Talk:List of bobsleigh, luge, and skeleton tracks

Kremenets

Note: Moved from my talk page to enable wider discussion.

For some reason you deleted an important information from the article. What was the reason? The very first sentence of the article states the following" “ In the world, there are a total of sixteen bobsleigh, luge, and skeleton tracks in use for competitions in bobsleigh, luge, and skeleton. ” Now, I did see the webpage the article is based on and it does not state that there are only 16 tracks in the world. It says that there are only 16 tracks registered with that organization. So... If however the wikipedia article says what I quoted I do not see a valid reason why can't any real luge tracks could be considered for inclusion with photo evidence from a very reliable source (National Information Agency Ukrinform). Respectfully, Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 04:18, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

There are a couple of problems with adding Keremets. Firstly, a google translation of the image caption contains phrases such as "will be constructed", "in finished form" and "when constructed", indicating that it is only partially built, if at all. Secondly, the picture clearly shows that it is not an artificially refrigerated track as there is clearly no refrigeration infrastructure anywhere in site. Wooden bankings are not used in artificially refrigerated tracks, though are sometimes used in natural tracks. Thirdly, I have done a thorough google search (admittedly, only in English) and have found absolutely no reference to this track. This is highly unusual because there are so few tracks, and for one in Ukraine, supposedly built in the 2000s, not to have been mentioned anywhere on the internet is, in my opinion, very, very unlikely. Additionally, the photo caption claims it is (or possibly will) be certified by the International Luge Federation but there is absolutely no mention of it anywhere on their site. Finally, the list does state that it is for tracks used in competition. To me this would mean internationally sanctioned competitions by either FIL and FIBT and neither have any mention of the track. Just like a hill I construct in my backyard and ski jump off of doesn't mean it should be included on the List of ski jumping hills page, a homemade toboggan run, which is what this appears to be to me, doesn't deserve to be mentioned on this page. The single picture is simply not enough to convince me that this track exists, is to international standards as the other tracks on the list, or will ever be completed. At this time, there is simply not enough verifiable evidence to prove its existence. Ravendrop 00:35, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, tell you the truth, Kremenets track is a training track. Nonetheless, it is still a luge track, because it is clearly not a cycling track nor running track. Am I right? So, coming back to that sentence that I mentioned before, it is very categorical and should at least be rephrased. There are number of other bobsleigh or luge tracks around the World. It is a fact. Comparing it with a backyard snowhill, does not really ridicule it. Bobsleigh training track or track for international competitions still need to be built with all safety considerations and any disregard to that can lead to fatal occurrences. The Kremenets luge track is a registered sports facility that follows all safety conditions, it has an Olympic status and is 1,000 meters long which is as long as any tracks built for international competitions. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 01:46, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

In August 2015 the Kremenec artificial luge track in Ukraine was used in an FIL-sanctioned competition with international participation. Jeff in CA (talk) 21:02, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Other luge tracks used 2015-16 in competitions with international participation

According to the International Luge Federation (FIL) document at http://www.fil-luge.org/cdn/uploads/nationale-wettbewerbe-kb.pdf, the following eight luge tracks (not on this article's list of "current tracks") are being used during 2015-16 in competitions with international participation:

• Kisovec (Slovenia)
• Kremenec (Ukraine)
• Gitschberg (Italy)
• Ilmenau (Germany)
• Imst (Austria) – three separate competitions in January 2016
• Smrzovka (Czech Republic)
• Meransen (Italy)
• Zwickau (Germany)

In December 2015 I also confirmed in a personal conversation with an FIL technical delegate from Europe that the Imst track is still in current use. Jeff in CA (talk) 20:21, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I moved the information on the Imst luge track to the "current tracks" list. Jeff in CA (talk) 20:58, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Opening paragraph states there is a 16 tracks and then the list of current tracks is 18 not to mention the tracks above? What is the current qualification to be on this list? I think that needs to be set and mentioned in the opening paragraph and then the tracks listed. This would bring the total number of tracks to 26. I think this page needs clarification on what makes a official bobsled track and then we can proceed with the list. But that just my two cents Coffeerob (talk) 00:36, 19 February 2018 (UTC)