Talk:List of battleships of Germany

Merge?

I support the suggestion for the merger.Cosal 12:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Gneisenau and Scharnhorst: BB vs. BC

I personally agree that these ships should be labelled as battleships, but the actual articles themselves are Gneisenau class battlecruiser, German battlecruiser Gneisenau, and German battlecruiser Scharnhorst. The consensus at those articles is to use the term "battlecruiser", given the sources (Jane's, etc.) that label them as such. Therefore, should we not have some uniformity in the matter, even if we don't agree with the decision? Parsecboy 17:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any reason to. The articles could only have one name: they had to be called either battlecruisers or battleships with a redirect from the other. However, there's no technical issue with listing them both here and on a hypothetical List of battlecruisers of Germany. Note that the class category is listed in both the battleship and battlecruiser structures. People who consider them battlecruisers and people who consider them battleships should have an equal opportunity to find the information they need without hunting in multiple places because of someone's POV. TomTheHand 19:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

That seems reasonable. Thanks for your reply. Parsecboy 19:23, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

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Aircraft Carriers ?

Hello!

Shouldn't this article include Graf Zeppelin Class ? Bit odd to leave the carriers out. '  Perseus 71 ^talk 16:47, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Not odd at all. The Graf Zeppelin class were, as you mention, aircraft carriers - not battleships. And, unlike Japan's Kaga, they were not converted battleships either, but built as carriers from the keel up. Thus, they don't count here. Now, a List of aircraft carriers of Germany has promise, though, since there were other German carrier projects. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 17:00, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm a bit perplexed by that suggestion. This is a list of battleships, not a list of capital ships (which would also include battlecruisers, for which there is a separate list). Parsecboy (talk) 19:42, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Bismarck class

The article claims the Bismarck class were the biggest Battleships ever built for a European Navy, but the HMS Vanguard completed post war was virtually the same size. Also, they were not completed by the German Navy, Bismarck was completed by Blom and Voss, not the German Navy. Staygyro (talk) 21:43, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Tirpitz nevertheless displaced more than Vanguard, and more importantly, the claim is supported by a reliable source. If you want to contradict the claim made by Garzke & Dulin, you need to bring your own source to the table. And regardless of who actually built the ships, they were ordered by the German Navy and built for them.

Also, please sign your posts. Parsecboy (talk) 23:43, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

What sources? All we need is to compare the displacements. We have to therefore state that Vanguard rivalled them in size.Staygyro (talk) 09:47, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Please read WP:OR. Garzke & Dulin specifically state that the class was the heaviest in Europe; you need an equally reliable source to contradict them. Parsecboy (talk) 10:34, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Panzerschiffe

The German Wikipedia version of this list includes the Panzerschiffe (Pocket Battleships), but this one doesn't. 82.46.164.90 (talk) 14:53, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Because they aren't battleships by any definition of the term. Parsecboy (talk) 15:14, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

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