word or a massive typo. It does not exist in the sanskrit dictionary (I've tried various added diacrits), nor does any similar word come up when I look up the sanskrit word for standing. Utthita however, only two letters away, can mean 'risen' or 'elevated', from ut (up) and hita placed. Uttha/utthā and utthāna all imply standing or rising as well and are real words. Unless someone can provide a reference to back up this seemingly invented word, I think it should be replaced. Also, I do not think we need to label each pose by 'class' of āsana in the first place; many poses are multiple classes and change with slight pose variations. They are not traditionally classified in this manner very often if at all (ashtangis started doing this I think in the eighties). Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 17:58, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

references for each asana please

the poses without traditional references are still here ?! and the picture import from business site ?! i think we have to open a real talk about it. Sylveno (talk) 07:17, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Sorry to insist but many poses here is just ridiculous… in yoga point of view.

This article lose credibility.

Thank you to ask to a real yoga teacher for what is āsana and what are not!

Please, note a central point in wp is verifiability <source> tag!

Sylveno (talk) 16:09, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, I couldn't agree more. This article is in a genuinely shocking state, and I've seen thousands of articles over the years. Its current purpose, at a glance, is commercial advertising, with decorative yoginis in unusual and absurd pose variations, mostly with made-up names, completely without citations, not surprisingly. I'm removing the worst of them, and alongside that, I shall remove all the watermarks from the images, so that we aren't a laughingstock and a conspicuously free source of advertising. In short, WP:ADV, WP:MADEUP. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:26, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

oh yep, finally! thank you very much. i'm starting to arguee for this 2 years ago! Sylveno (talk) 18:27, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

As you can see, I've sorted it out. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:18, 17 May 2019 (UTC)