Talk:List of castles by country

United Kingdom

The top of the page has a link to Castles in the United Kingdom. At the bottom are links to Castles in England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland. Do we need separate links?

Hearst Castle

Does "Hearst Castle" in California count as a castle?  :-) -- Zoe What about the Chateau Frontenac? Archtemplar 06:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Zoe, you should ask the person who made the last three edits. His IP starts with 65....

I have deleted the link above since, as you correctly pointed out, it is superfluous. Renata 08:53 Dec 14, 2002 (UTC)

Image

I'm going to remove that image from this page, for two reasons:

1 This is just a list page, so doesn't really need an image on it

2 No offense, but of all the Images of castles we could pick to decorate this page, that is not a very good one since it has some random geezer sat in foreground!

--Nojer2 09:47, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hey, watch your language, that was me in 1968, sat on the fence in front of the castle, and I don't like being called random ;-). No seriously, I agree that pics in lists don't look right so I support your removal of my pic. One day it can go in the yet-to-be-written Castle of Chillon article, Best Wishes, Adrian "Geezer" Pingstone - Adrian Pingstone 17:43, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Castles of Japan

I noticed that sometime ago somebody edited out the list of japanese castles. Is there a reason for this? It seems strange, especially since most of the linked castles actually have wikipedia pages for them.

• Probably a vandal. Go ahead and add them back in if they're not all redlinks. Wikibofh_(talk) 22:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Castles of Austria

what about to delete some of the Castles of Austria. I think this is not a list of all castles in the world - just the important ones should be here. why shouldn't it be a list of all of them? as long as they're actually castles, and not tree-forts, leave it in. Archtemplar 06:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

because every European country has the same number of castles and listing all - this list would be 100 m long. I think there should be only that castles, that have a site in wikipedia.

I think the point here is to create a list and later EXPAND the articles (or create some) for those castles that need more information. Rarelibra 16:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Format of this page

The format of this page is a little cofusing to me:

1. Most of the links are red; is that really useful? Can new articles be made from all of those red links? I don't know, I'm not a castle expert.
2. For some of the entries, the castle and location name are both linked, for others just the castle title is linked, and for yet others, there is no link at all.
3. Why are some of the castles in bold?
4. Why did the author decide to put in a huge number of castles, but not put all of them in (see the Germany Castles section)?

I hope the author comes back to look at this discussion page. J. Finkelstein 05:44, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I was just wondering about the bold names as well... If someone can't provide a good reason, I suggest we make them all normal. As for the other good points you bring up... does anyone have an idea? romarin [talk ] 00:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

This whole article (List) is completely out of hand.

Recommendation: For all countries with more than 10 entries, make a separate "List of castles in ...." and provide a link to it, For many countries there is already such a list, see List of castles in Poland. Why should all these castles, many only in red, be duplicated?

Syrenab 16:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I have started doing this - the lists of about 15 countries moved out so far.

I don't know whether it's sensible to include links to some high-profile castles directly on this page, as well as linking the country-specific pages. For example, Neuschwanstein or Windsor Castle, perhaps? --David Edgar 12:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Examples will only cause argument into which one is more recognized or popular. I think the rule of keeping the list for <10 and putting links for >10 is perfect. David - you're doing a great job, thank you for your work! Rarelibra 13:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! OK, I've followed this approach. Some remaining issues:

• Some sections (eg. Denmark, India) have additional castles which still may need to be merged into the country-specific pages or listed elsewhere.

Denmark is no longer an issue. I moved the few entries in this list over to the main article. Good effort to clean up the list! --SFDan 12:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

• Talk:List of castles in Poland contains a long list which need to be merged into List of castles in Poland (ideally by someone who knows the country or the language).
• Some titles (eg. "Castles of Lithuania") link to the country name, others (eg. "Castles of Latvia") don't.
• Some pre-existing sub-pages don't follow the standard naming (eg. Castles of Transylvania). (This doesn't necessarily matter; in some cases it even makes sense because of the lack of distinction between castles, palaces and forts.)

--David Edgar 12:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm thinking that Castles of Transylvania need to go under Castles of Romania (since it is a sub) ? Rarelibra 13:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I merged Castles of Transylvania into List of castles in Romania, as it only had two different castles listed. Transylvania section now removed from this page. ::Supergolden:: 11:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Good work going on here! Shouldn't all the sections be 'Castles in X', rather than 'Castles of X', in line with WP standard (see Category:Castles by country). I suppose that means moving all the 'of' subpages too at some point... Would it make sense to group the country sections by continent? ::Supergolden:: 11:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Good point - I changed the section titles. But I haven't changed any 'of' subpages yet. Agree on Transylvania / Romania - the merge is good.

I think we need a Category:Lists of castles for all the subpages now - it would be a subcategory of Category:Lists of structures, I suppose. --David Edgar 12:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I created and populated this category (Category:Lists of castles). It should be useful in quickly identifying pages with non-standard titles. --David Edgar 12:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Good work, I had a look over and moved Castles of Armenia, Castles of Austria, List of castles of Belarus, and Castles of South Tyrol to 'in' names and fixed back links from here. Think that's it. ::Supergolden:: 13:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Croatia

We don't appear to have any castles in Croatia at all. But there's a whole list on this German page. --David Edgar 19:16, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

We're going to run into such cases where we can research and borrow off the other wikis. Rarelibra 20:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Convention?

According to what? I was just trying to make things clearer. ::Supergolden:: 17:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

It's much easier with an alphabetic convention. Otherwise the user has to search twice - once to find the continent, and then again to find the country. Rarelibra 17:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, OK, if you say so. I was trying to get at the fact that castles differ greatly in different parts of the world - far eastern castles and european castles for instance, and so grouping by continent seemed to make some sense. But it was probably a fairly flawed way of showing this anyway... ::Supergolden:: 12:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it was flawed - just think that alpha order is easiest. I think it is rather humorous myself to see "castles" listed in the United States... because such a term has a 'medievil' tone, and the US history is only a few hundred years. :) Rarelibra 14:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Portugal

The Monuments of Portugal really doesn't belong here. That article lists a lot of Portugese castles, so we should filter the castles from that page and create a proper List of castles in Portugal page - ?? Rarelibra 17:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. Rarelibra 18:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Ostrogs

Can "ostrog"s in Siberia be listed as castles? Gantuya eng 02:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... according to the definition of "ostrog" - it is an ancient Russian word for palisade, later meaning jail.

The definition of a "palisade" is a steel or wooden fence or wall of variable height, used as a defensive structure.

The only other reference I found to "ostrog" was defining it as used for ...protection against traveling nomads and ...built in the south of European Russia in frontier areas and along borders. Like the "wild west" of the US and it's forts to protect against the natives, the ostrog sounds a lot like a fort or fortress.

If I am not mistaken, an ostrog is not, by definition, a castle. It is, rather, a type of Fortress or fortification?

Rarelibra 12:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you.

Then what is the justification of listing "kremlins" and the "Chinese wall" as castles? Gantuya eng 14:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

A 'kremlin' IS, by definition, a castle. And the Great wall of China is not listed here, so I don't know what you refer to? Rarelibra 14:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

OK. How is "kremlin" different from a "city wall"? Why is a "Chinese city wall" listed as a castle? Gantuya eng 00:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

You aren't making sense! There are only EIGHT listings for PRC (China) - and a wall is not one of them. Also, the definition of kremlin is "the Russian word for "fortress", "citadel", or "castle" and refers to any major fortified central complex found in historic Russian cities." It is BY DEFINITION a castle or citadel, which is what this page lists (or refers to main articles by country list). Forts, fortresses, walled cities and such do NOT qualify for this list... unless they are combined, like Switzerland. Rarelibra 03:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)