Talk:List of cattle breeds

Reformat

I am planning on undertaking a major reformatting on this page, separating the breeds into Dairy, Beef and Draft breeds. I'll also try to create articles (or stubs) on all missing breeds. Abbott75 02:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

All articles are now categorised into appropriate sections. I will now continue researching and creating missing stubs. You can help! - Abbott75 07:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Looks great! I'll try to help out. -- Bovineone 15:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

May I just say that while the detail is impressive there are some errors for correction. Having Jersey cattle under dual purpose is wrong,this is about the worst beef breed ever, you sometimes can't give bull calves away. They are present under dairy, this is sufficient. Also, in the uncategorized section, listing "American" Brown Swiss, "French" or "Austrian" Simmental etc. is unnecessary, as these are just the different countries' herd book names for the same breed. You can say "Canadian" or "British" Holstein, but there is still only one breed and one article. Regards. Tractorboy60 07:50, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I have fixed a few of the problems that you have mentioned. Feel free to make any further edits that you feel are appropriate. Abbott75 ☺ 10:14, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm beginning to see more to this problem. There are in fact links to separate breed societies such as French Simmental whereas common sense says this is just the French herdbook of the Simmental breed. This is inaccurate and I intend to look into this and correct the errors or recommend merges with references. I am sure the authors of these were writing in good faith.Tractorboy60 20:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I am by no means a cattle expert, I merely maintain this page because domestic animal breeds are an interest of mine. Please, feel free to correct any inaccuracies you come across and merge where necessary! Abbott75 ☺ 23:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I will do this but as I'm sure you've already found, the need to accurately reference is very time-consuming.Tractorboy60 09:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Uncategorised breeds

The uncategorised breeds section of this article is one that really needs the attention of someone more knowledgeable than me. It is currently a self-reference section, and they are frowned upon on Wikipedia. Abbott75 ☺ 23:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Taurine/indicus cattle

I have changed "cattle proper" to "taurine cattle" throughout this article.

"Cattle proper" simply won't do. It implies that somehow indicus (and hybrid) cattle are not cattle. They are. It would be no less meaningful to say that indicus cattle are the "proper" cattle. It seems to me that the use of "proper" for either type amounts to cultural or geographic bias, or indeed both. It can be avoided easily by using the term "taurine". Unless anyone can think of a better term? --Richard New Forest (talk) 21:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Primitive cattle

"Somewhere in England" there is a herd of primitive cattle - which are they? Jackiespeel (talk) 16:10, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Chillingham Cattle have been left to their own devises for several centuries in a large walled park and are effectively wild. --Charles (talk) 17:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

It probably is the Chillinghams being referred to. They are reputed to be descended directly from wild aurochs, and are genetically distinct – although in fact they are probably not any more "primitive" than other White Park cattle, or indeed other traditional breeds, such as Sussex cattle, Highland cattle, Kerry cattle or my own British Whites. They do live wild though, with no castration and no human intervention apart from feeding hay (apparently they won't eat cake). --Richard New Forest (talk) 18:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I think these are the beasties - they are mentioned on TV occasionally. Jackiespeel (talk) 16:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Tanglin

Looking for information on a breed of cattle that has prefix "Tanglin" in it. Thanks Tim Ross Timross1 (talk) 08:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC) advisor@timothyross.com

Hybrids

The introduction describes hybrids as hybrid between taurine and indicus, or as hybrid between one of those and another type, such as bison. Yet the list of mixed-use hybrids contains several breeds only identified as taurine hybrid. Hybrid with what? Examples: Amerifax, which is a mix of two taurine breeds, hence not a hybrid; Groningen and Limpurger, which are traditional European (taurine) breeds, not hybrids. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.65.138.158 (talk) 01:56, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

This is a wiki. If you have the knowledge and reference sources please help us out by correcting these points.--Charles (talk) 10:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, a hybrid may also be between different breeds (see Hybrid (biology)), so in fact the annotation is strictly accurate – and crossing other breeds is a very common origin for domestic breeds. However, I agree that it ought to be clearer which are hybrids between breeds and which are hybrids between subspecies or species. Richard New Forest (talk) 15:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I moved all taurine-only hybrids back into the main lists. Except I left two Mongolian/taurine cattle breeds in the hybrid list. Mongolian cattle have been found to have something like 20% zebu mtDNA which seems significant. On the other hand, Texas Longhorn and mixes (Salorn, Texon) are on the main list despite Longhorn probably having some zebu heritage. Rmhermen (talk) 17:51, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Organization

I think organizing this list like the List of sheep breeds would be a better way than its current organization. Before i put the work into doing it all i would like others opinions on it though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manofgun (talk • contribs) 01:33, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Well...I see some problems with the sheep page. It isn't sortable by use. It uses a table where one may not be necessary. And the need for a separate column for zebu/taurus/hybrid here which will say taurus (or be blank) in almost all cases will be ugly and the different ones will likely be lost in the forest. Rmhermen (talk) 04:33, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, i would like to add some list by country, as i think that would also be a good way to organize it. Do you have any suggestions as to how I should do it?Manofgun (talk) 06:03, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

tables

Look at my tables vs your tables. It is the same except for 4 pixels below a title. It also meets accessibility guidelines for tables. Bgwhite (talk) 03:57, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Table of contents has nothing to do with the table of cattle breeds. They are independent of each other. No reason to revert tables when all you had to do was add a section heading. Bgwhite (talk) 04:36, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

The present form works fine and let us maintain the status quo. Cheers. ~ Irrigator ^talk 04:48, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I disagree. We have here nice tables with multiple options, but to sort the information for example for country lists or dairy you have to do it one letter at a time. If it were so that all the breed are in the same table, it would be more useable. Like it is in the List of dog breeds. --Tuiverrus (talk) 08:44, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Chinese breeds

This page [1] mentions 4 or 5 that aren't on our list yet. But why do we currently have Chinese Pied alphabetized under "Chinese" but Chinese Central Yellow is at "Central" and Chinese Northern Yellow is at "Northern" (I forgot where Chinese Southern Yellow was if at all). We need to pick one way to list these. Rmhermen (talk) 21:55, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Sanga

There is an inconsistency with the Sanga cattle page, where it is said to be "Bos taurus africanus", not "Bos taurus indicus" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.132.211.126 (talk) 00:41, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Bos taurus africanus was a proposal which has not been accepted. Most sources show only three subspecies.[2] [3] Rmhermen (talk) 19:15, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

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Questioning some "breeds"

Below are a few "breeds" that my limited knowledge leaves my questioning their status as a "breed" vs a duplicate. Please cite and prove me wrong.

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Breed	Wiki Article	Duplicate of?	Notes	Suggestion if no citation/evidence/dispute is provided of being a separate breed.
American Angus	False	Angus cattle	Can someone point to a reference of this being a separate breed from Angus cattle	Remove American Angus from the list
American Brown Swiss	Brown Swiss cattle	Brown Swiss	These both link to the same article, and the article gives both names in the opening sentence.	Remove American Brown Swiss from the list (adding "AKA American Brown Swiss" under the other column of Brown Swiss
American Beef Friesian Argentine Friesian Finnish Holstein-Friesian Thai Friesian	FALSE	Holstein Friesian cattle	Can someone point to a reference of these being a separate breed from Holstein Friesian cattle or Friesian cattle without (any/major) influence from Holstein The following are all listed in Oklahoma State's Breeds of Livestock Project as breeds: Australian Friesian Sahiwal, Dutch Friesian, Holstein Friesian, and Swedish Friesian. Is the American Beef more about the fact that Holstein are used as a beef cow?	Remove any without sources as a separate breed from the list.

Preston A. Vickrey (humbly) (talk) 15:11, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the page should be better sourced. For most of these you can consult Valerie Porter, Lawrence Alderson, Stephen J.G. Hall, D. Phillip Sponenberg (2016). Mason's World Encyclopedia of Livestock Breeds and Breeding (sixth edition). Wallingford: CABI. ISBN 9781780647944; you may also find the DAD-IS listing here] helpful. The American Angus is described on page 105 of Mason. Many, many countries have a local breed of Friesian. Finnish Holstein is page 176 in Mason, I don't see anything for the Thai or Argentinian variants, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. The Brown Swiss is the American derivative of the Braunvieh, so American Brown Swiss is just another name for it. The list is still gravely incomplete, of course. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:27, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

About the list

Hi! This list is not complete. Even in the categories there are more names. DenesFeri (talk) 09:59, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

WP:SOFIXIT. Anyone can edit. Even a list on this page of missing entries for the article could be helpful. This list also contains many breeds that Wikipedia has no article on. If you have special interest, you could turn some red links blue by creating new articles. Rmhermen (talk) 17:24, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Black Angus

Hello @Justlettersandnumbers: Black Angus appears to be a breed. What makes you think it's not? Invasive Spices (talk) 15:33, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, I don't know, Invasive Spices, just little things, like the fact that it is not reported to DAD-IS by any country in the world, or the fact that it isn't mentioned even in passing in comprehensive sources such as Valerie Porter, Lawrence Alderson, Stephen J.G. Hall, D. Phillip Sponenberg (2016). Mason's World Encyclopedia of Livestock Breeds and Breeding, sixth edition (see page 15 of the index) or Barbara Rischkowsky, Dafydd Pilling (editors) (2007). List of breeds documented in the Global Databank for Animal Genetic Resources, annex to The State of the World's Animal Genetic Resources for Food and Agriculture. Rome: Commission on Genetic Resources for Food and Agriculture, Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, ISBN 9789251057629. Of course, Aberdeen Angus cattle are very often black and American Angus almost invariably so (since the red ones can't be registered), but that doesn't make it a breed.

What makes you think that it might be one? And if it is, in what country or countries is it recognised? Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

• The fact that it's a redirect and listed as an alias on the Abderdeen page. It needs to at least be a "see elsewhere..." on this list. Invasive Spices (talk) 16:24, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, I've removed that, as it was unsourced. What sources do you find that suggest that this is a breed? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

• None. I'm merely trying to have certainty about what the correct answer is. In any case it needs some kind of "see elsewhere" explanation since it will obviously be a common question readers will have. Invasive Spices (talk) 18:50, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

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