Talk:List of cities in the Gaza Strip

Merge

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested merge. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved, but renamed per what seems as consensus.Greyshark09 (talk) 18:06, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

---

It has been proposed that this article List of cities administered by Hamas Administration be merged into List of cities administered by the Palestinian National Authority. Please vote.Greyshark09 (talk) 08:31, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose - the logic for creating this article is simple - the Hamas administration control the cities of Gaza Strip from 2007 ([1], [2]), which is a notable time to create an article on this administrative topic.Greyshark09 (talk) 08:31, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support The issue here is that both the Haniyeh-led government in Gaza (Hamas) and the Fayyad/Abbas-led government in the West Bank (PLO) each claim to represent the actual Palestinian Authority (PNA). The Hamas party won the 2006 PNA parliamentary elections. They claim that Abbas's mandate as President is expired and that the Speaker of the Parliament and one of their own, Aziz Duwaik, is now the legal President of the Palestinian National Authority. It's not Wikipedia's place to officially separate the two administrations which both claim to be the legitimate government of Palestine, not of the Gaza Strip or West Bank. Despite the constant postponements and deadlocks, the two factions are still concluding a unity agreement, at least officially. The best we could do is to mention, in all of the relevant articles, the ongoing situation that has effectively split Palestinian politics since 2007. An article on the governance of Gaza is warranted, but it doesn't substitute as an article of a legal entity such as the PNA and all of the articles such as this one that branch out of the PNA category. It only explains the governance of the Gaza territory since 1993. --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:18, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

North and South Koreas are the perfect example for similar situation - both claiming to represent the legal Korean government, which got irreversibly divided in the civil war in early 1950s (separation began in 1945). However both have achieved a UN member-state status, while both claiming to be named "Korea" and declaring sovereign rule over the entire Korean peninsula.Greyshark09 (talk) 07:06, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support, Al Ameer son is spot on. And the situation of the two Koreas is not analogous. The ROK and DPRK were founded parallel to each other, neither 'broke out' of the other. The PNA is not, and does not claim to be, a sovereign state. And Hamas has not, in any way, proclaimed Gaza as a separate entity from the PNA. They merely dispute the legality of the government in Ramallah. If the Hamas-led government in Gaza would proclaim some sort of independence and seek representation in international organs, that would be a totally different matter, but there are no such developments. We can compare with the Libyan situation, the fact that there were (and still are?) two governments claiming to be the legal government didn't mean that Libya ceased to exist as a country. --Soman (talk) 10:06, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
• OpposeNow that this article has been renamed "List of cities in the Gaza strip" it has a proper scope. The Hamas regime/Fatah regime reason that was the bases for the merge request is now moot. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 10:26, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested merge. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merge

Merge this article with List of cities administered by the State of Palestine. Please vote. --Bolter21 (talk to me) 21:00, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

• Support: The main article already have the division between Gaza and West Bank. There is no reason to have those two articles and the Hamas controll can be written in the SoP article. --Bolter21 (talk to me) 21:02, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
• Support I agree with Bolter21. One article about cities in the Palestinian territories is enough, regardless if Hamas or Fatah controls the area. --IRISZOOM (talk) 18:55, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose - simply because Gaza is not in fact administered by State of Palestine administration in Ramallah - they have their own Hamas administration in Gaza. Furthermore, list of cities in Gaza enclave can exist regardless of the politically defined administration of certain party, as long as Gaza enclave is a joint administrative/geographic area.GreyShark (dibra) 21:38, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
• Comment The Gaza Strip has not seceded from the State of Palestine, of which it is still officially part, even though it is under the de facto administration of Hamas, which also is still part of the Palestinian government through the Palestinian Legislative Council. However, I don't know if I could support the proposed title. Greyshark has a point because the phrase being used here is "administered by", which is confusing because the government administering the West Bank isn't the same government administering the Gaza Strip, even if both territories are still a part of the State of Palestine. (This situation could change tomorrow of course, but for the time being ...) Wouldn't "List of cities in the State of Palestine" be the better, albeit still imperfect, option? --Al Ameer (talk) 23:26, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

State of Palestine is super problematic.. Since I have yet to find (or be provided with) a source that say "The State of Palestine administrate blah blah blah.." I guess we should go with WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIAL policies. Even though the UN say they now call it SoP and the PNA say the same, the Palestinian Authority is still the common name by all means and Palestinian Territories are still used by UN organizations and Palestinians to refer to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (source). Since "Cities adm. by the PNA" is problematic, I offered "Cities in the Palestinian Territories". --Bolter21 (talk to me) 11:38, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Language in the body text needs updating to match the title

Hamas don't / didn't directly control the municipal government. They control a parallel national government, but they boycotted the most recent municipal elections (I don't remember why, but nobody involved was behaving very cooperatively that year). Officially they're independent mayor's etc. their full independence is questionable, but still better described as "in the Hamas controlled Gaza Strip" than "controlled by Hermes government" unless we want a very messy complicated political background section. We can probably have a list page that just says "in the Gaza Strip" without a citation to explain that, but for who runs it we would need to dig into some messy politics that got very little coverage in English. LagoonGoose (talk) 03:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)