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Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2020

on the list of best selling video games it show "the Witcher 3" sold 28 million copies. But that number is far outdated and CD Projekt Red has even confirmed on there twitter they sold over 50 million copies (mainly breaking 30 million due to the netfilx series i would assume). Sparklepants1 (talk) 11:14, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Darren-M talk 12:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

God of War

God of War (2018) has sold 20 million copies. [1] --Dreamer plox (talk) 01:55, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

"estimated". -- ferret (talk) 01:59, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2021

66.190.170.154 (talk) 20:21, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Most game of all time

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 20:49, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding super mario all stars to super mario bros 1, 2, 3, and world

Well i noticed that the advanced series was added to their respective games so why not also add the sales of super mario all stars for the snes and wii. As the advanced games are the same thing just separate the games (except 3 due to the E reader levels) but why should these sales be ignored? Now we know how much to add to 1, 2, and 3 since it is just all of the sales of both but world is much harder which is just an estimate as we know the wii verison didnt have world and all of the snes copies sold in japan didnt have world so you must take the USA and EU numbers and try to calculate how many have world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.175.110 (talk) 16:23, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

adding mario galaxy and mario 64 to the list

well mario galaxy has 12.8 million sales and mario 3d all stars has 8.32 which means it comes out to 21.1 million. Mario 64 sold 11.9 on the n64 and so with the 8.32 from 3d all stars puts it at 20.22 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.80 (talk) 14:58, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

"Breath of The Wild" Wii U updated sales numbers.

The book 2020CESAゲーム白書 (2020 CESA Games White Papers) from Computer Entertainment Supplier's Association says that the sales for the Wii U version of Breath of the Wild is 1.69mil as of 31st of December 2019. That makes the total sales of the game 21,430,000.

References

 Done. Maestro2016 (talk) 16:20, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Nintendo financial data update

Nintendo has updated the sales figures for their first party games, changing the position of multiple Nintendo switch games https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html

(highest sellers in millions for ease of access)

• Mario Kart 8 Deluxe : 33.41
• Animal Crossing: New Horizons : 31.18
• Super Smash Bros. Ultimate : 22.85
• The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild : 21.45
• Pokémon Sword/Pokémon Shield : 20.35
• Super Mario Odyssey : 20.23
• Super Mario Party : 13.82
• Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu!/Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee! : 13.00
• Splatoon 2 : 11.90
• New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe : 9.92

194.75.95.175 (talk) 17:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC) idra

Monster hunter world sales

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1354778090304663552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1354778095128109056%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vgchartz.com%2F

This is from the Capcom financial report and the base game + DLC are around 24 million — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.170.191 (talk) 16:15, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Not sure about combining expansion/DLC sales with the base game. But then again, the list includes expansion/DLC sales for Diablo 3 and Witcher 3. So there needs to be some consistency about whether or not expansion/DLC sales count. Maestro2016 (talk) 17:39, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html it's now sold 26 million copies combined

Well you can see Diablo III and The Witcher 3 having dlc/expansions are listed and other games like Wii Fit and it's enhanced version Wii Fit Plus are listed separated on official website of Nintendo sale figures just like Monster Hunter World and it's expansion pack Iceborne are listed separated on Capcom platinum titles

why not increasing the list to 100?

the list has been 50 forever but as time goes on the minimum requirement keeps going up here in a few years it will be passing 25 million to get into the top 50. So why not just increase the amount to 100 yes it would take some work but the data is already here all the needs to be done is for someone to see what the other 46 games are. Many would be on probably the PS4 a few 3DS games as well. It would make the list richer with information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.175.202 (talk) 02:53, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

I can tell you a few right off the bat.

Brain Age Mario Kart 7 Pokemon black and white Pokémon X and Y Monster hunter world if you dont count the DLC Some of the need for speed games Some of the Sims games Several of the Playsation 4 exclusives that arent already on the list GTA 3 GTA Vice City Garry's Mod (See PC Page) Mario land New super mario bro U + Luigi U + Deluxe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.80 (talk) 16:54, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

The longer you extend the list, the less "best-selling" it becomes. Keeping the list to 50 prevents scope and size creep. -- ferret (talk) 18:18, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Second this. This list is long enough already. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 18:22, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

The best selling video game franchises has a ton of franchises and i dont think it takes away from the fact the top one is impressive — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.80 (talk) 20:35, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Rather than a top 50 or 100, maybe the minimum threshold could be set to 20M sales? Just like the best-selling game franchises list. Maestro2016 (talk) 11:18, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

That is the old system. A few years ago the list used set thresholds. A discussion decided to simply limit the list to a particular number of titles. I'd recommend the other list adopt the same, to be honest. -- ferret (talk) 14:26, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• There is no reason for such a ridiculous limit. You already got 6 games listed as number 48 on the list so its the top 53 list right now. Need a set number of sales. Those who just don't like long list usually don't like list at all. It loads up fine, so no reason to restrict it to the top 50. Dream Focus 16:21, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• Hogwash. I like the lists just fine. Any limit, whether a total entry limit or a sales limit, is ultimately arbitrary. This one was arrived at after discussions. It's fine to have another discussion, of course. That said, Frogger and Lemmings are questionable inclusions, with both relying on estimates that include decades of remakes, remasters, and ports. That is, it's more a franchise number than an individual game sales number. -- ferret (talk) 16:41, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
• I appreciate that your first post here is to cast aspirations towards those that have maintained the list for years. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 16:52, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• Yeah, better than saying a handful of people decided years ago to do this, so don't bother arguing, we're not going to change it. 50 is an arbitrary and pointless cut off number. It should be based on sales figures, that's what this article is about, there no other top 50 bestsellers list out there. Dream Focus 17:40, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• No one said we can't discuss it or to not bother arguing or that we won't change it. Do you have a source we could use that suggests what reliable sources consider to be best-selling? Is there an agreed upon common figure? Or should we pick an arbitrary amount on our own so we can have an arbitrary and pointless cut off figure? -- ferret (talk) 17:53, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• Any game getting coverage mentions its sales. They publish lists of the bestselling games of the month in many places. Obviously selling a million copies is not a great accomplishment anymore, but how many games every year sell at least 10 million? Dream Focus 18:27, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• Selling ten million copies gets coverage. Use a search engine for game reaches 10 million in sales and you get results. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/minecraft-pocket-edition-sales-reach-10-million/1100-6407847/ https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-05-21-god-of-war-reaches-ten-million-lifetime-sales https://segmentnext.com/2018/01/11/fifa-18-sales-exceed-10-million-copies-breaks-last-years-sales/ So that is an achievement they mention, news coverage whenever a game sells 10 million copies. Dream Focus 18:52, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
• https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=009782238053898643791:8naerdbd-oy the reliable source custom search engine for video games gives better results. Try that with 10 million in sales and just look at the headlines! Dream Focus 18:55, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• Most results I see are for franchises or hardware, not individual games. We're not changing the criteria because you don't agree with how it's set up, because your idea would just defeat the purpose of this list. Drop the stick. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 20:06, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• Really? I see results for games. https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/05/21/god-of-war-sales-have-passed-10-million God of War Sales Have Passed 10 Million, https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/04/26/super-mario-odyssey-hits-10-million-sales Super Mario Odyssey Hits 10 Million Sales, https://www.cnet.com/news/pubg-10-million-sales/ PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds sells 10 million copies, https://www.ign.com/articles/2015/10/05/titanfall-sales-pass-10-million-globally Titanfall Sales Pass 10 Million Globally, https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/consoles/minecraft-pc-hits-10-million-sales/ Minecraft PC hits 10 million sales, https://www.ign.com/articles/2008/04/23/gamelofts-asphalt-series-tops-the-10-million-sales-mark Gameloft's Asphalt Series Tops the 10-Million Sales Mark, https://www.gamespot.com/articles/god-of-war-ps4-sales-exceed-10-million/1100-6467083/ God Of War PS4 Sales Exceed 10 Million, etc. etc. Reliable sources consider this a notable achievement, so that's what we should list. Dream Focus 20:25, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• Sources also report 1 million, 2.5 million, 5 million, 15 million, 20 million, etc. These are common multiples that get reported on. -- ferret (talk) 20:27, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• Where do you see a major game being reported as selling a million copies and whatnot? Dream Focus 20:33, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• Just to use God of War: 3 million initial sales reported, 5 million sales reported, and some less reliable sources already reporting 20 million estimated. So PlayerUnknown's... 3 million, 4 million, 6 million, 8 million, 10 million, 20 million, 30 million, 50 million, 70 million. As just these two games demonstrate, sales figures at all kinds of different "x millions" are regularly and often reported. -- ferret (talk) 20:40, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• So two people want the list to stay at the arbitrary number of 50 for personal preference reasons, two people said to change it to 100, and one said to set the threshold at a certain number of copies sold. I'd like to see more opinions on this. Don't be discouraged from saying what's on your mind. Dream Focus 20:46, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• 2 people want top 100, the section opener and you. Two people recommended maintaining the status quo of 50. Another suggested switching to 20 million as a cut off. You've suggested 10 million. All of them are personal preferences in the end and arbitrary. I'd be happy to see more participation. -- ferret (talk) 20:52, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• To clarify, I want it to be a top 100 list. Dream Focus 20:55, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• Noted and statement updated for accuracy. -- ferret (talk) 20:57, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Maybe we do 15 million as the cut off it is the middle between the 20 and 10 million suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.80 (talk) 20:59, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

I feel like trying to decide a new cut off is missing a critical piece. Any cut off changes needs to be accompanied by review what it would bring to the list. If we add 50 more games, what are those 50 games and their sources? If we switch to 15 million, what new games appear? Right now, we're just arguing a number that has no context. What are the games and the reporting about them that the new cutoff allows? -- ferret (talk) 21:04, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

To add to that, if we go back to when the list was reorganized around Top 50, here, we see there are 20 games that are below 20 million and have since been removed. Of those, 5 are below 15 million, so we'd bring back 15 games. There's probably 5-10 more games that have "slipped" off the top 50 over the intervening years as well. Probably some various other figures have been updated as well. So, a 15 million cut off would bring 15-20 more entries to the list. A top 100 cut off would likely reach down towards 10 million unit games or even lower, but we'd have to do research to build out that list. -- ferret (talk) 21:10, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_best-selling_video_games&direction=prev&oldid=777274103 is what it was originally for years. The games that sold 15 million copies are more were listed separately from the ones that only sold one million copies. The information is found on lists of games for each console so no need to list it here. This list is useful to see how things compare with one another. The information about their sales is already referenced in the various articles that list them. Category:Lists of best-selling video games Dream Focus 21:22, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Also say we go to something like 15 million while yes some additional research will be needed many of the games that would pop up are games that used to be in the top 50 and therefore the data was found already. Also many of them are also going to be from the other best selling game charts. Like Mario land is on the GB or Mario Kart 7 is on the 3DS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.175.202 (talk) 22:01, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Also looking in the old page shows that games such as battlefield 3 should be on the list since it shows that it is at 20 million — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.175.202 (talk) 22:39, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Also another that would be added would be NSMBU as you add it Luigi U and deluxe almost putting it at 18.69 million — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.80 (talk) 05:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• The criteria is not being changed. Namcokid47 05:45, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

why not most of the information is there to extend the list out to at 15 million cut off or to 100 all you need to do is copy paste most of the references and then it is done showing growth of the list would make it more diverse and show trends much better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.175.202 (talk) 05:50, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• It's not about finding sources, it's about the scope. We are not extending this list to include 100 entries because that would defeat the entire purpose of the list. Readers want to know "list of best selling video games of all time", not "list of video games that have sold a certain amount of copies for all platforms". Please stop proposing this. Namcokid47 06:02, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

if that was the case why are list like the highest grossing media franchise, or the best selling video game franchises wouldnt have so many entries it is a similar idea set it to something as simple as 20 million because then you dont have to change anything until you get more entries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.80 (talk) 06:48, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

It is an interesting question — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C4:C900:61C0:4DED:97AE:2EB7:C324 (talk) 00:06, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2021

76.69.230.114 (talk) 17:56, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

On your selling records tetris sold 100m copies. On the tetris page it's 200m copies... is wikipedia a valid research?!?

 Not done: The 100 million sales figure is for the EA game, Tetris (Electronic Arts), which is consistent across Wikipedia. The 200 million figure is for Tetris generally. Volteer1 (talk) 05:38, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Call of Duty series sales figures numbers need to be updated.

(August 16, 2020) https://gamerant.com/highest-selling-call-of-duty-games-ranked-by-amount-sold-world-at-war-modern-warfare-black-ops/

(September 1, 2020) https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-sells-30-million-copies/

Call Of Duty: Black Ops = 30.99 million

Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 = 30.97 million

Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019) = 30 million

Call Of Duty: Black Ops II = 29.59 million

Call Of Duty: Ghosts = 28.8 million

Call Of Duty: Black Ops 3 = 26.72 million

Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 = 25.02 million

Call Of Duty: Advanced Warfare = 21.78 million

Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare = 19.84 million

Call Of Duty: WWII = 19.82 million

Call Of Duty: World At War = 17.66 million

Call of Duty series sales figures numbers need to be updated.

116.39.24.217 (talk) 01:02, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Super Mario 64

Super Mario 64 (N64 and DS) has sold 22,96 million copies. [2]. --Dreamer plox (talk) 16:42, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

If you do count and add those you should also add the Mario 3d all-stars sales as 64 is one of the games — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.170.191 (talk) 16:17, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done. However, not sure about including Mario 3D All-Stars, as that's a compilation. Maestro2016 (talk) 17:36, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

I can see that but why not add it to their respective games as it is just mario 64 + sunshine + galaxy with the games only having minior changes with most people buying it for either mario 64 or mario galaxy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.175.202 (talk) 19:27, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

It might be best to hear what other editors think about it, and seek some kind of consensus on whether or not compilation sales count towards an individual game's sales. Maestro2016 (talk) 21:34, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

I am against including compilations, since those are technically different games and not just standalone ports of other games. It's why we don't include Namco Museum while counting sales for Pac-Man, for example. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 21:50, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

I just see it as that is another copy of the game is out there — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.80 (talk) 03:07, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't think remakes should be combined. A game should only be combined with another if it's highly derivative of the original; the exact same game and engine with minor alterations (ports or special editions). Scarftail (talk) 13:45, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

So like Mario 64 in Mario 3D all stars? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.80 (talk) 06:31, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Mario 64 DS is more of a remaster with minor alterations, rather than a full-blown remake. Maestro2016 (talk) 19:31, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Also when it comes to this list the question how many copies of this game exist or how many of just this one version exist because depending on which one it changes the list a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.167.70 (talk) 18:36, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Update Terraria figures

As of the end of 2020, Terraria has sold 35 million copies, bumping it up to 14th position. Source: https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/to-the-moon-lord-terraria-breaks-the-35-million-barrier.104078/

That's a forum, and forums are not reliable sources. Please cite an independent reliable source. 64.203.186.93 (talk) 14:59, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2021

I want to edit this page as Tetris is in the wrong spot KhaledMohammedKetata (talk) 14:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. -- ferret (talk) 15:32, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2021

I am just here for an error that someone made without any reliable sources. CDPR haven't confirmed that Witcher 3 sold 30 million copies. Can you edit it to 28.2 millions? I will be much appreciated. Badtommy27 (talk) 06:25, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Witcher 3 Error Request Badtommy27 (talk) 06:26, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done. Please provide reliable sources to support your edit request. MBihun (talk) 13:47, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Sea of thieves

Sea of thieves now has 20 million copies sold

https://www.seaofthieves.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.53.18.12 (talk) 17:59, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

No, they have "20 million players", which is not the same. See List of most-played video games by player count instead. -- ferret (talk) 18:38, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected request

According to Activision Blizzard, Overwatch sold 50 million copies in February 2020. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:81:8500:198c:9479:260d:21a5:f505 (talk) 21:35, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

A source is required for this. Blizzard is not known to release sales figures anymore, preferring instead to state number of registered players/accounts, which we cannot use on this list. -- ferret (talk) 13:14, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Monster hunter world sales

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1354778090304663552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1354778095128109056%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vgchartz.com%2F

This is from the Capcom financial report and the base game + DLC are around 24 million

now we already have DLC counted for other games so should we add this in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.173.134 (talk) 01:33, 6 April 2021 (UTC) I brought this back up because it was never answered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.167.70 (talk) 04:07, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Should someone add this as i cannot? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.167.70 (talk) 05:32, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

We need a better source than Twitter. We cannot add sales for World and Iceborne and say it sold 24 million, as many of the Iceborne purchases were by existing owners of World. Expansions sales are not rolled into the base game sales. (Please sign your posts by typing four ~ tildes at the end of messages) -- ferret (talk) 13:12, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/finance/million.html here but dont you already count DLC sales with these games if they come out with numbers like diablo 3 and the Witcher 3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.163.149 (talk) 19:47, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

is that a good point? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.175.202 (talk) 01:59, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't like that we have those two entries as a combined figure. The Witcher 3 one may not even be correct, as CDProject has announced "30 million Witcher 3" and didn't call out DLC at all. In the case of Diablo III, we have no better figure as Blizzard announced the figure as including both. In the case of World, Capcom explicitly separates World and Iceborne, so we don't have that issue. -- ferret (talk) 02:05, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

ok makes sense i was just wondering as if you combine said sales they do end up on this list

Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2021

50.227.146.163 (talk) 13:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

1. 1 Tetris(USSR) 500 million

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Pupsterlove02 talk • contribs 13:13, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2021

Add Halo to this series. It should be #5 on the list. 96.19.19.205 (talk) 13:24, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Minecraft developers

The Minecraft developer section in the wikitable isn't complete. Since 2014, new developers have joined, including:

• Xbox Game Studios (not just the publisher anymore, they work on the [Bedrock)
• SkyBox Labs
• 4J Studios (formerly)

I'm not autoconfirmed yet, so can someone edit it please? MetalManiacMc (talk) 07:41, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

To more precise, these three work on Minecraft (Bedrock Edition) or the old Console Edition. Mojang Studios only work alone on the Java Edition. MetalManiacMc (talk) 07:49, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

The note in dev section says "Only developers and publishers for the original release of each game are listed, except where noted otherwise." although I think the devs you named should be mentioned in some part of the entry. --Dreamer plox (talk) 19:51, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

They created the original release of these editions that aren't the same game. Maybe put them as a note group ref? MetalManiac, Fandom BOT owner! (chitchat) 15:59, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Red Dead Redemption (2010)

I was wondering if Red Dead Redemption (2010) could be added to the list? Both the source listed for Red Dead Redemption II's sales and this 2021 financial report from Take-Two (page 11) state that the Red Dead series has sold around 60 million units. Since RDR2 has sold over 37 million, that places RDR1 somewhere around 23 million. Please change #43 on the list to Red Dead Redemption. Twelvepieces (talk) 12:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done. "Somewhere around" is not good enough; we need a source saying a specific number. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:21, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Also you are forgetting red dead revolver which would work into that number

Tetris with 425 million sales?

I was looking at the List of best-selling video game franchises and I found that Tetris was listed as having 425 million sales with this as its source. This is definitely more than the 100 million stated here. Does this article use a different statistic? --Diriector_Doc├─────┤^Talk_Contribs 23:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Henks' numbers have been repeatedly questioned. The only source is an interview he gave, with no official announcements otherwise. Also, the fact he refers to it as "paid downloads" and not "units sold" leaves question. A user who has paid can represent multiple downloads. -- ferret (talk) 00:54, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2021

Hello, I would like to request an edit to the third best selling game on the list Tetris. The specific game stated is the EA version of the game in the mobile platform which is NOT the correct version of the game that sold 200,000,000 copies. The mobile game is free and only has around 5,000,000 downloads on the Google Play Store. If you are able to edit the version of the Tetris game to the Original Version of Tetris for the Nintendo Game Boy, it would be much appreciated since this list is fairly important in the Gaming community. Thanks and have a nice day. 112.200.40.193 (talk) 15:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: The figure is sourced. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:22, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Should spiderman be here?

i am talking about the ps4/ps5 game as recently sony updated their sales numbers and i remembered that all ps5 copies of spiderman: miles Morales came with the ps5 verison of spider man. So wouldnt this game be on here just from PS4 sales and the PS5 bundles? as i had seen that there was a linkedin page of someone who had worked a sony and talked about different things one of them being that spiderman had sold 20 million globally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2c4:c900:61c0:1dc3:ed3b:2047:5952 (talk • contribs) 05:26, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

No. The 20 million figure for Spiderman is unofficial and unverified. It comes from an anonymous Twitter post quoting the linkedin profile of a former executive who made the claim. Despite it's republication, this remains the fact that an official figure has not been announced. -- ferret (talk) 15:19, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Super Smash Bros Ultimate was not updated.

SSBU is at 24.77M copies according to Nintendo's financial report. The other games have been updated but not SSBU. Would someone please do that? Thank you. BB1802 (talk) 01:22, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Pokèmon Sun/Moon/Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon sales incorrect.

The combined sales of Sun/Moon at 16.25M copies and Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon at 8.98M copies is listed at 25.14M, which is incorrect. The editor must have made a miscalculation. It should be 25.23M. BB1802 (talk) 15:41, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Did it myself. Wasn't able before that because of not enough edits. BB1802 (talk) 15:58, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2021

In the List section, the Video Game 'Animal Crossing: New Horizons' is listed as 16th on the list with 33,890,000 sales. The Video Game 'Wii Sports Resort' is listed as 15th on the list with 33,140,000 sales. The number 33,890,000 is in-fact larger than 33,140,000. This edit request is to change the 'Rank' numeral indicated in the first column to 15 for 'Animal Crossing: New Horizons' and 16 for 'Wii Sports Resort' respectively. The default sorting does not need to be adjusted as 'Animal Crossing: New Horizons' appears above 'Wii Sports Resort'. Emunisa (talk) 17:02, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Fixed it. Thanks for pointing that out. TheHumanIntersect (talk) 17:09, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Minecraft New Sales

I don't know if this is a true article, but this is a german Article from April 2021, which says that Minecraft sold aroung 238 million times. https://www.pcwelt.de/news/Minecraft-zaehlt-mittlerweile-140-Mio.-Nutzer-monatlich-11023505.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by LinkOLumer (talk • contribs) 21:54, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

English source that PCwelt is quoting from: GameSpot. -- ferret (talk) 22:04, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

The GameSpot source cites a fact sheet released directly by Microsoft, so I updated the list. TheHumanIntersect (talk) 22:34, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2021

En el desarrollador de PUBG debe ir PUBG Studios en el lugar de PUBG Corporation, y en distribuidor debe ir Krafton, esto debido a que PUBG Corporation cambió de nombre a PUBG Studios y Krafton, compañía matriz, retomó la publicación en su nombre. Fuentes: https://www.americascardroom.eu/poker-blog/2020/12/pubg-corp-changes-name-to-pubg-studio-after-merger-with-parent-company-krafton-inc/ ShipisMobal (talk) 16:25, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:29, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

On the list, at number 5, where is PUBG, on the developer side, I want to replace PUBG Corporation with PUBG Studios, and on the publisher side, I want to replace PUBG Corporation with Krafton. This is due to the name change from PUBG Corporation to PUBG Studios and the merger with Krafton, which is the parent company, see source. ShipisMobal (talk) 16:48, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds

On the list, at number 5, where is PUBG, on the developer side, I want to replace PUBG Corporation with PUBG Studios, and on the publisher side, I want to replace PUBG Corporation with Krafton. This is due to the name change from PUBG Corporation to PUBG Studios and the merger with Krafton, which is the parent company, see source. https://www.americascardroom.eu/poker-blog/2020/12/pubg-corp-changes-name-to-pubg-studio-after-merger-with-parent-company-krafton-inc/ ShipisMobal (talk) 18:29, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

John Madden Footbal(1988)

Not sure how accurate this is but apparently, the game sold 37 million copies by 2004. (i could have read it wrong). And it looks like it's U.S only sales? [3] Timur9008 (talk) 20:41, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2021

Some of the numbers were wrong so I'm trying to edit so that they're accurate to how much they actually sold. User1080 (talk) 16:28, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -- ferret (talk) 16:30, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

New nintendo sales and the combined sales of mario U

well today nintendo release its quarterly report.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2021/211104_4e.pdf

In these are new updates to current top 50 titles.

But there is a new one New Super mario bros U That is combining the wii u game along with Luigi U and the Deluxe title and you come out with 20.36 million sales — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.161.148 (talk) 12:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC) "

Also add 10K to mario kart 8 as the wii U version sold 10k it has been updated on Nintendo page as well

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Heartmusic678 (talk) 15:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

OK sorry if it sounded vague so it is two things.

1. Mario kart 8 need 10K added as you go to the Wii U page on Nintendo's quarterly reports it has 10K more that what this page says.

2. Using the Wii u page and the PDF that shows all of the 1 million sellers for this current fiscal year. New super mario bros U has crossed 20 million units. New Super Mario bros U Deluxe 11.48 million + The base game (New super Mario bros U) 5.81 million + New super Luigi U (which was sold digitally and on its own disc and is bundled in with Deluxe) 3.07 million = 20.36 million for New super mario bros U/Luigi U/Deluxe.

This PDF was in one of the links at the top but for the wii u stuff to make it easy. https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/wiiu.html There is the link to the top wii u sellers

Is that better? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.65 (talk) 21:37, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks, Heartmusic678 (talk) 12:18, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

No problem — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.175.59 (talk) 21:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Should this list be limited to the top 50 or to games that have surpassed 20 million in sales?

I am just throwing this up as right now there are 4 games sitting in 51st place at 20 million in sales. So i am putting the idea of maybe keeping them and making entry at 20 million in sales instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.161.148 (talk) 21:40, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I would agree with this suggestion, as a 20M threshold would be consistent with List of best-selling video game franchises. Maestro2016 (talk) 18:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Top 50 or 20 million, either is fine with me right now. You will still run the risk of ties pushing the list slightly longer regardless. -- ferret (talk) 19:40, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Another reason that keep 20 million as maybe the threshold is it makes a very intresting comparison with old games and new ones to see where each of them stack up. As if sales reports keep coming in the market grows the really old games on this list might fall off so maybe setting the list at 20 million is not a bad idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.165.120 (talk) 01:08, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Just my 2 cents, but I think as more and more games reach 25 and especially 30 Million, and 20 Million is a little less "Big" (as if it isn't still freaking huge), maybe it could be something that the standards could be upped for? Idk, just my thought.

Alex

Alexseidner0831 (talk) 01:38, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Remakes/Re-Releases

Looking at certain games on this list, some are listed as the same game even though they are separate releases and/or full-on remakes. With some (Pokemon Red & Blue) this makes sense; with others, it's kinda a grey area (Pokemon Yellow + Red & Blue) and with others, it's pretty disingenuous IMO. Take Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus. They're listed as separate games on Nintendo's Website, with 2 distinct total game sold values (Source: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/wii.html), but they are listed as one here. While I get that they are, at heart, trying to accomplish the same thing, they are listed as separate by Nintendo, and, in the end, Wii Fit Plus is an upgraded remake on the same system. Another example is Super Mario 64 DS. It's listed alongside the N64 version, with combined totals, and while Nintendo doesn't list how many copies of the N64 original were sold on their site (it doesn't go back to N64 days with the Top 10 sold by console unfortunately), they do list Mario 64 DS on their DS list at 11.06 Million Units Sold (Source: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/ds.html), and as someone who has played both, they are almost completely different games with the same basic structure. And it's not like something like this hasn't come up before; the Tetris games have been separated fairly recently. A more borderline case would be those such as the OG Mario Bros, if you include the original release, then the Mario + Duck Hunt release as a separate release, although that's a harder case to make, obviously. Another thing to consider is DLC expansions, especially paid ones: Do we include all the expansions a game has a separate sales, or do we only include the base game? It's one I'd lean toward just the base game, but I'll let others argue about that. Straight ports, or mostly straight ports, such as Mario Kart 8 & Mario Kart 8 Deluxe along with re-releases such as those on Virtual Console (where data is available), are another question, and I'd personally lean toward including those in the total, just because they are almost identical to the original, although the $5 price point on NES Virtual Console games, when that was going on, was obviously a much different ask than back in the 80s. Ultimately, my point is this: While all situations are different with these, they need to be more thoroughly looked at.

-Alex

Alexseidner0831 (talk) 02:03, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

well not every remake/remaster is the same. It depends on your stance like if you are someone that counts copies of a game like super mario bros you could count everything currently listed and copies of super mario all-stars (even though it is not just one game). Why Tetris was split is most versions are different with some exceptions (GB and NES). Why the wii fits are together is everything that is in wii fit is in wii fit plus. Wii fit plus just has a few more mini games but in most areas they are almost the same game. Why the 3rd and sometimes 4th game for each Pokémon gen is included (excluding current gen and X and Y and for some odd reason black/white/black 2/white 2) as often while a bit different it is essentially the same thing just this one has a new legendary and a few new locations. Honestly i do not get the whole mario 64 and 64 DS but i could see it as that 64 DS just adds some things in to add length like making more stars but at the end of the day it is Mario 64 on a handheld. One that would make a bit more sense is maybe doing Mario 64 + Mario 3D all-stars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.166.187.108 (talk) 18:53, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

That's... Literally what I said at the end? Every situation is different, but this needs to be looked at more thoroughly.

Alex

Alexseidner0831 (talk) 20:25, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2021 (2)

182.182.81.198 (talk) 16:19, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

This list includes developers and publishers but not the video game genres, if anyone see this edit request please put the game genres for each game, it really tells about the game

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please provide the sourced genres for the games on the list, as well as establish consensus for their inclusion on the list. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:25, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Why don't you take a look at Wikipedia it already have video game genres name for each game on this list and I give an example if you don't understand. Minecraft Genre : Sandbox,survival game — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.182.30.151 (talk) 18:03, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

The list of games is below with their genres that I see from their Wikipedia pages

Minecraft Genre(s) Sandbox, survival

Grand Theft Auto V Genre(s) Action-adventure

Tetris (EA) Genre(s) Puzzle

Wii Sports Genre(s) Sport simulation

PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds Genre(s) Battle royale

Super Mario Bros. Genre(s) Platform

Pokémon Red/Green/Blue/Yellow Genre(s) Role-playing

Mario Kart 8/Deluxe Genre(s) Kart racing

Wii Fit/Plus Genre(s) Exergaming

Tetris (Nintendo) Genre(s) Puzzle

Pac-Man Genre(s) Maze

Red Dead Redemption 2 Genre(s) Action-adventure

Mario Kart Wii Genre(s) Kart racing

Terraria Genre(s) Action-adventure, Sandbox

Animal Crossing: New Horizons Genre(s) Social simulation

Wii Sports Resort Genre(s) Sports simulation

New Super Mario Bros. Genre(s) Platform

New Super Mario Bros. Wii Genre(s) Platform

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Genre(s) Action, Role-playing

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Genre(s) First-person shooter

Diablo III/Reaper of Souls Genre(s) Action role-playing, hack and slash

The Witcher 3 / Hearts of Stone / Blood and Wine Genre(s) Action role-playing

Human: Fall Flat Genre(s) Puzzle-platform

Pokémon Gold / Silver / Crystal Genre(s) Role-playing

Duck Hunt Genre(s) Light gun shooter, sports, shooting gallery

Wii Play Genre(s) Party

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Genre(s) Action-adventure

Super Mario World Genre(s) Platform

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Genre(s) First-person shooter

Call of Duty: Black Ops Genre(s) First-person shooter

The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild Genre(s) Action-adventure

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Genre(s) Fighting game

Pokémon Sun / Moon / Ultra Sun / Ultra Moon Genre(s) Role-playing

Grand Theft Auto IV Genre(s) Action-adventure

Pokémon Diamond / Pearl / Platinum Genre(s) Role-playing

Kinetic Adventures! Genre(s) Adventure, sports

Fifa 18 Genre(s) Sports

Sonic the Hedgehog Genre(s) Platform

Nintendogs Genre(s) Pet-raising simulation

Mario Kart DS Genre(s) Kart racing

Red Dead Redemption Genre(s) Action-adventure

Super Mario 64 / DS Genre(s) Platform

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Genre(s) First-person shooter

Pokémon Sword / Shield Genre(s) Role-playing

Pokémon Ruby / Sapphire / Emerald Genre(s) Role-playing

Borderlands 2 Genre(s) Action role-playing, first person shooter

Super Mario Odyssey Genre(s) Platform, Action-adventure

New Super Mario Bros. U / Deluxe / Luigi Genre(s) Platform — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.182.113.135 (talk) 18:22, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2021

The source for Minecraft's 238,000,000 sales should be changed. The current source just directs to an archive of Minecraft's website when it used to display the total copies sold (which it no longer does), and the sales displayed on that source only show 34,000,000. A better source would be this news article written by Helen Chiang at Mojang where she says, "We are humbled that there have now been more than 200 million copies of Minecraft sold to date." This source more accurately represents the currently displayed sales number. Other sources should be added for those extra 38,000,000 but I'm not sure where to look for those. Maybe that's combining sales on mobile? MAX490907 (talk) 16:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: I think there's a chance you just missed the references given at the end of the row, as ref 5 gives the 238,000,000 figure shown in the article. Thanks, Pupsterlove02 talk • contribs 17:01, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2022

Add Monster Hunter World and it's expansion Monster Hunter World: Iceborne to the list which sold combined of 26 million copies https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html 182.182.6.231 (talk) 06:07, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Current consensus from previous discussions is to not combine expansion and game sales. Hemantha (talk) 07:35, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Well you can see Diablo III and The Witcher 3 having dlc/expansions are listed and other games like Wii Fit and it's enhanced version Wii Fit Plus are listed separated on official website of Nintendo sale figures just like Monster Hunter World and it's expansion pack Iceborne are listed separated on Capcom platinum titles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.182.67.202 (talk) 13:38, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2022

I would add Overwatch to the list as it has sold at least 50 million copies. 50.203.42.42 (talk) 20:23, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Blizzard has announced only the numbers of registered accounts, not the number of copies sold. -- ferret (talk) 20:27, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Updated to New super mario bros U

With the recent quarterly report Nintendo had reported that New super mario bros U Deluxe had now sold 12.72 copies bring the combined total to 21.6 million copies sold

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2022/220203_4e.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.167.38 (talk) 14:27, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2022

182.182.119.1 (talk) 09:40, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe new sale figures here's the reference 21.6 million units sold combined.

 Done casualdejekyll 19:57, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Borderlands 2 at 26 million

Take-Two updated Borderlands 2 sales. https://ir.take2games.com/static-files/76f4bbac-7caf-4a5c-978c-26947aa09610 BB1802 (talk) 02:49, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't know why these two points were added here. BB1802 (talk) 02:51, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Super Mario 64/Super Mario 64 DS

I would consider them as different games since 64 DS a lot of features to differentiate itself that makes it a whole new experience unlike lets say new super mario bros u and it releases and the Pokémon titles. As a result of this Super mario 64/Super Mario 64 DS would have to be removed from the list. I Am Hunted (talk) 13:30, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Genres of games and Tetris (EA)

182.182.51.69 (talk) 23:58, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

This list include developers, publishers, release date but not genres of the games which is the most important information about the games on this list and as of source you can take a look at Wikipedia page of these games SIMPLE, and also Tetris (EA) is multi-platform because it's also available on PlayStation 3.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:02, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Ok here I provide every single Wikipedia pages of each game and then you can check their genres.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minecraft https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_V https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_(Electronic_Arts) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Sports https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PUBG:_Battlegrounds https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Kart_8 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Red_and_Blue https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Yellow https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Fit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Fit_Plus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dead_Redemption_2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_(Nintendo) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-Man https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Crossing:_New_Horizons https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Kart_Wii https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraria https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Sports_Resort https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Super_Mario_Bros. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Super_Mario_Bros._Wii https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_V:_Skyrim https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_(2019_video_game) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_III https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witcher_3 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human:_Fall_Flat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Gold_and_Silver https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Crystal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_Hunt https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Play https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto:_San_Andreas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Breath_of_the_Wild https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_World https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_3 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderlands_2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Sun_and_Moon https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Ultra_Sun_and_Ultra_Moon https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_IV https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Diamond_and_Pearl https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Platinum https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros._3 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops_II https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect_Adventures! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_18 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(1991_video_game) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendogs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Sword_and_Shield https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Kart_DS https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Odyssey https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dead_Redemption https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_64 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_64_DS https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_and_Sapphire https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Emerald https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Super_Mario_Bros._U https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Super_Luigi_U — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.182.87.136 (talk) 16:25, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I think it’ll be a fine addiction to the list I Am Hunted (talk) 04:22, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I added genres but do you have a source for Tetris (EA) being in the PS3? I Am Hunted (talk) 13:44, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Actually you can check this on Wikipedia page of Tetris (EA),but ok here's the official source.https://www.ea.com/games/tetris/tetris — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.182.45.107 (talk) 22:51, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks I Am Hunted (talk) 20:32, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2022

182.182.118.214 (talk) 11:43, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

What about remakes of Pokémon games and what about this source. https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Also that source itself would not be considered reliable as it is user generated Cannolis (talk) 12:19, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I think what they are saying is like gen 1 + yellow + remake + let's go.

Oh i think there is one pokemon game missing and thats gen 5 as the combined sales of black and white + black 2 and white 2 pushes it over — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.164.131 (talk) 02:58, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Dark Souls.

Dark Souls should be some where on this list, at roughly 30th-ish place. Dark Souls 1 has sold approximately 25 million copies, and the remaster has sold 27 million copies, several games on the list don't match those numbers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8800:2093:8200:5D7C:509E:5F9B:97C7 (talk) 22:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source of sales announcement. Not an estimate or anything like Steam Spy. -- ferret (talk) 00:18, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

List is very outdated

When will the list be updated? It seems to be missing a lot of newer games that have sold 30-40 million and more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.47.43.228 (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Which games? Uvarajie (talk) 21:37, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

王者荣耀 / Honor of Kings

It should be on this list aswell 2A02:3034:0:85CB:118F:C8EA:5592:5B1 (talk) 08:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Witcher 3

CD Projekt published updated numbers. Witcher 3 has sold 40 mln copies. They don't specify how they count expansions, but they didn't specify it last time either. Sources: PDF presentation (page 9), PDF transcript of the conference, Twitter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moss Arrow (talk • contribs) 20:10, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Terraria

Terraria appears to be on over 44 million copies now. Source is a recent trailer released on youtube by the developers ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mlPhhWm5_A ), which states in the beginning of it that over 44 million copies have been sold. If someone has the time, please verify this and update the page

ShadowBlade8192 (talk) 15:45, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2022

change the number of sales for Terraria from 44,000,000 to 44,500,000

source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_eTYF0RYOY Relogic announcement Kasra Mn (talk) 20:19, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done Updated numbers. Used first-hand source instead of the one provided. JonahGae (talk) 23:07, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Could we update the list to 100 games instead of the Top 50?

I realize that's a lot to ask for, but feel the list could benefit more by having 100 slots instead of just 50. Vskal (talk) 03:38, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Oft discussed in the talk page archives. Why should it be expanded? -- ferret (talk) 13:42, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Correct the number of Nintendo titles in the top ten in the header

The article header says there are six Nintendo titles in the top ten, but there's only four now. UOSSReiska (talk) 23:51, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Pokemon

If Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon sales get combined with Sun and Moon, then shouldn't Pokemon Black and White and Black and White 2 make the list with a combined 23,890,000 sales?

Additionally, if Mario 64 and DS get combined, shouldn't the Diamond and Pearl remakes get combined with the original games? 100.7.91.20 (talk) 00:30, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Outdated numbers for Take-Two games

New numbers: GTAV: 170,000,000 RDR2: 45,000,000 https://ir.take2games.com/static-files/79bc5b0a-2091-483f-9ac5-aa4cab0a1cac DerUnweise (talk) 21:27, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

GTAV and RDR2 sales numbers

UPDATED: GTAV sold over 170 million copies and RDR2 selling over 45 million copies. Sources by Take Two Interactive August 8th investors call 103.145.211.46 (talk) 05:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Tetris sales numbers significantly lower than actual

Why is Tetris listed as only 100 Million, when it has sold more than that on mobile alone? Source: https://venturebeat.com/business/mr-tetris-explains-why-the-puzzle-game-is-still-popular-after-three-decades-interview/

Paid versions alone for mobile have over 425 million copies sold. Even if you count that separate from all other versions of tetris (which isn't done for minecraft or other cross platofrm games, and minecraft also has different version like Bedrock and Java) it is still the best selling game of all time, by a significant margin Maedhros77 (talk) 21:19, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Edited to add, even the Tetris wikipedia page here lists it as 202 million, with data back from 2011, 11 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maedhros77 (talk • contribs) 21:28, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Check the talk page archives. Short version: His claims are dubious, essentially claiming that there were over 200 million sales between 2011-2013. No company has ever substantiated the claims he gave in this interview. Additionally, it's debated whether "every version of Tetris ever" counts as a single game. So what's on this list is the specific sourced sales for EA's Tetris. -- ferret (talk) 22:15, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2022

overwatch has over 50 million copies sold so it should be on the list 2601:702:C180:EC60:F86F:8FE7:A6A5:F10B (talk) 06:05, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみなさい, ping me when replying 07:56, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2022

There is a mistake with the release date of entry #48, God of War was released April 20, 2018. 70.81.83.222 (talk) 17:04, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done Aoidh (talk) 02:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Spider man (2018) has sold 33 million copies.

According to gemspot , spiderman (2018) has sold more than 33 million copies. Shank19112000 (talk) 10:14, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Here's the soruce- www.google.com/amp/s/www.gamespot.com/amp-articles/marvels-spider-man-playstation-sales-reach-33-million-as-of-may/1100-6504108/ Shank19112000 (talk) 10:15, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

This is a sales figure for 3 separate games, the 2018 game, it's PS5 remaster, and Miles Morales. -- ferret (talk) 13:24, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2022

Wii Sports shouldn't be on that list since it was sold with the console 2A02:A03F:A208:4200:61D4:6214:1F2C:A83B (talk) 18:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. MadGuy7023 (talk) 18:39, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Nintendo counts it among their best sellers, which is all I really need to explain.

However, beyond that, Wii Sports wasn't bundled with every console in either Japan nor Europe. This was strictly a practice by Nintendo of America, which sold more than 48 million units in the region. Other games also participated in bundles (the mario kart series is very well known to do this), and thus we can't reliably exclude those, and if we did have a full tally of how many Wii console units sold in North America, we'd still be unable to account for bundles that had something aside from Wii Sports in North America. Unless you can come up with a source for a new number, and we come up a methodology by which we decide whether game's are bundled enough to have copies removed from the list, the 82.90 million is the best we have, brought to us by the most reliable source for it.

An aside: at the end of the day, this article itself is growing old and less useful as time goes on, with the rise of free downloadable games and the continued obfuscation of reliable sales data. The days in which this is a useful and noteworthy article to begin with are numbered. RammyRamRamRam (talk) 12:33, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

i would say the issue with that is where do you draw the line a one time they used to have the games have a check or x if they were bundled and many were checks so basically with that thinking you cut off like 90% of the games on this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.173.204 (talk) 20:02, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2022

The number one game sold is Tetris, it has sold over 520 million copies. Please research this and change it. Thanks! 2600:8803:7D09:3200:75A4:F1D5:C918:78C5 (talk) 06:24, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 06:47, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2022

Removing the rankings column made it harder to know what spot an entry is in, especially farther down the list. Adding them back in would make the list easier to read. 2601:240:4C00:AAD0:D0F7:8552:DD24:5E58 (talk) 20:07, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

While the removal probably should have been discussed, I'm personally in favor of keeping the "rank" out. The "rank" or "what spot on the list" is in some sense not real, unlike the lower bounds on sales. This list is just a best guess, so it's not really accurate to say "Borderlands 2 is the 35th-best selling game of all time." SnowFire (talk) 20:39, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Also pinging Ryan York, who removed the ranks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:55, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2022

Change the value for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate from 29.530,000 to 29,530,000. Statickx666 (talk) 23:32, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done Sarrail (talk) 00:07, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Layout

Why is this page layout like this surly it is best to have it layout like List of best-selling video game franchises we could do as the following sections

at least 1 million copies sold

at least 10 million copies sold

at least 25 million copies sold

at least 50 million copies sold

at least 100 million copies sold

92.236.253.249 (talk) 23:32, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

No, the format of the other list is terrible and makes the tables much more difficult to use. -- ferret (talk) 23:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Pokémon Sales Clarification

One of the recent updates brought total Pokémon Red/Green/Blue/Yellow sales from 47.52 million to 32.88 million. However the source claimed for the change only references "the first three Pokémon games" as totaling 31.38 million in sales. The first three games are Red, Green, and Blue. Most sources show that Pokémon Yellow individually sold 14.64 million copies. Shouldn't they be combined again to be consistent with the other Pokémon entries on this list? 2604:3D08:7379:AD00:A0C7:3D8:CFC4:6D51 (talk) 23:23, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Oregon Trail-why missing from the list

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oregon_Trail_(series)

According to this wiki page Oregon Trail has 65m sales...and is not even on "the list". 174.94.2.62 (talk) 01:24, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

to understand why think about why there are multiple Tetris entries on the list as Tetris isnt one game over many generations each iteration are different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.169.216 (talk) 02:51, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Ranking numbers

Why was the column with the rankings removed? This is a top 50 list and you can't see which rank each game has without counting. I suggest to add it back since it made it easier to have a better overview over the list. BB1802 (talk) 14:43, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the above comment, having the rankings helped with visual clarity. --2601:240:4C00:AAD0:D0F7:8552:DD24:5E58 (talk) 20:01, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

To add to what I previously said, now the list has 49 games since Overwatch was removed and with the numbers everyone would've noticed immediately. Removing the numbering was completely pointless. BB1802 (talk) 14:01, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

I think this page needs at least some formatting whether that be with numbers 1-50 or 1-100 or groupings in amount sold like the best selling franchises. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.169.216 (talk) 02:53, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Wii Sports

Wii Sports was included for free with the sale of many (all?) Wii consoles. It feels misleading to include it on this list as if it sold all of its copies on its own merits. 72.93.84.206 (talk) 19:29, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

The issue is not all copies were bundled with the Wii as that was mostly in the west and not to mention the Nintendo selects version of the game. But the issue is most games have been bundled with a console so where do you draw the line. Even games like Wii play were bundled with a wii mote which is why it sold well. Also mobile games how are those fair as games such as Tetris (EA) was sold most of its life at 99 cents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.169.216 (talk) 15:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

This list is only at 49 entries

So since the numbers went away and the whole Overwatch thing we are only at 49 so if i remember correctly entry 50 should be New super mario bros U and its many different versions. So combining Wii u mario U + Luigi U + Mario U deluxe (which is both mario and Luigi U) the sales are at 22.2 million. Now this might be pointless if you combine pokemon Black/White + Black 2/ White 2 in which it would be 23.45 million which would also make it 50 entries on this list. 158.135.169.216 (talk) 06:54, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Tetris

I don't know what happened with Tetris in this page but apparently there's only the mobile ea version when before their used to be the original. Like that doesn't make sense. Imagined if the same happened with Minecraft. The sales would look and sound unreliable. And plus I found a source that has The Tetris sales including the mobile sales. 1ArcticDude (talk) 07:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Pokemon yellow

so i just noticed gen 1 pokemon + yellow were just moved down to remove pokemon yellow's number even though the are like 14.6 million. 158.135.169.216 (talk) 13:45, 7 February 2023 (UTC) https://gamerant.com/the-highest-selling-pokemon-games-ranked/#pokemon-yellow-14-64-million — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.169.216 (talk) 13:52, 7 February 2023 (UTC) https://www.installbaseforum.com/forums/threads/nintendo-software-and-hardware-sales-data-from-1983-to-present.170/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.169.216 (talk) 13:55, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

New Super Mario Bros U

With this new quarterly report New Super Mario Bros U + New Luigi U + New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe would be on this list as they are now at 23.64 combined sales. https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2023/230207_5e.pdf https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/wiiu.html 158.135.169.216 (talk) 14:00, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Also this list is still 49 entries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.169.216 (talk) 19:15, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Pokemon Yellow source for 14. 6 million source

Prior to 2020 the source for pokemon Yellow Total sold was 1.5 million where did the 13 million come from? It should be changed to 32 million. No proof prior to it being added in 2020. 2601:3C5:8200:97E0:A88C:28F:9DA8:2D26 (talk) 20:07, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Borderlands 2 is in the wrong spot

Borderlands 2 got updated but it's spot hasn't been moved so it stands out as it is at 27 million but behind games that are at 26 million. 158.135.168.240 (talk) 07:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2023

Call of duty: Black Ops III

Sold 26,000,000 copies to date 2600:1007:B0A3:B49C:FD00:694B:3D59:871 (talk) 06:54, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 13:54, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Elden Ring 20 Million+ Sales

Would Elden Ring be considered as having enough sales to be worth inclusion on this page? According to a press release on February 22, 2023 which can be found on From Software's website, the game has sold over 20 Million copies.

https://www.fromsoftware.jp/ww/pressrelease_detail.html?tgt=20230222_eldenring_salesdata 66.189.41.142 (talk) 21:19, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

• No, because there is only supposed to be 50 listed here. If it hits 23m then it probably would. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 22:45, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Human: Fall Flat sales update

Human: Fall Flat should be at the 40 million mark now: https://www.gamespress.com/en-US/HUMAN-FALL-FLAT-SALES-SURPASSES-A-MASSIVE-40-MILLION-WORLDWIDE 69.114.197.54 (talk) 01:13, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Quand nous chanterons (talk) 03:43, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Pokemon Grouping

I think Yellow and Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are different enough from their original games that they should not be counter together, but if they are to remain then Black/White and Black 2/White 2 should be combined on the list at 23.45 Million 96.253.100.146 (talk) 03:34, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: I'm not seeing Black/White or Black 2/White 2 on the list, so if the intent is to add them then we need you to provide reliable sourcing as to their sales statistics. I also do not believe that splitting Pokémon Sun / Moon / Ultra Sun / Ultra Moon is appropriate given how the list is currently setup. —Sirdog (talk) 00:40, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

I think that Wikipedia should split Pokémon enhanced versions from the main game because:

1. They are separate on Pokemon.com.
2. They are separate in Nintendo statistics.
3. They have separate Wikipedia articles.

However, Black 2 and White 2 are not enhanced versions and should remain separate. I realise that this list is not set up this way but then the way it is set up should be changed. I can help with that if there is consensus. Arnav Bhate (talk) 14:05, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

References

Tetris is the highest grossing game of all time

From what I understand tetris should be number one on this list with 520 million copies sold

Yes the data is incorrect for Tetris. See link.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/10-best-selling-video-game-franchises-of-all-time-tetris-call-of-duty-super-mario-and-more-1031273798

2600:6C44:657F:49D7:6CF3:E3A4:78BE:77BF (talk) 20:22, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

That number is disputed, but also applies to the entire franchise of all Tetris games over 40 years. This list is for individual games. -- ferret (talk) 14:07, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

425 million total paid downloads on mobile

Are different publishers responsible for this figure?

EAmobile don't even own the license anymore. Stevelee1973 (talk) 22:57, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Marvel's Spider-Man

I think Spider-Man game should be on this list.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/marvels-spider-man-playstation-sales-reach-33-million-as-of-may/1100-6504108/ 2804:14D:6883:848E:35BC:576D:B6D3:ABEE (talk) 18:46, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 12:16, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

This sales figure is for two games together, not just Marvel's Spider-Man. It includes sales of Miles Morales. -- ferret (talk) 16:36, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Call of Duty sales tweet

I found this on Twitter. A Twitter user took a snapshot of someone’s LinkedIn profile. On the LinkedIn profile, the person, who was a producer of Activision from September 2009 to November 2013, said that the original Black Ops sold over 30 million copies worldwide and that Black Ops II sold over 31 million copies worldwide. https://twitter.com/bogorad222/status/1240679897619718144?lang=en 2601:81:8500:198C:B4B3:A4A:DE8D:3153 (talk) 13:43, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

No, this is unreliable and unofficial -- ferret (talk) 16:37, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Formatting issue

When sorting from newest to oldest, Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald are listed as being the newest game on the list. This is not true, as it was released in 2002, while Animal Crossing New Horizons was released in 2020. 140.228.15.3 (talk) 23:27, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Fixed. -- ferret (talk) 23:45, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Ark

I was surprised not to see ark in the list which has reach more than 30millions same if I m remembering well 90.112.65.96 (talk) 17:56, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

You'll have to provide a reliable official figure for sales. The fact that Ark is missing probably suggests one hasn't been published. -- ferret (talk) 16:37, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I tried to find a source for a 30 million number but only found articles mentioning it having sold over 20 million copies. BB1802 (talk) 19:26, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

It says 33.3 million copies sold

here : [4] Kazama16 (talk) 07:02, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

New info

Here's new source indicating that Tetris has been sold over 425 million copies (including paid mobile game downloads) (Quote: Rogers: We have 425 million total paid mobile downloads.) HeadsOff (talk) 15:04, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

This is not a new source. This interview has been explicitly rejected as unreliable and unrealistic. -- ferret (talk) 15:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, at least 202 million has been sold, as said in article Tetris#Sales - 70 million physical copies and 132 million paid mobile game downloads. HeadsOff (talk) 18:44, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

They are just combining the sales of every (licensed) Tetris game and acting as if it's a single product. The part you just brought up is also talking about the overall franchise and not a single game, which is what this list is for. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:52, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

I see now. HeadsOff (talk) 20:22, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Can we bring back the numbers please

Just please bring back the numbers 1-50 as they worked so well and they can help catch errors easier they should have never been removed 50.226.72.58 (talk) 02:32, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

What errors? We don't need numbering like that to avoid misleading people into thinking a certain game is, for example, the 17th best-selling of all time. This implies there are no omissions in front of it and all numbers are fully up to date, which can not be guaranteed. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:55, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

yes but the errors i was alluding to were games that had their sales numbers updated but not their positioning and also this is the top 50 best selling video games of all time list so why do we even keep to that number if you dont display it. like why not do games that have sold over 20 million or 10 million units but what i am say is the numbers were a quality of life improvement that need to come back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C4:C900:460:591C:1358:DD8B:4101 (talk) 06:00, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Monster Hunter World and its expansion

Monster Hunter World sold 18.80 million units and its expansion Monster Hunter World: Iceborne sold 10.20 million units so it should be included in this list, although its expansion can't be purchased without having the base game but still you have to purchase it in order to play it. The games have sold 29 million units combined.[5] Kazama16 (talk) 11:44, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Stardew Valley

I think Stardew Valley should be added to the list - I think it has sold over 30,000,000 copies. 107.190.25.195 (talk) 00:35, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Kazama16 (talk) 07:43, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Rainbow Six Siege

Rainbow six siege should be added to this list, it has been top 10 selling games of all time for years now and has reached 85 million sales as of last year

Sources:

https://siege.gg/news/rainbow-six-siege-outperforms-ubisofts-expectations-crosses-85m-players-has-18-percent-yoy-revenue-growth

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/seven-years-after-launch-rainbow-six-siege-has-85m-players-and-spending-continues-to-rise/1100-6508686/#:~:text=Ubisoft%20announced%20that%20Siege%2C%20which,players%20every%20day%2C%20Ubisoft%20said. TrollPatrol.exe (talk) 00:49, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Not eligible for this list. This list requires hard sales announcements. Ubisoft is claiming registered players/accounts, and Siege has had many many free week/weekends where accounts that never bought the game were registered. I mean, Gamespot says it right there at the start that the game was free at the time. -- ferret (talk) 01:56, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Even then it still should be included in this list as the website r6 tracker tracks around 40 million players and that doesnt track every player 2601:6C1:501:7C70:6A1F:C885:6E45:CA0E (talk) 02:01, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

This list isn't tracking players. It's tracking *sales*. A free game doesn't have sales. -- ferret (talk) 02:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

the game isn't free TrollPatrol.exe (talk) 02:06, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

https://levvvel.com/rainbow-six-statistics/ TrollPatrol.exe (talk) 02:08, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Ark's owner filing

Contrary to what the quoted article claims, the 33.3 million sales number in the filing does not refer to Ark but to all games published by Snail ("We have experienced significant growth in our number of downloads over the last several years. We have sold 33.3 million units between January 1, 2016 and June 30, 2022. […] Our video games provide highly engaging, differentiated entertainment experiences where the combination of challenge and progress drives player engagement, high average player times, and long-term franchise value." pp.49-50). According to this document, Ark is only at 20+ million sales (see the infographic page 49). - Quand nous chanterons (talk) 04:06, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Good catch—removed. It is worth noting that they list the sales for three of its DLC expansions, which combine for 27.7m units overall (20m base + 3.2m + 2.4m + 2.1m), enough for placement on the list. Though I'm not sure what the consensus is regarding this type of combined inclusion. Prefall 09:27, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Generally frown on combining DLC sales into base sales. -- ferret (talk) 13:19, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I think we should add ARK back into the list because it sold 27.7 million units (including DLC) just like Diablo III and its expansion/DLC Reapers of Souls and if not then Diablo III should also be removed from this list. Kazama16 (talk) 13:32, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh I didn't check the Polygon article. It's confirmed that Diablo III sold 20 million units with its expansion but not 30 million. Kazama16 (talk) 14:01, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

We shouldn't be combining DLC sales and base game sales like that. Sergecross73 msg me 17:41, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2023

Add Skyrim to the 7th spot in the list of best selling video games. Skyrim has sold 60 million copies according to a recent interview with Todd Howard. OlegVermin (talk) 22:22, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: See #Skyrim has apparently sold over 60 million copies existing discussion already here. -- ferret (talk) 00:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2023

The list is missing The The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim which is one of the best-selling individual video games of all time. In a recent interview with IGN, Bethesda Game Studios exec Todd Howard confirms that Skyrim has now sold 60 million copies 49.37.66.38 (talk) 06:46, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: See #Skyrim has apparently sold over 60 million copies existing discussion already here, which was answered just above this request. -- ferret (talk) 13:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Gross Sales vs Copies/units sold

For the sales vs. copies sold debate that @Kazama16 disputes in the case of Skyrim. There are some double standards here with the Skyrim debate. When Overwatch reported copies, NOT sales, the moderators and you were okay with it. But it doesn't apply to Skyrim. Why is this? I've looked into the references people cited, and a good amount of these games are reporting copies sold or units sold, not sales. I've found a few flaws in this page or double standards 1. COD MW3 has a weak reference that does not state sales; both Modern Warfare game reference clearly states COPIES, which is inputted into the page. 2. All the Nintendo titles that self-report state copies or units. 3. Red Dead Redemption reference clearly states copies as well. So to say that Skyrim reports copies rather than sales, so we can't put it on the page, is just not holding the standard. 4. Companies are self-reported copies to outlets so to say the company can't be trusted, I just showed three companies that self-reported copy sales: Activision, Rockstar, and Nintendo.

So help me figure this one out. Make your case on why these weak references and multiple statements on reporting copies/units are any different than Skyrim's report of 60 million copies sold. Is it grossing sales or copies? Make up your mind. Because than half of the page isn't valid due to reporting copies sold. Heck, even the beginning of the page states that Minecraft sold 238 million copies. So if it's off gross sales the numbers are wildly different. Hatrick24 (talk) 13:05, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

That's not the core issue at stake with Skyrim, just one such issue. The most core issue is it's an offhand statement that Todd Howard simply throws out, a man who himself tells people not to take what he says in interviews as hard facts. This is coupled with the fact that certain amounts of Skyrim are known to have been given away for free, including every single individual who had the original release + DLC getting Special Edition for free. -- ferret (talk) 13:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Couple of things. We know that in 2016, it was reported that Skyrim sold 30 million copies. Large amounts of Minecraft are given away for free. What's your point? Plus, that doesn't account for the creation club sales in the beginning that weren't free. So yes, the content is free now. But multiple copies of iterations weren't free initial DLC, etc. We know Skyrim is one of the Nintendo Switch's top-selling games, still selling for $60–70. It's been sold multiple times on multiple platforms and people continue to buy it. It's not that unreasonable to think they, as a multibillion-dollar company, sold that many copies at this point. Hatrick24 (talk) 13:52, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

The 30 million statement also came from Todd in a random interview. No one is claiming the figure is unreasonable, or even that we doubt the figure at face value. WP:V is one of Wikipedia's core guidelines. The bottom line is we do not have an official figure provided by Bethesda as a company (not after the 20 million announcement, IIRC). We have some off hand comments by Todd in interviews, who has repeatedly told people to stop taking his interview comments as gospel. This simply isn't sufficient for us from a sourcing standpoint. -- ferret (talk) 14:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok got it, we'll see if they can get harder numbers. But still doesn't the main problem i have with this page. Are we talking gross sale numbers or copies sold? Hatrick24 (talk) 14:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. As long as the context is specifically units sold, we're generally good. What calls a number into question is when they start omitting the word "sales". "There's x number of copies/players!". Coupled with cases of games where we know there were many free giveaways, etc, that disqualifies the source for this list. We want explicitly "This amount of the game was sold." Now, if by "gross sales figures" you mean like, "We sold $450 million worth of the game", unfortunately we can't use that. We don't have a way to calculate the number of copies that represents, due to pricing variations across the world, sales like Steam/Black Friday type events, etc. There's a lot of bad sources out there that do this, "450 million divided by $60 a copy..." and give us incorrect figures. (The reverse also happens. "The game sold 20 million copies! Times $60 a copy, they made 1200 million!", but that's not actually how it works, since a company doesn't get every cent of $60, and many copies weren't sold at $60 anyway.) -- ferret (talk) 14:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Hatrick24 (talk) 15:14, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

By the way Skyrim grossed $450 million in sales by end of 2011. Multiple business data sources reported that. Hatrick24 (talk) 14:14, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Skyrim has apparently sold over 60 million copies

In a recent interview with Todd Howard, he revealed that Skyrim has over 60 million copies. Litherc (talk) 00:54, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Per below. Kazama16 (talk) 01:09, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Kazama16 This may not be enough to add. He just says "60 million copies" without saying sales, and it's unclear if that's differentiating Oldrim, Skyrim SE (which had free upgrades for some), Skyrim AE, etc. -- ferret (talk) 01:43, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

He says after 12 years so he is clearly talking about Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim alone, and he also say 60 million you can watch the video again. Kazama16 (talk) 01:48, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I did watch it. I didn't claim he didn't say 60 million. He didn't say "sold" was what I said. Nor does "after 12 years" mean "oldrim alone". Todd is also known to tell people not to quote his interviews as official. -- ferret (talk) 02:43, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I think he just mixed up some words, first he says "after 12 years of Skyrim" and at last he says "has over 60 million copies" instead of has sold 60 million copies. Kazama16 (talk) 02:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm going to oppose this. Todd Howard has made multiple statements that people shouldn't take everything he says in interviews as hard facts or figures. This was a throw away comment in the middle of a 30 minute interview. We should not take it as an official figure. @Timur9008 This is my answer to your inquiry on my user talk page. -- ferret (talk) 13:07, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! You're right we should wait for clarification. Timur9008 (talk) 13:11, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Ferret Todd Howard said himself that it has over 60 million copies so there should be no problem about it and he clearly say 60 million copies not "players" and it was not a throw away comment because he was talking about game success or how the game has come through not just about sales and he said "after 12 years" means that this sale figure was of this year so he clearly knows what he is talking about. We have so many sources about Skyrim sales besides YouTube. [6], [7], [8], [9] Kazama16 (talk) 13:49, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Ferret and also IGN [10] Kazama16 (talk) 13:53, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I like Todd, I really do. But Ferret's exactly right, he himself stated not to quote him on such numbers, and those sources appear to be quoting him from that same interview unless I'm missing something.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:32, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

These are all just reporting what Todd said. It doesn't change the fact that the source of the statement is a offhand comment in the middle of the interview. Every source on WP:VG/S could cover this and it wouldn't change the fact this is an unofficial statement by Todd in an interview. -- ferret (talk) 14:44, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Even worse, it's clear the journalists are checking this list in their reporting, such as Gamesradar declaring it the seventh best selling game... a detail they clearly pulled from this list. In short, you've created a citogenesis nightmare moving too quickly on this. -- ferret (talk) 14:48, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I just use these sources as an example although I should have only choose the IGN one. Sorry I should have listened to you but it was from Todd himself so I thought it was obvious that the sales has reached 60 million. I have no point now for discussing have a nice day bye.👋 Kazama16 (talk) 15:07, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Ferret Even GameSpot is included in this. [11] Don't know what to say now. Kazama16 (talk) 16:37, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you're not understanding me. Gamespot is just repeating the same news: Todd said this in an interview. That's it. They have not confirmed anything with Bethesda, there is no new official statement, and once again, they have checked this very article to determine the "ranking", which is WP:CITOGENESIS. It's very lazy reporting. -- ferret (talk) 16:41, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

There's not a strong case for why you're not including it in top-selling games. The problem I have with not including Skyrim is some of the other game references, such as Call of Duty Modern Warfare. Some of the references to other games are very weak and reported by their CEOs as well. So to be selective and not include a game that has been sold on more platforms than any other as well as reported by verified sites is kind of ridiculous. We also know Skyrim sold 20+ million copies by 2013. Hatrick24 (talk) 12:26, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Also to the sales vs. copies debate. There are some double standards here. When Overwatch reported copies, NOT sales, moderators were okay with it. But it doesn't apply to Skyrim. Why is this? I've looked into the references people cited, and a good amount of these games are reporting copies sold or units sold, not sales. Hatrick24 (talk) 12:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

• Strongest possible oppose adding (Redacted) An offhand comment can easily just be marketing spin, and wasn't necessarily fact-checked. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:48, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, sales figures need an official press release/company statement confirmation, not over a comment in an interview. Regardless of who made it. --ProtoDrake (talk) 17:18, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Per ProtoDrake. Took the words out of my mouth.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 19:54, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
• To be clear, the 30 million figure is also based on an interview with Howard. I certainly understand the hesitation, but if we're excluding this figure then it stands to reason that we'd exclude the previous one as well—which (I believe) would put Skyrim at 20 million. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:00, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, we need to go with official figures, not what Howard threw out randomly in an interview, which he himself tells people "don't quote my interviews as truth." -- ferret (talk) 01:12, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

  30 million unit sold is also something todd said in an interview as well and it was never released as official figures, also Todd's quote that you are repeating, he said this in context of advertising games and release dates, not sales achievement of their games. Skyrim is a household name, we shouldn't be surprised to see such a large figure. Shank19112000 (talk) 10:22, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

  No one is surprised. The issue is a failure to meet our guidelines such as WP:V and WP:RS. -- ferret (talk) 14:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

  It may be a little different because the 30 million figure was not something said by Todd Howard directly but communicated by Glixel as part of the interview ? Quand nous chanterons (talk) 20:33, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

  That... actually makes it worse. Todd didn't make any statement at all there or confirm it. Glixel just led with a question that mentioned 30 million sales with no prior announcement of such. At the time, VGChartz (an unreliable source) listed 20 million copies, while SteamSpy (Yes, it was around then, and also an unreliable source) claimed an additional 10 million copies on Steam that VGChartz didn't account for. This includes the fact that everyone who had all of Skyrim+DLC got Skyrim SE, listed separately in databases, for free. -- ferret (talk) 20:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. This is an off-hand remark in an interview with a man who has outright said things he says shouldn't be taken as hard facts. We should only add officially-reported figures that have been verified by reliable sources. JOEBRO⁶⁴ 14:38, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, we need strong sourcing for big claims like this.--Alexandra^IDV 15:28, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. The claim is not backed by any evidence. Neither is the previous number. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 22:53, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Many of the sources using Wikipedia as a source for best-selling games. However this is the only source I found which is not saying it is a "seventh best-selling game" and not using Wikipedia as a source.[12] It also gives more information about what happened during the interview and the main thing is that the article says that "Howard cites an example of Skyrim to answer the question, and reveals the updated sales figure." so I don't think he was serious when he said that it has over 60 million copies. He was just giving an example.

  Kazama16 (talk) 09:37, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

• Support. He is one of the heads the company that made the game. He is a reliable source. He must be reliable if the game's own page has it. Condontdoit296 (talk) 21:44, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

  The main article is careful to note "Todd claimed", and not give it as an official number. This is an appropriate use of the source. -- ferret (talk) 00:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2023

Remove the EA-Version of Tetris from the List. It could even be argued that the smartphone releases of those games differ enough to call them seperate games, but the reference for the Listing of Tetris (EA) talks about total sold games of the Tetris franchise since 2005 which also include the iOS Version released in 2008, but is not limited to. So its (again) counting multiple iterations of the Tetris as the same game, even though they're not. Also, an iOS Game selling 100m copies between 2008 and 2010 is highly unlikely as by the end of 2010, only 73.7m iPhones were sold. As the Article which is cited as reference was released in January 2010, this would mean that at that point, every iOS User should have owned this game, which should have spawned at least 1 other source for this. Also, I wouldn't count this EA Article as a credible source as it lacks any concrete information apart from the headline. Yamathedestroyer (talk) 18:50, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

@Yamathedestroyer Actually Tetris (EA) was first released on iPods in September 12, 2006 [13] and I think they made a mistake. They put 2005 instead of 2006. Kazama16 (talk) 07:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: closed because there is no clear consensus about what edit to make. (My !vote would be to exclude because the citation is to a self-published claim by the vendor ... as are most of the items in the entire list.) Xan747 (talk) 19:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2023

Dying Light sold 30 million copies according to techland,developer of dying light. Could it be added? Thanks! 46.37.82.195 (talk) 19:42, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:07, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: @46.37.82.195 it's about the whole franchise not a single game.[14] Kazama16 (talk) 10:45, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Skyrim should be changed too, Todd said many times, that Skyrim sold over 60 milion copies. 2001:BB6:E52:2458:BDB2:3BE4:DE85:EC48 (talk) 16:12, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

There is already a topic about it below, you can discuss with us. Kazama16 (talk) 16:27, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes this should be included. He is a producer and director of the game and it tracks with previous sales numbers. Someone keeps removing it Liamedits1000 (talk) 04:32, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Stop removing The Elderscrolls V: Skyrim from the best selling games list.

I don't know why 2 people keep removing it. But the game has sold 60 million copies as confirmed by the director and producer of the game. This is 1st hand source information and someone keeps removing it from the list. Please someone revert the most recent change and add it back. Liamedits1000 (talk) 04:31, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

You know exactly why it keeps being removed, as you read and replied to the discussions on this talk page. There is a clear and reasoned consensus not to include this figure. -- ferret (talk) 13:56, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

I saw and replied to that after, so no I didn't. You would know that if you looked at the time stamps. Liamedits1000 (talk) 19:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2023

Tears of the Kingdom has sold 130 million copies as of March 2023, I think it should be listed 192.34.130.109 (talk) 14:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

References

 Not done: The source states that the series has sold 130 million units, not Tears of the Kingdom alone. This list refers to single games, and in some cases games that were released together, only. PlanetJuice (talk • contribs) 14:15, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Sales of original Tetris and Tetris (Gameboy)

I found this [15] it says that the original Tetris which was released in 1984 sold over 125 million units and Gameboy version of Tetris sold 40 million units so can we rely on it? Kazama16 (talk) 16:52, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

The 125 million number is not usable, it speaks to the franchise as a whole across every port and platform. The Gameboy figure might be usable though. Let's see what others say. -- ferret (talk) 16:54, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree with this. The 125 doesn't apply to any one game, but the 40 one does. VentureBeat is a reliable source so I see no reason to doubt it. Sergecross73 msg me 17:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

If you did some research, you'd find it. I've put the reference below, in that entry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_best-selling_video_games#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_5_July_2023 2A02:A03F:C0B9:7C00:F03F:4757:B751:8F7C (talk) 18:09, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Tetris Mobile sales

according to several news articles quoting Henk Rogers (one of the founders and President of the Tetris Company), the mobile version of Tetris has over 425 paid sales (not counting free downloads) that would make it the best selling game in history (at leas this version of the game), I don't know if anybody else has been able to find more sources. here are some links about the interview: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/tetris-now-at-425-million-paid-mobile-downloads

https://venturebeat.com/games/mr-tetris-explains-why-the-puzzle-game-is-still-popular-after-three-decades-interview/ Zettus (talk) 14:30, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

@Zettus We know. These are really old sources and their accuracy has been repeatedly called into question. -- ferret (talk) 14:45, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2023

Far Cry 5 25,000,000 copies sold Multi Platform Ubisoft R0haandarr (talk) 13:17, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

source? Timur9008 (talk) 13:53, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:33, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2023

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim has sold 60 million units so far. It needs to be added to the list.

References: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_V:_Skyrim https://www.vgchartz.com/article/457536/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-has-sold-over-60-million-units/#:~:text=With%20over%2060%20million%20units,video%20games%20of%20all%20time. https://www.gamesradar.com/skyrim-has-sold-60-million-copies-making-it-the-seventh-best-selling-game-ever/ https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/06/skyrim-has-now-sold-more-than-60-million-copies-according-to-bethesda https://www.ign.com/articles/best-selling-video-games-of-all-time-grand-theft-auto-minecraft-tetris RemorV (talk) 09:45, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: See Talk:List of best-selling video games/Archive 9#Skyrim has apparently sold over 60 million copies. Golem08 (talk) 20:35, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2023

TOP 10 ON LIST NEED TO BE UPDATED PER JUNE 2023 - Link to IGN article below. https://www.ign.com/articles/best-selling-video-games-of-all-time-grand-theft-auto-minecraft-tetris If nothing else, give 'The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim' it's rightful spot. Thank you! HalfCycle (talk) 00:34, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: We don't include Tetris and Skyrim for reasons compliant with Wikipedia's sourcing guidelines, which have been repeatedly discussed on this talk page and can be found in the archives. Long story short, both are unofficial claims in interviews that have never been backed by the actual companies responsible. For Tetris, the number is a combination of numerous ports and remakes as well as a completely questionable figure. For Skyrim, the literal only statement about this is a single statement Todd Howard made in an hour long interview about Starfield. Todd repeatedly tells people not to use his interview statements as hard facts. That IGN doesn't follow the same criterias isn't our problem. -- ferret (talk) 01:35, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Why was Skyrim removed completely from the list? It was at 30 million on the list for years. BB1802 (talk) 07:03, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@BB1802 On review, caused by the 60 million issue, it was found that the 30 million was also a random Todd Howard interview statement as well. Zenimax and Bethesda have not announced sales since 10 million. -- ferret (talk) 13:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

20 million actually as per the press release from June 2013 [16] Timur9008 (talk) 13:27, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I was going on memory. Either way, the problem is there's been no official company statements since then. -- ferret (talk) 13:29, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

By this logic you would have to exclude Overwatch from the list too since its source is not the company itself, it's a Bloomberg article. It's just totally bizarre to leave Skyrim out of this list when the literal Wikipedia article on Skyrim cites Todd's figure of 60 million, as well as the fact that major gaming publications like IGN are taking the figure as fact (my understanding is Wikipedia should generally be following the lead of reputable media, not breaking from it). Shivj80 (talk) 14:19, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Bloomberg is reporting an actual earnings report from Activision. Interview certainly have higher levels of scrutiny, especially when the source in question, Todd Howard, is a known unreliable (and even self-declared so). All IGN confirms is that Todd Howard, in an IGN interview, said what Todd Howard said. The Skyrim article carefully cited Todd Howard's claim as "Todd Howard's claim", and not "The game has officially sold." This list required solid reliable claims. Trying to "gotcha" on this isn't going to work. If you're unhappy with it, maybe try to convince Todd to have his company officially confirm the figure. -- ferret (talk) 16:25, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2023

Change the list by adding The Elder Scrolls V:Skyrim above Super Mario Bros. as Skyrim has about 60 million copies sold. MrPeepa (talk) 13:21, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:30, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

https://www.ign.com/articles/best-selling-video-games-of-all-time-grand-theft-auto-minecraft-tetris Logosrecieved (talk) 21:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry new here didnt know there was a whole debate on the topic and decided, maybe the reason why skyrim wasn't added could be mentioned! MrPeepa (talk) 13:33, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Here's the reference: https://you_tu.be/0Gs22Sn2VMU?t=796 (remove the underscore)

Here's the transcribed passage at the time above: But we've also learned, look, we're sitting here, it's 12 years after Skyrim, we're looking at a game that has over 60 million copies, and all these people playing it, and they're still playing it.

Here's the link of the full transcribed interview: https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/14a52a7/i_transcribed_the_ign_todd_howard_interview_so/

Maybe it's time to end this endless debate and publish the accurate information. :) 2A02:A03F:C0B9:7C00:F03F:4757:B751:8F7C (talk) 18:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

No one doubts what Todd said in the interview. If that's your position you've failed to read the arguments presented. -- ferret (talk) 18:36, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

What arguments? There hasn’t been one presented besides what the other person here is saying.

I think the lead developer is a strong source. Considering other sources on this page use 3rd party entertainment publications. 2600:1700:17C0:69BF:B52C:18C0:A909:FF4F (talk) 03:38, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

It has since moved into the talk page archive: Talk:List of best-selling video games/Archive 9#Skyrim has apparently sold over 60 million copies -- ferret (talk) 03:57, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Skyrim

TES V: Skyrim, why isn't it on that list? I don't see a single valid reason why it isn't. According to an interview with Todd Howard, the director and executive producer at Bethesda Game Studios, Skyrim has sold 60 million copies in 12 years. Here's the link to the clip from the interview on IGN: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxxFKPtQVzNcMP8GAguf6B_lNWskIUnvxL Ilario4650 (talk) 11:39, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

see Talk:List_of_best-selling_video_games/Archive_9#Skyrim_has_apparently_sold_over_60_million_copies Timur9008 (talk) 12:41, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

My only hunch is that people aren't sure where to add it in. I have another source stating that it's over 60 million.... IGN. Link below. But precisely where do we put it? That's the issue. I hope somebody else with better information can resolve where to put Skyrim: https://www.ign.com/articles/best-selling-video-games-of-all-time-grand-theft-auto-minecraft-tetris Logosrecieved (talk) 21:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2023

Skyrim should absolutely be on this list, and some of the numbers are out of date.

https://www.ign.com/articles/best-selling-video-games-of-all-time-grand-theft-auto-minecraft-tetris#

This indicates that Skyrim should be near the top of this list, and not missing. JRoyGreen (talk) 19:43, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Please read the rest of the talk page. Skyrim is missing for a reason, and constantly posting the same IGN source isn't going to change the consensus. -- ferret (talk) 20:45, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

So your argument is that it's more informative not to mention the game at all than trusting what the game director, who is responsible, announced publicly? The least that should be done is listing the game and mentioning the nature of the claim. The information has been well-publicized, and the company never denied them. Moreover, 60+ million is a plausible number.

Do you think well-rounded numbers announced by other companies are 100% accurate? Take 100 million Tetris, for example (which is several times that, from other sources).

Ultimately, you have to wonder if it's more important to camp on your position because of your ego or to show the viewers what is most likely correct. If Wikipedia followed that principle throughout, there would be no pages on history because no source is 100% reliable in that field. 2A02:A03F:C0B9:7C00:D45E:728F:C7B6:C06A (talk) 08:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Short version, Wikipedia is operating on it's principles: WP:VNT -- ferret (talk) 13:20, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Cyberpunk 2077 was the latest game. Not Animal Crossing

please Update the discription 89.245.24.222 (talk) 21:13, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done. --Quand nous chanterons (talk) 21:57, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2023

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim has sold 60+ million copies, and I don't see it mentioned at all. 100.16.19.132 (talk) 18:38, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. see above sections discussing this Cannolis (talk) 18:49, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Omitted deliberately from this list by consensus at Talk:List_of_best-selling_video_games/Archive_9#Skyrim_has_apparently_sold_over_60_million_copies. -- ferret (talk) 20:45, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2023

The sentence "The oldest game in the top 50 is Pac-Man, released in May 1980, while the most recent is Cyberpunk 2077, released in December 2020." should be changed to "The oldest game in the top 50 is Pac-Man, released in May 1980, while the most recent is Pokémon Scarlet / Violet, released in November 2022." HalfDay27 (talk) 22:47, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I changed the lede to Pokémon Ruby / Sapphire / Emerald, since that was released after Violet. RudolfRed (talk) 00:40, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire were released in 2002. 100.34.43.181 (talk) 02:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)