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Lists by company

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New York City Omnibus Corporation

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These old maps provide most of the information.

# ca. 1940 1974 Current Streetcar Notes
From To Route From To Route
1 City Hall 135th Street Park Avenue - Madison Avenue South Ferry 147th Street Church Street/Lafayette Street and Broadway - Park Avenue - Madison and 5th Avenues - 139th Street - Lenox Avenue M1 Fourth and Madison Avenues Line
2 8th Street 135th Street Park Avenue - Madison Avenue N/A Fourth and Madison Avenues Line
3 23rd Street 129th Street Lexington Avenue N/A Lexington Avenue Line
4 9th Street 146th Street Lexington Avenue - 116th Street - Lenox Avenue N/A Lexington and Lenox Avenues Line
5 City Hall 59th Street Church Street - 6th Avenue N/A Sixth Avenue Line
6 South Ferry 59th Street Broadway - 7th Avenue South Ferry 59th Street Church Street and Broadway - 6th and 7th Avenues M6 Broadway Line
7 23rd Street 146th Street Broadway - 7th Avenue - 54th and 55th Streets - Columbus Avenue - 106th Street - Manhattan Avenue - 116th Street - Lenox Avenue 14th Street 146th Street 6th Avenue and Broadway/7th Avenue - 59th Street - Broadway/Amsterdam Avenue and Columbus Avenue - 106th Street - Manhattan Avenue - 116th Street - Lenox Avenue M7 Columbus Avenue Line
8 Canal Street 59th Street Varick Street - 7th Avenue N/A Seventh Avenue Line mostly became southbound M10
9 Lafayette Street 59th Street 8th and 9th Streets - Seventh Avenue N/A Seventh Avenue Line mostly became southbound M10
10 West Street 159th Street Dey Street - West Broadway - Hudson Street - 8th Avenue Vesey Street 159th Street Church Street and West Broadway - Hudson and Varick Streets - 8th Avenue and 7th Avenue/Broadway - 8th Avenue M10 Eighth Avenue Line
11 Bethune Street 125th Street 9th Avenue - Broadway - Amsterdam Avenue Bethune Street 133rd Street 10th and 9th Avenues - Amsterdam and Columbus Avenues - Amsterdam Avenue M11 Ninth Avenue Line and Sixth and Amsterdam Avenues Line
12 West Street FDR Drive Watts Street - West Broadway - Spring and Prince Streets - Bowery - Delancey Street 6th Avenue Williamsburg Spring and Prince Streets - Bowery - Delancey Street - Williamsburg Bridge N/A Metropolitan Crosstown Line
13 West Street FDR Drive Christopher and 10th Streets - 8th and 9th Streets - 10th Street West Street FDR Drive Christopher and 10th Streets - 8th and 9th Streets - 10th Street M8 8th Street Crosstown Line
14 23rd Street FDR Drive or Delancey Street West Street - 14th Street - Avenue A 23rd Street Delancey Street West Street and 10th Avenue - 14th Street - Avenue A or Avenue D M14 14th Street-Williamsburg Bridge Line
15 West Street FDR Drive 23rd Street West Street FDR Drive 23rd Street M23 23rd Street Crosstown Line numbered the M26 in 1974 (M15 was 1st Avenue/2nd Avenue)
16 West Street 1st Avenue 34th Street; spur on 10th Avenue - 42nd Street West Street 23rd Street 34th Street - FDR Drive; spur on 8th, 9th, and 10th Avenues - 42nd Street M16/M34 34th Street Crosstown Line
17 West End Avenue York Avenue 79th Street West End Avenue East End Avenue 79th Street M79 N/A
18 West End Avene 92nd Street 86th Street - York Avenue West End Avene 92nd Street 86th Street - York Avenue M86 86th Street Crosstown Line
19 West End Avenue York Avenue 96th Street West End Avenue 1st Avenue 96th Street; spur on Third and Lexington Avenues - 106th Street to FDR Drive M96/M106 N/A
20 West End Avenue FDR Drive 106th Street - Manhattan Avenue - 116th Street West End Avenue Pleasant Avenue 106th Street - Manhattan Avenue - 116th Street M116 116th Street Crosstown Line
21 West Street 26th Street Watts Street - Greenwich and Washington Streets - Houston Street - Avenue C - 23rd Street - 1st Avenue Hudson Street 29th Street Houston Street - Avenue C - 23rd Street - 1st and 2nd Avenues M21 Avenue C Line
22 FDR Drive FDR Drive Pitt and Ridge Streets - Stanton and Houston Streets N/A N/A
TB Lexington Avenue Astoria Boulevard and 139th Street Triborough Bridge (all three legs) Lexington Avenue Ward's and Randall's Islands (M34) and Astoria Boulevard (M35) Triborough Bridge (all three legs) M35 N/A numbered M34 and M35 in 1974

--NE2 14:40, 29 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

Surface Transportation Corporation

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# 1974 Current Streetcar Notes
From To Route
K - M100 3rd Avenue city line? 125th Street - Amsterdam Avenue - Broadway M100
T - M101 City Hall Fort George Park Row - Bowery - 3rd and Lexington Avenues - 125th Street - Amsterdam Avenue M101
X - M102 - Bx29 12th Avenue Bronx 125th Street - 1st and 2nd Avenues Bx15
X - M103 72nd Street York Avenue West End Avenue - 59th Street M57
B - M104 FDR Drive 129th Street 42nd Street - 8th Avenue and Broadway - Broadway - 125th Street - Amsterdam and Convent Avenues M104
X - M106 12th Avenue FDR Drive 42nd Street M42

The 10th Avenue Line (M105) was abandoned early. --NE2 14:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

Fifth Avenue Coach Company

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# Route Current Notes
1 Fifth Avenue M1 began 1886
2 Fifth Avenue - 110th Street - 7th Avenue M2 began 1901
3 Fifth Avenue - 110th Street - St. Nicholas Avenue or Convent Avenue M3/M18 began 1901 (Convent Avenue 1939)
4 Fifth Avenue - 110th Street - Riverside Drive M4 began 1900
5 Fifth Avenue - 57th Street - Riverside Drive M5 began 1900
6 57th Street - 72nd Street M30 began 1901
8 Fifth Avenue - 57th Street - Riverside Drive M5
15 Fifth Avenue - Queensboro Bridge - Jackson Heights Q32 (originally QM15, then M32) began 1925; extended for 1939/40 World's Fair
16 Jackson Heights (entirely in Queens)
20 57th Street M57 began 1934

Comprehensive Omnibus Corporation and East Side Omnibus Corporation

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# Route Current Notes
M-1 Chambers Street - Madison Street M22 Comprehensive
M-3 49th and 50th Streets M50 Comprehensive
M-7 65th Street M66 Comprehensive
M-11 57th Street - York Avenue M31 East Side
M-13 South Ferry - Allen Street - First Avenue M15 East Side
M-15 Worth Street - 2nd Avenue East Side

All M- numbers

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It appears that M- numbers were assigned to all routes, even the NYCO routes with their own numbering. I bet these were franchise numbers assigned by the city, assigned roughly in order of bustitution. The Fifth Avenue Coach Company, which got approval through the state legislature rather than the city, did not have these numbers. The routes were still using the old numbers in 1971, unless the New York Times was slow to change: [1] --NE2 13:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

# Company Route Other # 1974 # Notes
M-1 Comprehensive Madison-Chambers M22 began 1919
M-2 NYCO Spring-Delancey 12 M12
M-3 Comprehensive 49th-50th M27 began by 1930
M-4 NYCO 79th 17 M17 began 1921
M-5 NYCO 86th 18 M18 began 1936
M-6 NYCO 96th 19 M19 began 1921
M-7 Comprehensive 66th M29 began 1933
M-8 East Broadway Grand M8
M-9 East Broadway Avenue B-East Broadway M9 began 1932
M-10 NYCO Avenue C-Houston 21/22? M21 began 1929
M-11 East Side York Avenue M31 began 1933
M-12 East Side 86th-York M18?
M-13 East Side First Avenue M15 began 1933
M-14 East Side First-Second Avenues M15?
M-15 East Side Second Avenue M15 began 1933
M-16 NYCO 8th 13 M13 began 1936
M-17 NYCO 14th-Avenue A 14 M14 began 1936
M-18 NYCO 23rd 15 M26 began 1936
M-19 NYCO 34th 16 M16 began 1936
M-20 NYCO 116th 20 M20 began 1936
M-21 NYCO Lexington-Lenox 3/4 M102 began 1936
M-22 NYCO Broadway-Columbus-Lenox 6/7 M6/M7 began 1936
M-23 NYCO Sixth 5 M6 began 1936
M-24 NYCO Seventh 8/9 M10 began 1936
M-25 NYCO Madison-Fourth 1/2 M1 began 1936
M-41 NYCO Eighth 10 M10 began 1936
M-42 NYCO Ninth-Amsterdam 11 M11 began 1936
M-100 Surface Broadway-Kingsbridge M100 began 1947
M-101 Surface Third M101 began 1947
M-102 Surface 125th N/A began 1947
M-103 Surface 59th M103 began 1946
M-104 Surface 42nd-Broadway M104 began 1946
M-105 Surface Tenth-Broadway N/A
M-106 Surface 42nd M106 began 1946
Not all franchise routes were included in this list. A few were sections assigned to Fifth Avenue Coach Company; others were overlooked franchises (i.e. the three TB subroutes of New York City Omnibus).
# Company Route Other # 1974 # Notes
M-26 FACCo Penn Sta Part of M4?
M-27 FACCo Broadway
M-28 FACCo St. Nicholas Part of M3
M-29 FACCo Edgecombe Part of M2
M-30 FACCo E. 9th-10th
M-31 FACCo Jackson Hts 15 M32 began 1925
M-32 FACCo Morningside-Convent Part of M3
M-33 FACCo Riverside Part of M5
M-34 FACCo Ft. Washington Part of M4
M-35 FACCo W. 57th-8th 20 (portion) M28 (portion) began c.1934
M-36 FACCo Mt. Morris Park
M-37 FACCo Thompson-Bleecker
M-38 FACCo E. 57th 20 (portion) M28 (portion) began c.1934
M-39 FACCo E. 72nd 6 (portion) M30 (portion)
M-40 NYCO Houston 21 M21 began 1929
M-43 FACCo W. 57th-12th 20 (portion) M28 (portion) began 1937
M-44 FACCo Lewisohn Stadium 3, 5 N/A
M-45 NYCO Pitt-Ridge 22 N/A began 1935
M-46 ? W. 122 Loop
M-47 ? 7th Ave. Ext.
M-62 NYCO Manhattan-Wards Is. TB M34 began 1937
MQ-25 NYCO Manhattan-Astoria TB M35 began 1936
BxQ-19 NYCO Bronx-Astoria TB Bx21 began 1936
The numbering changes took effect July 1, 1974, so the 49th-50th Crosstown was still M-3 at the time of the 1971 Times article. – Wbwn (talk) 21:22, 12 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

"Family tree"

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Information is from [2].

Here's a good question

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If the Fifth and Madison Avenue Lines were not combined until 1966, what was the Madison Avenue Line's designation from 1962 to 1966? M23, M24, and M25 were free; is there a reason all three were left alone? [3][4] implies that it may have been the M23 or M25. --NE2 18:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

There were only two routes running along Madison prior to 1966: 1 and 2 (both under franchise M-25). When the conversions of Fifth and Madison were implemented, both lines' southbound routes were moved to Fifth (the 1 from 135th to 40th Streets, the 2 from 116th to 8th Streets); while of the old FACCo network's routes along Fifth, all but one (the Fifth Avenue-Riverside Drive-Broadway #5 route whose NB route was shifted to Avenue of the Americas a.k.a. Sixth Avenue below 57th Street) had their northbound path moved to Madison - the 2 (because they and the ex-NYCO route shared the same number, thus leading to much confusion, FACCo's 2 became 2A in the latter part of '66 up to 1974), 3, 4 and 15 (later M32, now Q32). There was no "combination" per se, one avenue's opposite direction path was moved to the other avenue.
The "M-23" designation was for what NYCO operated as 5 - Sixth Avenue, which after 1963 was folded into the 6 - Broadway-Seventh-Sixth Avenues route (original unused franchise designation "M-22"); "M-24" was for NYCO's 8/9 routes which, after 1954, were discontinued upon 10 - Eighth Avenue/Central Park West's SB route being shifted to Broadway and Seventh Avenue.
By the time of the Fifth and Madison one-way conversions, MaBSTOA had assumed operation of all FACCo, NYCO and Surface Transit routes, thus all of the original franchise numbers effectively went out the window and what was actually used by NYCO in particular, became the standard. –Wbwn (talk) 04:36, 6 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

A bit of information that needs to be added

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[5] --NE2 15:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Done. --NE2 18:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Renumbering

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The crosstown routes were renumbered between:

--NE2 18:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Listed by franchise number

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I think everything below here was granted a franchise in December 1933.
  • M16: 8th
  • M17: 14th
  • M18: 23rd
  • M19: 34th
  • M20: 116th
  • M21: Lexington-Lenox
  • M22: Broadway-Columbus-Lenox
  • M23: 6th
  • M24: 7th
  • M25: Madison-4th
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