Talk:List of dams in Saudi Arabia
Latest comment: 2 years ago by Zeugma fr in topic Proposed deletion of Sitae Alhven Dam
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(copy of a discussion about dams in Saudi Arabia, for archive.)
It seems it's one of 400+ similar seasonal water dam in Saudi Arabia, used for irrigation. No source available for its current use/whereabouts/origin. So yes it's not notable.
I created this article because at the time, the google map (or google earth, don't remember which) image of it was a full body of water in the middle of a desert, a kind of eye-catching feature. That prodded me to find more about it, and discover it was a dam in the middle of the desert.
Maybe the best place for it would be to be listed (with geo coords?) in the article List of dams in Saudi Arabia.
--Zeugma fr (talk) 02:10, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- I was looking around if I was able to find some sources (just in case I missed something really important), and found that most of the dams in Category:Dams_in_Saudi_Arabia are actually the same as the one I wrote: a one-liner, nearly all of them are for water management purpose, and nearly all have as source/reference a Scribd paywalled document that is only a list of dams. So, I'm not invocating a Pikachu defense here, but shouldn't all these dam been regrouped under a more general article like "Water management in Saudi Arabia" or something like this ? -- Zeugma fr (talk) 11:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- I was wondering the same thing about it's purpose, Zeugma fr. I figured as well that it was some sort of torrential rain management system. To the heart of the matter: I read through the references in the article List of dams in Saudi Arabia and they are in very poor shape. Two are 404'd and the last is an exposition on water management. Arguably useful to the list. Still, per WP:SOURCELIST, it is generally considered a criteria for inclusion to have at least one reliable source. The notability criterion I used for analyzing this specific dam was WP:NBUILDING, specifically point 3: artificial features related to infrastructure. Where their notability is unclear, they are generally redirected to more general articles. However, there are no such redirects to the Dams in Saudi Arabia page, and the list guideline asks for at least one source. Additionally, I doubt the articles that have that paywalled document as a single source would survive AfD, with many being blank-and-redirected. I'd like to see if anyone has an objection to the PROD because our guidelines on these things are a bit hazy. I mean, WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE is a thing and we don't have an article on every single piece of infrastructure. If it had some sort of notable coverage or was designed by a leading architect, or something, I'm sure it would be notable. Right now, I don't think it is. Best regards, Jip Orlando (talk) 13:33, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- So yes, we are on the same page, this one has to be removed (per WP:GNG: nothing special about it). At the end of the 7 days, if you don't do it, I'll put a speedy del in.
- For the most general problem of water management dam in Saudi Arabia, I found this: Fanack Water which could make a basis for rewriting (they have sources, I'm just not sure about their neutrality on the subject), and this: Kingdom of Saudi Arabia- UNDP.
- Also King Saud University seems to have a department dedicated to water ressources management, but I have the impression that the list on scribd is actually part of the working papers of the professor in charge, so it's basically paywalled.
- I'll put a copy of our exchange in the talk page of List of dams in Saudi Arabia, just to keep an archive of it linked to the subject.
- Cheers, -- Zeugma fr (talk) 11:45, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- So yes, we are on the same page, this one has to be removed (per WP:GNG: nothing special about it). At the end of the 7 days, if you don't do it, I'll put a speedy del in.
- I was wondering the same thing about it's purpose, Zeugma fr. I figured as well that it was some sort of torrential rain management system. To the heart of the matter: I read through the references in the article List of dams in Saudi Arabia and they are in very poor shape. Two are 404'd and the last is an exposition on water management. Arguably useful to the list. Still, per WP:SOURCELIST, it is generally considered a criteria for inclusion to have at least one reliable source. The notability criterion I used for analyzing this specific dam was WP:NBUILDING, specifically point 3: artificial features related to infrastructure. Where their notability is unclear, they are generally redirected to more general articles. However, there are no such redirects to the Dams in Saudi Arabia page, and the list guideline asks for at least one source. Additionally, I doubt the articles that have that paywalled document as a single source would survive AfD, with many being blank-and-redirected. I'd like to see if anyone has an objection to the PROD because our guidelines on these things are a bit hazy. I mean, WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE is a thing and we don't have an article on every single piece of infrastructure. If it had some sort of notable coverage or was designed by a leading architect, or something, I'm sure it would be notable. Right now, I don't think it is. Best regards, Jip Orlando (talk) 13:33, 25 March 2022 (UTC)