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Talk:List of baseball nicknames

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Before ESPN & Chris Berman, the Atlanta Braves' announcers were calling Bruce Benedict "Eggs." You can't give Chris Berman credit for this nickname. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.84.1.212 (talk) 19:43, 19 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

FYI proposed deletion of a related list article

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See this talk page section at the Afd of the List of football (soccer) players by nickname. MickMacNee (talk) 02:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Split proposal

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The split proposal is because this article is at the time of this edit, 160kb big, hence it is getting too big for the article. Jay Pegg (talk) 13:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Article enhancement

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It would be great to information about how they each got their nicknames. Piano non troppo (talk) 03:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

It probably would. Do you have some examples? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Sources

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This article is in desparate need of sources for the nicknames of most of the players listed. For the moment I'm putting on a {refimprove} tag, but at some indeterminate time I'll come back and remove any unsourced names. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

I've seen this note at the bottom of the article, but that won't do for sourcing, because it anticipates any edits that might have been made after it was put in the article:

Unless other sourcing is indicated, all nicknames for individual baseball players cited in this article have been verified by inclusion in one of the following authoritative sources

So you're going to make everyone copy sources from the individual articles? Like, to re-prove that George Ruth was called "Babe"? Great. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 23:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC)Reply
So how are we supposed to keep this page accurate? I made by comment above in response to this edit, to which my immediate reaction was that it must be vandalism, but then looking at the player's name it was plausible that this might have been a nickname. Without sourcing we can't hope to have an accurate article. Sourcing "Babe" is trivial, but there are plenty of other names here that are doubtful, to say the least. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Buck O'Neil, Managers, Coaches

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Somewhere Buck O'Neil's nicknames of Nancy [1] and Cap or Captain should be listed but he never played in the majors. He isn't in the hall but the hall does have the Buck O'Neil award so maybe it fits better there. I also realized [Casey Stengel] isn't listed but I don't have a source for his nickname (it is widely known and it is in his main article). So perhaps someone can find that source and add Casey Stengel to the others list so it just isn't poor ol Buck. 68.102.171.147 (talk) 04:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

Removing cruft

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Most of these nicknames are frankly bullshit. Any that aren't sourced should be removed. --Muboshgu (talk) 14:49, 6 January 2011 (UTC)Reply

And so the way you're going to get started on that is by ensuring that Matt Cain's nickname of the past two years as given to him by Mychael Urban and in common usage within the San Francisco fanbase by way of repeated exposure through KNBR and Comcast SportsNet Bay Area, "Shotgun Cain," is never listed; "The natural" doesn't get correctly capitalized to "The Natural"; Willie Mays doesn't properly get identified as the "Say Hey Kid" in accordance to his own wiki; and that Cody Ross' nickname remains in italics when everyone else's is in bold? Good grief. 69.181.229.170 (talk) 19:15, 6 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
Sourcing them is the key, otherwise we're just having to take your word for it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:36, 6 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
Formatting and capitalization corrections don't need sources, they're just common sense! 69.181.229.170 (talk) 23:25, 6 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
We all have to start somewhere. If I start there, so be it. When I have some more time and patience, I'll be more thorough. The obvious unsourced nicknames, like Joe DiMaggio, will stay with sourcing. --Muboshgu (talk) 23:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
Ignoring "Shotgun Cain," reverting these other changes twice doesn't improve the article. With "Shotgun Cain," I can understand requiring a source. With the other reverted corrections, I'm at a total loss.
I saw that you just re-introduced one of these fixes. I'm going to fix the other two, omitting "Shotgun Cain" until I or someone else sources it. This seems most prudent, and I'll hope that this discussion stands as evidence that I'm not trying to start an edit war. 69.181.229.170 (talk) 23:25, 6 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
Just did a quick search for +"matt cain" +"mychael urban" +shotgun. I only found casual forum posts and a Yahoo Answers page citing Urban as the source of the nickname, as well as many repeated instances of Urban himself using the name casually. I found nothing that explicitly establishes the popularity of the nickname, despite the fact that I know it to be very popular locally (which is useless here). Anybody willing to help identify which would be the best source to cite? 69.181.229.170 (talk) 23:39, 6 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
In my experience, Google News catches most things, unless of course you have access to LexisNexis, which I don't. Regarding this example, I live in San Francisco and have never heard the nickname "Shotgun Cain" until you brought it up, so I'm not sure there are reliable sources for it. --Muboshgu (talk) 23:51, 6 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
Pardon my ignorance, but "Shotgun Cain"? Is that a reference to The Rifleman? Who under the age of 60 even remembers that show, I wonder? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:11, 7 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
Also, I see there are many players with multiple listings (of the same nicknames), as they played for more than one team. It makes no sense for people to be listed more than once. All players should be in one sortable table that can include teams played for as a column. --Muboshgu (talk) 23:08, 6 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
Should the Hall of Fame list stay separate? Or should it be incorporated into the main list? And how many lines would there be for Bert Blyleven, for example? Regarding Mays, the "Say-Hey" stuff came from the way he used to address people when he was a young player. So he was called both "The Say-Hey Kid" and "Say-Hey" (for short). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:29, 6 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
I don't see why it should remain separate. We can highlight them as we do on other lists to identify them as HOFers. What do you mean about how many lines there would be for Blyleven, though? --Muboshgu (talk) 23:51, 6 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
For example, Willie Mays played on two teams, the Giants and the Mets. You have to have a line for each team or the sorting by team can't be done. Although starting with them listed alphabetically would at least improve the chances of keeping each line consistent. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:09, 7 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
Muboshgu, be careful with your edit summaries. Calling Chris Berman an "idiot" is a BLP violation. Also, Fred McGriff liked the "Crime Dog" tag, although most of the others were just "Bermanisms" that probably belong in wiki-quotes or something. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
You're right. I apologize for that. Just seeing his "nicknames" riled my blood. I kept "Crime Dog" on the page because I remember that one took off and stuck. BR probably mentions it. --Muboshgu (talk) 23:51, 6 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
Unfortunately, your partial deletion left the "Crime Dog" nickname unreferenced. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:18, 7 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
For what it's worth, the late Tom Mees used to cite Bermanisms from time to time. I don't know that any other ESPN guys do that on a routine basis, though, and unless they were used anywhere besides ESPN, they don't really belong in this list. As a somewhat parallel example, on the List of nicknames of United States presidents, someone keeps adding back "Shrub" to the Dubya entry, and it keeps getting reverted because that was the title of Molly Ivans' book but it was not a widespread nickname. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:23, 7 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
You also rubbed out everything connected with Jesus Alou, who was in fact called "Jay" during his playing days, nothing to do with Chris Berman. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:30, 7 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
I accidentally removed Jesus Alou from the Astros section, but he's still listed in the Giants section. That'll be taken care of when it's all merged. As for the Crime Dog source, that's easily remedied.[2] --Muboshgu (talk) 02:10, 7 January 2011 (UTC)Reply

I'm taking this to WT:BASEBALL. This page cleanup is too big to do without more people. --Muboshgu (talk) 03:25, 7 January 2011 (UTC)Reply

Merge proposal

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List of baseball player nicknames is entirely redundant to this article. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

I'm astounded that this was never properly discussed and that editors have gone on just ignoring the obvious fact that we had two articles that duplicated one another. I have gone ahead and redirected the other article here as it is older. What would be great would be if a formatting expert could make this into a sortable table which would allow incorporating the alphabetical style used there with the team-by-team listings used here. I assume this discrepancy is at least part of the reason this situation has been allowed to linger like this for so long, but it is obviously completely inappropriate to have two lists of the exact same information. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:34, 15 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
I thank you. Just yesterday I finally started to delete unsourced entries on the page (or was it the other page?), but clearly the two pages were a duplication of effort that nobody wanted to discuss, despite my attempts to raise discussion. This page merge needed to be done, and now reformatting needs to happen. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:45, 15 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
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