Talk:List of assassinations and assassination attempts

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Source on the following? 1963, US President John F. Kennedy, First attempt: The Nov. 2 attempt in Chicago. Second attempt: The Nov. 18 attempt in Tampa.

I've never heard of these, and can't find any info about them. Coolgamer (talk) 05:47, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Flight 93 was speculated that it was to target the whitehouse to kill president Bush, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.154.17.173 (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Surely there were at least six attempts on the life of British Queen Victoria Saxe-Coburg? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.136.43 (talk) 20:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Isoroku Yamamoto

IMHO, Yamamoto should not be on this list: his death was due to enemy action under the laws of war, and was not a crime. If Yamamoto belongs here, then so do King Harold Godwinson, Henry 'Hotspur' Percy, Admiral Nelson, and countless other military leaders who were picked off as targets. What do others think? 86.4.198.147 (talk) 18:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Gabrielle Giffords — Undetermined

The fact that they say they are "optimistic" about her recovery does not mean she will survive her wounds. At least for the time being it should probably be undetermined. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.7.210.144 (talk) 16:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Fidel Castro

The many alleged attempts to assasinate the cuban leader Fidel Castro by the CIA and the anticastrists is not documented here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.100.180.20 (talk) 17:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. Comet Tuttle (talk) 20:28, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Benazir Bhutto

I realise this is not a list of all assassinations, but surely hers is worth a mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.29.191.243 (talk) 17:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

"Notes" column

Some of the "Notes" refer to the assassin (e.g. "Threw a grenade...") but others refer to the victim ("Killed when he..."). The column's comments should be consistent instead of switching back and forth. Comet Tuttle (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Osama Bin Laden

Now that the white house has stated that OBL was unarmed and executed after the firefight ended, can he be added to the list? Legal or illegal, it certainly was an assassination. --95.96.30.170 (talk) 16:47, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

No, he should not be included. Per recommended requirement, "It should not include bona fide military operations or murder for hire," this would categorize Bin Laden as a military operation. That order had been active since September, 2001. While they most probably would have taken him alive if possible for intelligence reasons, there is no proof that Bin Laden was executed after a determination was made that he was unarmed. He MAY have been unarmed, but as of now, the official record is that he was legally terminated under the legal guidelines of a standing directive. NOTE: If Bin Laden were indeed "executed" when taking him into custody could have been safely achieved, then there would be legal repercussions that would involve everyone in the chain of command from CoC Obama all the way down to the individual members of the team. That hasn't happened; whether it actually happened or not has not been proven or even offered for criminal investigation under Court Marshal adjudication. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.151.54 (talk) 07:47, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Marie François Sadi Carnot was assassinated, too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.180.29.244 (talk) 12:24, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Merge proposal

It was proposed in May 2011 that List of assassins be merged with this article, but no discussion was initiated, so I'm starting one now. In addition, I'm proposing that List of assassinated people and List of people who survived assassination attempts should also be merged into this article. I've chosen this article as the merge target somewhat arbitrarily; I wouldn't be opposed to ending up with two lists, one for assassinations, and one for assassination attempts. I'm mainly just drawing attention to the fact that we currently have four lists, which is way too many. DoctorKubla (talk) 08:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I do not think the "List of Assassins" and the two lists regarding intended or successful victims should be combined; The "List of assassinated people" and "List of people who survived assassination attempts" should not be combined. I know we combined a couple of lists a few years ago regarding these articles. This article here, "List of assassinations and assassination attempts" is trying to do too much and is in need of a break-up: it is too broad (and potentially huge) for one article. GenQuest (talk) 17:34, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I agree with GenQuest. However, this page is for a list of successful assassinations, but not just failed assassinations. If this page was to be combined with assassinations that failed like Gerald Ford's assassination attempts, then the page wouldn't be good enough. They should be kept on seperate pages rather than into one HUGE page. Limexialia (talk) 18:16, 23 December 2012 (UTC) Limexialia (talk.

So the three of us agree that the four lists should be restructured into two lists: List of assassinations and List of assassination attempts? I think that's what you're saying – let me know if I've misinterpreted your comments. DoctorKubla (talk) 16:58, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay, this could get a little complicated, so I'm going to take it one step at a time. My first proposal is that List of assassinations and assassination attempts should be partially merged with List of assassinated people to create a new article, List of assassinations (currently a redirect). This article would only list successful assassinations. I've already done the bulk of the work involved; see User:DoctorKubla/Assassinations for an idea of what the finished result would look like. All that needs to be done now is to copy the contents of that page into mainspace (and then, probably, split it into separate articles by continent to make it less unwieldy). It still needs a lot of cleanup; my primary consideration, for the time being, is to preserve as much information as possible. I haven't made any judgement calls about whether a particular item should be included, or corrected any of the inaccuracies I've spotted. That can come later, as can any discussion about the format of the article, whether it should be organised by country or date, how many columns the table should have, etc. For now, I just want to determine whether there's a consensus to merge these two articles. (It's possible that no-one really cares either way – if there's no response after, say, a month, I'll take that as silent consensus.) DoctorKubla (talk) 10:56, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Agree Your plan sounds good. I'll help as time allows. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 13:41, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Right, stage one complete. Next... I think it would be easiest to merge the survivors from this list into List of people who survived assassination attempts, then turn this article into a redirect. I'll get started on that now. DoctorKubla (talk) 11:02, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

And we're done. List of assassinations and assassination attempts, List of assassinated people, and List of assassins now redirect to List of assassinations. List of people who survived assassination attempts still stands, so we now have two lists instead of four. All is as it should be. DoctorKubla (talk) 12:20, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Marcus Sarjeant

The mention of Sarjeant's "attempted assassination" of Queen Elisabeth in 1981 is gross exaggeration. It should say he fired SIX BLANKS as he did not possess any live ammunition. "six shots, but all missed" is completely wrong and deliberately misleading so as to try and quailfy as a serious assassination attempt. QE2 was never seriously under any threat form bullets, and the only chance of killing her would have been if her horse Burmese had been startled enough to throw her to her death. Therfore I seriously doubt this qualifies as an assassination attempt, moreso given Sarjeant's mental health. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.100.100 (talk) 13:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. I've removed the entry. According to Sarjeant's Wikipedia article, his intention was "to alarm or distress Her Majesty". That's not an assassination attempt. DoctorKubla (talk) 16:54, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Lee Harvey Oswald, assassination or murder?

Surely there is a difference between the use of the words "assassination" and "murder"? My understanding would assume an assassination, in its modern sence, was the killing of someone of political/religious importance etc. I think it a little grandiose to suggest Jack Ruby assassinated Lee Harvey Oswald. Other than being convicted of the JFK assassination, Oswald was nobody of any note or merit. Therefore Ruby murdered Oswald, he did not assassinate him in the strictest sence. Even if you claim Ruby assassinated Oswald acting under the instruction of a third party that is conjecture. Debate open -when do you describe a murder as an assassination? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.36.3 (talk) 15:39, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

I'd say that Oswald was a figure of huge political importance, being the man who (probably) assassinated the President. At the time of his murder, Oswald was under a tremendous amount of public scrutiny, and was murdered by a total stranger for political reasons. I'm no expert, but I'd call that an assassination. DoctorKubla (talk) 16:47, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

I stand corrected DoctorKubla. As a UK resident it is difficult to perceive how Oswald was regarded by Americans, if as you say he was a figure of huge political importance then his death might be considered an assassination. AMM