Talk:List of electronic music genres/Archive 1

Archive 1

Changes and reasoning

FYI, I changed the genre "Hardcore techno" by removing the "techno" part. "Hardcore techno" was misleading because it assumed that everything hardcore could also be considered techno. I disagree. EmJAY 23:10, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree completely that "Hardcore techno" is wrong. The title of Hardcore techno should be changed to just Hardcore. TheDapperDan 21:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

while i agree with shortning article names for subgenre footers, hardcore techno is rather separate to breakbeat hardcore. i recently created hardcore dance music which has some info on genres that have been called 'hardcore', but as it is used to refer to genres so far apart it's not really valid as a genre on this list. genre names that refer to more than one sound are kinda problamatic with a 2-teir style list like this. --MilkMiruku 00:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Splitting and merging issues

I suggest to split the Electronic music article in two parts, the first can merge with Electronic art music and the second with the Electronica article.skysurfer 03:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Fixed'd

I just did an overhaul of the main genres page. I pretty much removed all the stubs that had no feasible existance. Most of them were either types of music with a country infront or different types of psytrance, which should fall under psytrance itself. FreeLance FoX 04:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

So, now Synthpop is a "subgenre" of Electronic art music? That's ridicolous, this whole list is ridicolous. --''skysurfer'' 06:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I had nothing to do with that.; Electronic Art music was made maybe a week ago by someone who seemed to know what they were talking about. However, you're right about synthpop. I'll fix that. FreeLance FoX 14:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Uh, "Rave music" in psytrance genre? Why? Also, those psygenres shouldn't be removed in my opinion, unless Infected Mushroom & Xenophobe are in the same subgenre, but they're very far from each other. If the problem was those styles haven't got correct definition I'll try to dig up sources, and wrote one for them. I also noticed Nitzhonot is removed, which is really much a noticable sub-style, since it's the combination of anthem-trance & goa. It's played by artists like Eyal Barkan (who's the most noticeable), X-Men, Goldenfinger, and there are tracks by even Astral Projection & Yahel in that style. The Melodic Morning compilations in that style too. There's killerspy/horrortrance too, (I don't know how it's called) played by artist like Xenophobe, Para Halu, etc. As I said, I'll try to make articles for these subgenres in the future... --TaZaR 22:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying those genres don't exist. The reason why some of them were removed was because they didn't have any sources and I couldn't vouch for them. The other thing was someone had added a bunch of genres that were just a genre with a country infront. That doesn't make it a different genre! If it has a specific other name and notable artists or albums, it IS a genre. That's my 2 cents. Also, if I deleted nitzhonot I apologize. I've heard of that one. Peace dude, FreeLance FoX 23:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Right, I understand, and your right about it. I'll try to write definition for those styles with correct/credible sources. --TaZaR 21:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Metallica & UK Psytrance

Okay a question: What are these genres exactly? UK Psy is like Juno Reactor, or what? If I remember correctly I've been never heard that expression yet. Metallic(a?) is stands for psytrance tracks with electronic guitar used in them I guess. That's a quiet dabateable thing, Ishkur called it Buttrock Goa in his guide, otherwise I haven't really remember mentioning it as a separated style. The other problem is, a lot of thoose tracks ar already different genres, just some of them has guitar. For example Xenomorph has thoose horrorpsy/killerpsy tracks, and some of them has guitars. Or 1200mics/SUN Project both playing "standard" (traditional, basic, classic, whatever), and has some guitared tracks too. Or Skazi, his style is different too. (by the way how it's called? hard psytrance? there are a lot of artist from that style -GMS, Technodrome, etc- and all of them called just psytrance, however it's not classic psy, and neither fits to the current or past genres, like dark, suomisaundi, SA, psytechno, full on, etc.) So basically psy + electronic guitar is not a genre itself, just there are tracks from different styles with guitars. But correct me, if I'm wrong. Or that metallic psy goes for Skazi's style? Hope someone knows the answer, I'm really into this topic. --TaZaR 12:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Dance

I've got a question:

if Electronic Dance music is Electronic music, why is it not posted on the list with its own subgenres? This doubt comes to me since I was trying to classify Paul Van Dyk, just let me know if it'd be correct:

Genre: Electronic.

Subgenre: Electronic Dance.

Performer: Paul Van Dyk.

SALUX!!!
EOZyo (мѕğ) 04:03, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

new age: contradiction

Quote from new age music: "Ambient music in fact became an important sub genre of New Age Music." While in the list of electronic music genres, New Age is a sub-genre of Ambient. This is an abvious contradiction, let alone the fact that both views are at least questionable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stardancer (talk • contribs) 21:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC). - User:Stardancer

yes you are right. If I try to fix something relevant to popular electronic music genres I get a headache. Will Wikipedia pay the pills for me? It will take at least 1 or 2 years in order to delete and fix the misrepresentation of the real world that ravers (rave subculture members) have put here on this Wiki.Dr. Who 01:15, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

How about just ditching the tree approach?

Whoever said that this article needs to be organized as a tree? I.e. that every "subgenre" has to be under only one "main genre" exactly? I propose a chronological approach insted to dodge the eternal and unfruitful "is X part of genre A or genre B?" quarrels. This table could be a good example for what I mean, even if languages do usually conform to a tree stucture better than genres. So on the 1st row we'd have the 50s/60s with minimalism, musique concrete etc; a bit later in the 70s, disco, Düsseldorf School, Berlin School etc; at the turn of the 80s, house, industrial, ambient etc; and then we get techno, then trance, and after the table reaches the 90s we can start cramming in all the niche genres, and what's important, they needn't be placed strictly under a single "parent" genre. Now it won't probably be possible to represent all the influences on a 2D chart, but this could at least be an improovment. --Tropylium 18:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a lot of work... which came first, Funky house or Ghetto house, and your source please?

Augh, no, I'm not hoping to get out of the oven into that fire. The idea wouldn't be to have a strictly chronological listing, but a generic era-based approach. Judging by the articles, those would probably both go to the "erly 90s" block, except Ghetto closer to where ever we'd have placed Rap. Or something to that extent. I'm really just copying this idea from Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music. :)

I doubt anyone would oppose the addition of a chronologically based list to this article, though I'm not sure it should replace the tree organization. I feel they could co-exist. Go ahead and build it! ∴ here…♠ 20:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Welll... I have absolutely no real expertize in any kind of electronic music after the mid-80s, and even before that, it's questionable, since I wasn't actually around to witness it; I'd have started work first and giv'n heds-ups second had I thought I could do it myself. Just throing out ideas, here. --Tropylium 14:33, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Why did U have to mess with it, it was just fine, just few months ago, before U re"made" it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.252.80.81 (talk) 21:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

True Steppa

First of all, the "electronicmusicstyles" link is no good because it is a Wikipedia mirror. So, I deleted it. True Steppa, the "funky house" thing has vague, inadequate data that makes no sense. It doesn't belong on the "list of electronic music genres" page. It is not an opinion. You have to have good, relevant data for inclusion. It has nonsensical data that is mostly from Wikipedia. It's not good. Fclass (talk) 14:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Funky is a notable music style - see Google. And there're no rules for writing "list of electronic music genres". --True Steppa (talk) 17:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, can anyone tell me...

What da heck is going on? I remember this page was OK, just few months ago and now it's ruined. Egz., why da hell is Electronic body music separate from Industrial, when it's a subgenre of industrial??? And that's only one example of 100000 of them, but I'm so pissed of right now, I'm speechless... Why did you do this, when it was all perfect and well explained? And who messed up the "List of music genres" page, when it had everything and now it doesn't even exsist?! Now there are just styles and bunch of them are same things with different titles. Man, this was the only good music encyclopedia ever, now it doesn't make any sence. Sorry about this, but I will be honest and say thet you ruined it, who ever you are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.252.80.81 (talk) 21:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

How exactly is the page ruined? It's perfect as it is. Are you responding to me? Fclass (talk) 19:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

What exactly does it "explain"? Not every link leads to another page that has anything to do with music (i.e. Power Electronics) ... as a non-expert, I'm pretty lost. 90% of the sub-genre names are only used by true fans.

How about a diagram? If it's a mix of Björk, A Split Second and Pantera, what would be a reasonable name? X-axis: Pain level in the eardrums, Y-axis: Sophistication (can be related to speed, variation, soulfullness ...) - find a better name for it, I wouldn't want to insult anyone.

As it is, the page is an interesting collection of mystical words, nothing more.

PS.: Another suggestion: Put in a link to this page: Electronic Music Styles (Electronic Music Genres) and remake the rest into something useful. 62.216.212.167 (talk) 15:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I do not know who I responded to I just remember I saw a good page and took it as something worth reading... Let's put it this way: Where is "Agrotech" page, I remember that existed... No more complains, for now :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.252.80.81 (talk) 16:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

"Tracker music" is not a genre

The first thing that sticks out from this article is that tracker music is being listed as a subgenre of Chiptune. This is incorrect; trackers are musical software capable of emulating countless different styles, and all songs created using trackers cannot be explicitly categorized under one electronic music genre. Please do not confuse equipment with genres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.217.48.30 (talk) 12:23, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Add Hands Up to this list

Hands Up needs to be on this list. See: [1] Rgs258 (talk) 04:13, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Pathetic

Please let's remove elecronic art music, electroacoustic and any reference to academic/contemporary forms of music made with electronics: the "popular music" "genres" that are listed here are just the crazy dreams of a class of trolling-fake-artists that aren't even aware of what they are doing. No scholar in the world would ever take them seriously . Btw, the "everywhere" quoted and mentioned Brian Eno did ever receive any academic recognition assessment for his work in the music theory fileld? Just a question....--Doktor Who (talk) 16:34, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Music goes not need "academic recognition" to be considered music. All these artists you call "trolls" (what, all electronic musicians without formal training?) don't have an interest in music theory, just an interest in actual music. You're probably right that it won't be possible to find academic sorces for the existence of most of these genres, however that is not a general requirement for verifiability.

Your correction suggestion sounds a little bizarre. Surely you don't think being listed among "popular" genres somehow lessens the value of academic electronic music? It should rather be the unverifiable randomly coined latest-fashion genres that should be deleted. Or do I misunderstand? --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 15:45, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, you misunderstood almost everything I wrote. I was going to delete that stuff about mr Eno, but it's too late I guess. I am just asking whether Eno's work as a musical theorist, his essays, have ever gained some form of academic assessment. This is an interesting point, but regardless its consequences here, it's a misplaced question, better to discuss on this at Talk:Brian Eno.

With regard to the so called electronic music "subgenres", I am sure that "music genres is a topic in the field of musicology, and that it deserves a more serious approach, verifiability in this case can't be a matter of fashion, fanzines, web-zines, words of mouth, common sense or whatsoever. Thank you for your attention.Doktor Who (talk) 17:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Hm. I just came to the talk page to see if there had been any discussion of the branch of modern classical music called "electronic music," that was important in the 50s and 60s, with composers like Morton Subotnik. When I hear the phrase, "electronic music," I think of that as much as I think of popular music. There is a category called Electroacoustic music composers... To me, the fact that the article on "electronic music" is like this article and is not a disambiguation page instead shows a rather extreme pop-culture bias. Rlitwin (talk) 20:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Crack House?

The house section had "Crack house" listed. As far as I know that is not a music genre, though I may mistaken. However, the article linked was certainly not about a music genre (but rather about the urban phenomenon of abandoned property being used for illegal drug sales). So if this is a legit genre someone should create a new article. I removed the entry from the list. 80.213.252.167 (talk) 17:29, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Its a hard one to search for given its other meaning. Certainly it didn't link to a music genre article so you were probably right to remove it. We can always put it back is someone finds a reliable source.--SabreBD (talk) 17:51, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Hardstyle under trance, what?

Who the hell is messing with the links, Hardstyle is not related to trance at all. I suggest that someone fixes it.

It most certainly is, learn the history of your genre, hardstyle is just really hard hardtrance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.77.113.28 (talk) 14:26, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Hip Hop: Electronic music?

Much like contemporary R&b is listed under breaks so should hip hop, anyone trying to deny hip-hops origin and production technique being mostly or traditionally using electronics - january 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.57.14 (talk) 02:16, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Though not traditionally thought of as 'electronic music', most hip hop would fit the defintion. Should it be included on this list? --Frantik 14:47, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

tough call. as you suggest, it could be argued that the majority of hip-hop could fall under the definition of electric music, but on the other hand hip hop was originally based on the use of breaks and vinyl and "the instrumentation of hip-hop is descended from disco, funk, and R&B", and although the use of drum machines and samplers and other digital instrumentation is common in hip hop today i would argue against any specific listing of it's subgenres on this page. although saying that, the hip hop subgenre electro and it's descendants are already listed here. anyway, there already exists List of genres of hip hop, so maybe a mention of that (and to other genres that use digital/electronic equipment) might be an idea? --MilkMiruku 19:18, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree completely that hip-hop belongs in this list. It's funny that most people don't normally associate hip-hop with electronic music. I suppose they feel that can't be gangster and like what they call techno at the same time. At any rate hip-hop is almost always completely sequenced and synthed, and often times, aside from the vocals, is completely electronic. As to where it belongs, I would say breakbeat. TheDapperDan 20:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Hip-Hop is definitely electronic music. In its early days it may have been more common to loop breaks in vinyl as opposed to create tracks using samplers and drum machines, but the same could be said of house music. Distinguishing between the different subgenres is also vitally important in places - the differences between mainstream and underground hip-hop, and the attitude of the scenes and the people producing it, are enormous. I agree that it would belong in the breakbeat section as a hip-hop track without vocals sounds like a slowed down and more minimalist breakbeat track - Ishkur's guide to electronic music places it in this category anyhow. Zeibura 17:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Hip hop is NOT classified as electronic music. --JHP (talk) 10:35, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Why not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.77.113.28 (talk) 14:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Psychadelic?

as in its the psychedelic sub genre of trance, psytrance, its short for psychedelic trance, so instead of repeating the obvious...its called that because of the new age, eastern, and psychedelic flavors, like the sound in goa-jan 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.57.14 (talk) 02:20, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I use this page quite frequently to brush up on my genres, but I noticed Psychadelic was split off of Trance. Psychadelic, is not a genre, although it could be a way to describe music. Does anyone else think Psychadelic needs to be merged with Trance? FreeLance FoX 21:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I think, it should be renamed to Psytrance or something like that, but I'm sure Psytrance & (Euro)trance should be handled separately, because Goa-/Psytrance is actually not trance, just the name of it. Maybe it has the trance, because it was hypnotic, like the first ones of trance music pieces, but otherwise there's almost no relation beetwen them. Today's "normal" trance music turned into an emotional music, while goa/psy is much darker, uses a lot more acid, and also it's psychedelic. Actually, EBM is more closer to Psytrance, than regular trance, and this is where it's roots came from, not "classic" trance or progressive trance. But I think neither Industrial nor Trance is the same category as Goa/Psy/Isratrance. Goatrance has it's own subculture, and they're not clubbers or goths, but actually "modern hippies". Psytrance also has about as much subgenres, as normal industrial, or trance, or techno, and all of them is recognizeable enough to not mistake it with an other genre. --TaZaR 11:47, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Crack House?

The house section had "Crack house" listed. As far as I know that is not a music genre, though I may mistaken. However, the article linked was certainly not about a music genre (but rather about the urban phenomenon of abandoned property being used for illegal drug sales). So if this is a legit genre someone should create a new article. I removed the entry from the list. 80.213.252.167 (talk) 17:29, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

i think this might have been put up because dj zinc a drum & bass artist who started making bassline house called his 2 EPs that, hopefully hes joking and doesn't actually want us to take this as a new genre he invented —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.57.14 (talk) 02:25, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Psytrance should stay separated from Trance

Yes, it should. Also looking on that, goa trance (called Trance Dance originally) came about the same time (or even before) as "standard" trance music, it doesn't seems that psytrance is a subgenre of trance. Yes they share elements, but psy shares element with industrial too, so that's not a reason to qualify it as a subgenre of trance. Just check Mainstream Hardcore or Terror EBM tracks, they both share a lot of similarities with Trance (supersaws, other synths, breakdowns, etc.), but they still aren't the same style. Psytrance has it's own subgenres, and own subculture, like trance, hardcore, industrial, techno, drumandbass, hard dance, etc., so it should stay separated. And I also think that about Hard Dance. It consist genres which are usually both should be trance or hardcore genres, but they actually around the umbrella term "Hard Dance" and have their own subculture. We can keep hard house in the House section, but it's still more like trance vs. oldskool hardcore, not house or something like. So a split would be better, maybe. --84.2.199.15 16:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Psytrance follows the basic trance template a large open feel, faster than house bpm insistant beat, just using a darker sinister and or psychedelic/eastern infused aesthetic, just because at times it draw from other genres, so do all other genres, unless you can name a sizeable list of subgenres that make up your proposed supergenre psychedelic trance, - january 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.57.14 (talk) 02:38, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Eurodance a sub-genre of techno?

Why is Eurodance listed as a sub-genre of Techno? This seems in contradiction with the Eurodance article. --JHP (talk) 12:34, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

eurodance is really sort of an umbrella term rather than a genre, just referring to any cheesier/happy/hiNRG or poppy trance, all of the terms under it can be put into the other genres, it makes no sense as a supergenre76.169.57.14 (talk) 02:43, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

J-pop

J-pop is definitely listed as an electronic dance genre on wikipedia, and it definitely is one, but why isn't it on this list and where should it be put if just no one has bothered to put it up yet? Aswed123123123 (talk) 19:55, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Well the origin of modern pop music production are simple catchy vocal house, and j-pop draws from synthpop,house,trance,and especially electro starting in the late '00s76.169.57.14 (talk) 02:46, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Possivle Genre List

I think this is a much cleaner selection, but im open to any suggestions or tweaks, ELECTRO -it's preferred aesthetic 80's infused, Synth-Pop/Rock like Energy, can be either hip-hop or house tempo, HOUSE - mmm music with a funky soul, roots in disco, has this sense of 'cool' 4 to the floor TRANCE - fastpaced, grand spacious sounds, a perception of the world as received GARAGE - originated from the more percussive latin, or african-american house music, eventually got infused with dancehall soundculture much as dnb had before it, usually a little faster than house, and often comes in or goes into 2step form too, TECHNO - cold, impersonal, incessant, synthetic, techno is the terminator to electro's c3po INDUSTRIAL - roots in the darkest strains of post rock of the late 70s lo-fi dark cold raw factorysounds HARDCORE - can be either abrasive machinegun like antimusic, or absurdist explosions of happy, meant to be a musical assault/overload, usually very fast, but tempo is not the defining characteristic DRUM+BASS - incredibly spedup breaks and subby basslines are it's most recognizable aspects, BREAKS/HIP-HOP - where it all started screwing around with breakbeat samples, incredibly diverse, DOWNTEMPO - hmm is this a genre, well, mellow breaks and ambient would fit here, yeah just relaxed often atmospheric electronic music

(It's possible to put electro under a term which i usually like to shy from using 'eletronica' which would fit in with a good amount of certain strains of downtempo and such, IDM is probably deservedly under dnb but could equally be under electronicas umbrella) 76.169.57.14 (talk) 03:15, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Interesting… but this article isn't short on opinions; it's short on sources. true

(Oh and as usual for dance-sceney types, you seem to be either forgetting about the oldest electronic music (Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, Vangelis etc. in the 70s, Stockhausen, Subotnick etc. in the 60s, and so on forth). --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 22:49, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

@tropylium \ the artists you listed are essntially roots of electronic music, i mean krautrock, ambient experimentalists like eno, post/psychedelic/prog rock, and just people wanting to use electronic instruments for teh first time, or with more classical approaches, these all contributed to what would be become a musiccultrure based on electronic production techniques, thanks for comparing me to scenester, not just going on whats cool at the moment you know, of course i was well aware of those artists, thats one of the ways i got into edm in the first place

new approach

i think the ever splitting up of music genres is a dead end street, the desperatly trypngn to determine wehter a genre is part of breakbeat or drumandbass is rediculous because every day new kids rize that don't care about these petty boundaries and trying them to fit the system is an insult to their creativity. electronic music genres and their definitions are organic entities. breaks, jungle, idm, hardcore, my "specialties" all have many overlapping subgenres. and artists that can be qualified as at least7 or8 of these subgenres.. so this list i quite a oversimplification and straight mispresentation of the truth --Droon 12:14, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

who says people should make music for only one genre? music genres are something that you use to describe a sound afterwards, not to control or define it. imo experimental and cross genre pollination is the future of music. breakcore is listed under breakbeat because it's the main influence on the genre. ideally you'd want some sort of 3d model to describe relationships between genres but because wikipedia doesn't do this but has a tradition of hierarchical list of articles, we are here today. i severly doubt anyone who's interested in finding out about breakcore will just look at this page and think "oh, it's kinda like breakbeat" and not look at the article itself which obviously has a much more informative description, or even listen to examples of breakcore from the artists listed on the page. --MilkMiruku 21:28, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

well, this comming from personally knowing most breakcore artists in the world i can pretty surely state not many of them were "influenced" by breakbeat as a genre, which i even doubt exists, a breakbeat is a kind of beat used in a million genres. breakcore, digital hardcore and drill'n bass are generally the same thing,i can describe them separately but the boundaries between them are so blurred that it's more like a cloud of hard fast chaotic breakbeat music. same parties same crowds same labels. and people all over will interchange these terms. yet they are in totally different collums.

• i would think grime is a kind of hiphop fused with evolved uk garage/2step
• i would think idm is not at all downtempo since i know several idm records passing 200 bpm, like squarepusher etc..

anyway, these are just the genres i know something about, i'm sure everyone has a different opinion on how this jizz should be run, which is part of the problem. so ok, you have the list and the sublist function in wikipedia and you can't very well make it 3D or make it look like a network of influences which would closer to the truth, but maybe you can do some things to the same effect, like , maybe a list of influences underneath each genre. but then many genres are well defined and nicely classifiable in topgenre-subgenre means, but many other are way more fluid.. ok, i guess for now the list will do, but maybe a little diclaimer that a list can't do justice to the many intricate relations between many of these genres, or even place individual genres correctly.--Droon 12:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree completely that IDM isn't downtempo...it just plain isn't. As a matter of fact, it's the exact opposite, it's up-tempo. IDM belongs under jungle/drum and bass. TheDapperDan 21:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

yeah, initially idm started of with ambient techno but quickly drew in influences from a variety of genres and became more of a style or production method than a particular sound. that's a hard one to pin down these days. --MilkMiruku 00:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

i was just wondering why IDM is listed under house? Zeibura 17:40, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Hip Hop Does Not Have The Graceful Nature Of Synths Like Electronic Music Has So It's Not Electronic. It Is An Insult To Call It As Such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.109.57.201 (talk) 01:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Slang is not a suitable form of language for encyclopedias

Please read it carefully: the genres you are talking about are nothing else than sub-genres of modern Disco Music (I mean music for nightclubs or whatever you may define). In other words "Electronic Music" is exactly the "Electronic art music". The same applies to "Ambient music", that people below 30 in USA and Europe regard as a subgenre of Acid, House, Techno or whatever the modern Dance Music has been called. If you are having any doubts, I would suggest you to enquire any University's Music department. skysurfer 23:51, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Its Correct Because It Separates Hard Techno From Hard Trance — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.109.57.201 (talk) 01:45, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Please Add Hard House And Hardstyle

Not Sure Why These Sub Genres Are Not Listed. And hardstep, also. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.109.57.201 (talk) 01:49, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Additions and reorganisations

The name of this article is "List of electronic music genres". Please do not add links that are to things that are not genres, for example techniques of music making. Major reorganisations should really be brought here for discussion, just making major changes without even an edit summary is quite likely to be reverted.--SabreBD (talk) 07:56, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I tried to live with the change to hidden lists, which was not discussed here, despite the above request, but it proved very difficult to navigate, so I have reverted it. If there is a case to be made for this, please do so here.--SabreBD (talk) 16:32, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Notability and repetition

In addition to the above issues about reorganisation. Please do not add "genres" with no Wikipedia article as these have no evidence of WP:Notability - there is simply no way of knowing if these exist or are notable in the context of this article. Also please do not add entries multiple time, it just makes the list over complex and confusing - as is this wasn't enough of a problem as it is.--SabreBD (talk) 16:50, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Should this article be called now "Classification of electronic music genres"?

Hello, dear Wikipedia Contributors!

I, firstly, would like to thank everyone for this article. I think that it would be hard to find a much more complete taxonomy about electronic music genres and sub-genres. Secondly, I propose to move the page to "Classification of electronic music genres" because this is not a flat list but it contains branches.

Thanks, again!

George Rodney Maruri Game (talk) 01:22, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. As far as I am aware there is no guideline that says a list cannot contain trees. An alternative might be to abandon the trees. I frequently wonder if the trees are really supportable given the extreme complexity of the subject. Most sub-genres are derived from more than one parent genre and the relationship is often debatable.--SabreBD (talk) 06:34, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

In fact the list is very poor! It's just a shame there aren't so many styles mentioned and there are still big mistakes in this article. Progyponydubsteppers (talk) 21:53, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

The list is very measly!

The list is so miserably poor and it misguides people! Where are such styles like "Anthem house", "Wonky", "Ambient trance", "Experimental industrial", "Nu-jungle", "Jungle techno", "Industrial techno", "Post-dubstep" etc. I can mention them so many! And always some new come up. There are some mistakes such like: Doomcore and Gabber under Digital Hardcore, Aggrotech and Dark Electro under electro-industrial, Hi-NRG as a genre (is a style of Hard Dance), New beat and Eurobeat under Hi-NRG... uhh... there are so many mistakes... It's just a shame there aren't so many styles mentioned and there are still big mistakes in this article. Progyponydubsteppers (talk) 21:30, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

You have evidently worked out already that the reason some styles are mentioned here is because they have no evidence of notability. In a list article a subject being a redlink (i.e. there is no target article) is usually evidence of a lack of notability. You have added several genres that seem entirely legitimate, but please note that the title of the article includes music genres (so methods of making music, for example, should not be here) and creating a pipelink to something that does not deal with the topic is not a solution either. I am pretty busy at the moment and you still seem to be adding links, so I will hand on before reviewing what you and other editors have recently added. What really needs to be avoided is going back to the confusion, repetition and junk that this article contained before it was cleaned up. As far as adding missing notable genres, that is very welcome and thanks for spotting those.--SabreBD (talk) 09:01, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I have fixed the following 4 issues:

I see a major mistake in the categories; "Hi-NRG" is NOT a subgenre of "Hard Dance". Hi-NRG should be made a separate genre. It resembles Disco and House, and has little or no connection with Hard Dance. "Eurodance" should become a subgenre of Hi-NRG, because Eurodance is based on it. There are also "Nu-NRG" and "Hard NRG", but despite their names, they are not true derivatives of Hi-NRG. These are styles of a subgenre called "Hard House". The Hard House subgenre requires movement, too, because it is listed under House, but it is a type of Hard Dance (the name may be misleading). The original author of this post, "Progyponydubsteppers", made a false complaint, as you can tell by reading the individual articles (which have accurate info. in them). Forgets.it 03:46, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Interesting genres to add, possibly (add what you like)

I added "space music" and "ambient dub" to the list, in the ambience category.

I also found an interesting style unexplained by any music type on this wiki (i checked all of them, took a long time!). It is done only by Oustek, as far as i have listened. The artist refers to it as "acidstep", but note that it does not resemble dubstep, but sounds like breakbeat, house, techno, electro, and garage.

  There are two distinct styles I found:

1. the beat is very fast, at 120 to 160 BPM, like this: kick X hat X, kick X hat X, kick X hat kick, XX hat X , with background synth leads (sometimes organ or saxophone) alternating every 3 quarter beats, or in a pattern ignoring the tempo. Resembling both speed garage and techno, but with more experimental aspects. http://oustek.bandcamp.com/track/through-the-k-hole http://oustek.bandcamp.com/track/jurkin

2. this is more like a type of breakbeat, at 110 to 140 BPM, like this: kick XXX, snare X kick X,X kick X kick, snare X snare X , the music has a very slow rate, but the drumming is quick, changing rapidly from slow to fast. It uses a lot of hi-hats in the background, seemingly shaping the rest of the beat. http://oustek.bandcamp.com/track/future-chill

Hope you guys will check out this stuff, and see if you can find a subgenre that each fit into, or maybe make a new one? Forgets.it 07:15, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

→Just added 'industrial hip-hop' and 'Chinese ambient'. Also added 'post-industrial' and organized its subgenres. Added 'neofolk' and its subgenre 'martial' into this place too. And, i added 'post-trip-hop' as a subgenre of trip-hop, and 'post-rock' to electronic rock. Post-rock is not usually done with lots of electronic implications, like synthesizers and drum machines, but it is still electronic-based, relying on techno and synthpop heavily. Forgets.it 06:20, 18 December 2012 (UTC) →added 'amigacore' to techno, cleaned up the dubstep section, and 'nerdcore' (similar to hip hop) to chiptune. Forgets.it 23:36, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

→added 'neoclassical' subgenres of New age and Dark wave; I added 'ethnic electronica', and an interesting one called 'Biomusic'. Biomusic is where sounds made by living things are recorded and used to make entire songs. This is an Electroacoustic style. I also further tweaked the Dubstep section, as it needed slight reorganization. Forgets.it 07:48, 19 December 2012 (UTC) →I now added 'frenchcore' to Gabber. I suggest an English page be made, if anyone wants to. Also, i added 'elektronische musik' which is a distinct Electroacoustic sungenre, and added 'stochastic music' to this genre. Stochastic is more of a method than a style, but works produced in that way tend to have a distinct sound that no music variety uses. Forgets.it 14:16, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

→Fixing stuff again: EDM was under electronica, but EDM includes over half of the music on this page, so, impossible. So, i put 'Trap' under Breakbeat, it is not Dubstep, where it used to be located. I fixed a bit of organization in other places, and moved Chillwave. It was in Electronica, but it is based on types of Electronic rock (where I moved it to). I did lots of organization in Electroacoustic, adding experimental techniques that also qualify as genres. Forgets.it 17:01, 19 December 2012 (UTC) →These techniques are all listed under 'Indeterminate music', which i also added, and are: Spectral, aletoric, biomusic (moved), algorithmic, generative, and stochastic (also moved). These were heavily checked for their charachteristics so i could accurately classify them. Forgets.it 17:54, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

→I just fixed some classification orders in Drum n Bass, Jungle, and Dubstep categories. Forgets.it 18:14, 19 December 2012 (UTC) Today's changes include the following: --Breakcore is a fusion genre, and so it exists in 3 places in the list: jungle, hardcore, and industrial. --New rave & Electroclash are considered microgenres based on Alternative dance. --Power noise is a type of Noise. --Power electronics is also a derivative of Noise, so I moved it there, too. --ADDED THE FOLLOWING: Noisecore, rare type of hardcore. Lo-Fi music, a technique, but often considered a genre as well. It went under Electronic rock. No-Fi, a divative of Lo-Fi. Harsh noise, a style of Japanoise. Onkyokei, another Japanoise style, based on an individual scene in Japan. Forgets.it 23:31, 20 December 2012 (UTC) →fixed: Happy Gabber is not real. Its just Bouncy Techno, already listed. Happy Hardcore is real, but Happy Gabber is not, so i removed it (also it had no page). I removed Gabber House, too, because it does not exist. But, I added Early Hardcore, a major Gabber-related style from Hardcore's roots. Some things I moved around, too: Terrorcore and Speedcore are subgenres of Gabber, as well as Frenchcore (i added that too). I moved UK Hardcore and Freeform Hardcore to being under Happy Hardcore, as they are both subgenres of it.

The order of entries are based on the Wikipedia articles of those entries, please do onot move them because you are sure they are wrong without some basis in reliable sources.--SabreBD (talk) 16:54, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Please verify the actual issues of my edits before deleting them. I use only information from existing articles when i add something. Check some change ideas i had. you will find that some are obviously accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forgets.it (talk • contribs) 04:34, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

NU-Gaze

I added NU-Gaze to the list, because of the Glitch/Ambient fusion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.89.24.41 (talk) 19:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

Nu-what? You have got to be kidding me. Are you people making this crap up? 172.189.243.107 14:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

• I have never heard of any such genre in my life, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if you perhaps write a short article about NU-Gaze, seeing as there isn't one, with a good reference or two. There's little point in it being on this list if there's no article anyways.Z.S.K. 15:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

It's just crap, .... Nothing here has sense in musicology, it's just the snapshot of youngsters' slang. Doktor Who 22:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Dumbasses read up on shoegaze. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.18.26.154 (talk) 04:01, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Dubstep Is Not UK Garage

Whoever wrote dubstep is not uk garage is seriously mistaken, get your history right mate, just cause it began to include more dubby, dancehall infused sounds, much like jungle had, doesn't make it drum&bass(it sounds like slowed down drum and bass just becasue of a breakbeat,) it comes from the subby shuffling 2-step beats of uk garage, anyone whos been in the scene would know that, sorry uk paul where you been —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.57.14 (talk) 02:14, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Dubstep is a drum and bass or reggae genre, not UK Garage. It is like slowed-down drum and bass mixed with roots and culture contemorary reggae dub. Anyone living in the UK who attends the underground rave scene will know this. Many of the categories are simply wrong and inaccurate, sorry!!! (Paul, UK) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.32.130 (talk) 22:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I get the idea that most peeps who have edited this page do not understand the underground UK scene where dance music is far more prevalent than in the states. (Paul, UK) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.32.130 (talk) 22:39, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

It IS INDEED!!! Ever heard Skream, Benga, Artwerk, Rusko, Doorly? Shame on you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.18.26.154 (talk) 04:17, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

"Issues in the List"

Whoever continues to put EDM under electronica, please stop being stupid. EDM includes so many genres, how can it be put under an experimental umbrella term genre, while electronica is not really dance music? And they keep taking out the Hard Dance genre, and keep moving the Hard dance subgenres like Hardstyle under this EDM placement. Just thought i would point this out, and this is the second time i had to move it back. Forgets.it 07:19, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

This article makes me cry

I swear half of these genres are made up. The problem with Electronic music in general is that every artist with the slightest special sound to them think they've created an entire new genre. That's not how it works in any other genre of music, so why is it like this here? I feel that this needs a complete rehaul, and articles of some of these genres need to be merged, because so many of them are basically the same thing. Even if it sounds different, the technicality of it being a genre is to group it by characteristics, such as BPM and certain effects or techniques popular to that genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dojix (talk • contribs) 16:39, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Wonky, Skweee and Vaporwave

Wonky should be moved from under dubstep to under IDM right? It originates from glitch which is under IDM. Also, shouldn't Skweee be moved somewhere else? I don't think "video game chiptune" fits it And please add vaporwave, seapunk, etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.163.135.178 (talk) 01:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Do we really need alternate names for genres?

Seriously, why is the future garage section named "Future Garage/Chillstep" ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.163.135.178 (talk) 01:56, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Having the alternative names tends to stop those names being added as redlinks.--SabreBD (talk) 07:29, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Trap as a subgenre of house?

Can anyone explain this? It's derived from hip hop, according to its own wiki page. According to a previous comment it used to be listed under breaks, which would make at least some sense.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.70.216.225 (talk) 02:14, 26 October 2014 (UTC) 

Hip-Hop & Rap

Why isn't the most popular form of electronic music in North America listed on this page? It was up there last week and someone removed it. Hip-hop music is EDM. It's all made on electronic instruments. It needs to go back up.

Hip hop is not classified as electronic music. --JHP (talk) 10:33, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

On the contrary, hip hop is very much electronic music; it stems from breakbeat. You can check Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music, a widely sourced guide on electronic music. 96.234.169.19 (talk) 01:49, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Left-Field House

Hi. I'm very confused where to put this request, but it seems to be OK here: There's an article on Bugge Wesseltoft in which the genre "Left-Field House" is used. I could not find essential information about it, while seeing it being used often elsewhere. It doesn't seem to fit near House music, because it appears to be more related to Jazz and other electronic genres. I can't read Russian, but this seems to be an interesting explanation: DJ.ru Left-field House --Reuben Honigwachs 00:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Bugge Wesseltoft mentions his style is nu jazz/future jazz. "Left-Field House" isn't really a genre; the jazzlandrec.com author is probably using "left field" to mean "weird ass" or something similar ;) --MilkMiruku 00:45, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

leftfield IS a genre, at least, i've seen it mentioned as such on many occasions. it sounds like the producers "leftfield" which, top my understanding, places it kind of a in a triangle with big beat and trip hop. same period aswell. this could co-incide with the new jazz label, as leftfield would be the slightly more experimental then triphop or big beat. --84.195.27.179

i'm not denying that people use the term "leftfield", but i was suggesting that due to the fact that there are no basic references to the general definition of the specific term "leftfield house" that one can find on google (except in russian :o) that it's use in the term "leftfield house" was more as an adjective rather than a definite music genre name that people activly use. --MilkMiruku 17:06, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Per the earlier discussion on 'leftfield': leftfield, as I understand it, is more of a generic term meaning an unusual form of the genre. So, 'leftfield house' would refer to something house-like but which doesn't exactly fit into the usual confines of that genre. I agree that it's not a proper genre in itself but, rather, a catch-all term for music which contains some unusual element that sets it ouside the larger genre. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.202.240.251 (talk • contribs) .

It is possible that the author was using the term as a reference to Leftfield, a house group that pioneered prog. house. 96.234.169.19 (talk) 01:54, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Intelligent Dance Music

What shall we call it? House and Ambient are the choices.

House (modern dance music). House was and still is the most suitable term. It has various styles and forms within it, including the so called intelligent, techno or ambience forms.Dr. Who 20:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

IDM would actually go best under electronica considering its not downtempo, (if anything it would be techno), housey only maybe in tempo (but house a pretty average tempo) IDM has no set bpm, ranging from blindingly fast productions to more ambient works, kind of how electro can be a slower hip hop tempo or a house tempo, and likewise finds itself crossing genre boundaries, where electro brings with it an exhuberant eighties synth feel, idm gives a complex and slight 'impersonal' vibe -jan 11 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.57.14 (talk) 02:30, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

come to think of it, considering it's origins, with the likes of squarepusher and aphex, it might be more appropriate under dnb —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.57.47 (talk) 01:45, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I feel that IDM should go under the jungle category. 96.234.169.19 (talk) 01:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Nightcore

I am curious about this "Nightcore" genre I found on YouTube. It seems to have quite a large presence on the site by the fact that I find all of these "Nightcore 1 hour mixes" in all of my recommendations. There are countless of videos on YouTube, the most popular being this one: ~♪1 Hour Ultimate Nightcore Mix♪~ . I remember reading a Wikipedia article on it but I can't seem to find it anymore. In fact there is barely any mention of it at all on Wikipedia; I was even expecting on seeing it on this list where it belongs, yet it isn't here at all. I have no idea whether this genre is new or whether it was just deleted off Wikipedia but I would like at least an article and a mention of it on this list. Maybe it has another name? ThisguyYEAH (talk) 01:21, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Nightcore is actually just Happy hardcore an Hard trance, but mixed and sped up. its not a real genre, it is a style of remix, or its an aesthetic. Its like how "Glitch-step" is not a genre, but its an aesthetic that people identify songs as. Forgets.it 02:17, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Nightcore isn't even just happy hardcore or hard trance. It's just any old thing sped up and pitched up. I don't know about you, but that doesn't seem at all like a genre. It seems more like a type of edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.234.169.19 (talk) 01:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

"Chillstep"

Would you all please stop spreading this bullshit about this thing that doesn't even exist. Chillstep is not a genre, it's just a fake name for Future Garage, please stop destroying an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.12.211.235 (talk) 12:53, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Chillstep DOES exist, and grouping it with garage makes no sense because garage is a subgenre of house, meaning it's based around a four on the floor rhythm, and chillstep, as the name suggests, uses the 2-step rhythm. Most of the time, when people refer to chillstep, they refer to a form of dubstep that emphasizes ambiance and atmosphere over dancability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.234.169.19 (talk) 02:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Clean up and organisation

Thing to make sense of the many problems of this article I have decided to go through the genres systematically. I am removing those that have no evidence of notability at the target or are just repetitions. I am also trying to put back the hierarchy of genres and sub-genres that were once in the article according to the claims in the target articles. Accordingly I have posted an "under construction" template.--SabreBD (talk) 18:19, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

A Non-hostile Rebuttal: This is not a responsible task for a single individual to do. You may not be aware of real genres and subgenres that exist in the wild. Just because wikipedia doesn't have an article on the (sub-)genres yet doesn't mean that they don't exist. Since you are just one person, you are assuming that you are omniscient and all-knowing about music genres. This is not a realistic position to take and is irresponsible if you do mass deletes and bulk reorganizations without group consultation, group participation, and standing back to let the masses of internet wikipedia users come in to fix up the mistakes.

The amount of entropy of the page will go down as more people become aware of the page and edit it in small but cummulative synergistic amounts. One person can easily trash the entire page with the best of intentions. Wikipedia isn't a lone-wolf project.

Don't worry too much about this. Most people who post to this page are doingn so honorably which is evidenced by the lack of commercialistic and branded info and lack of outright vandalism. 173.18.235.162 (talk) 11:23, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

"Brostep"

Brostep needs to be changed to Complextrostep, that is it's official name. Brostep is a nickname, often derogatorily invoked or used tongue-in-cheek by British Dubstep producers. (~Random Internet Lurker~) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.18.26.154 (talk) 20:29, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Brostep as a genre is only used derogatorily when brostep music is submitted to non-brostep audiences. This is because the musical purposes and characteristics of brostep are in stark contrast to the musical purposes and characteristics of the dubstep which it grew out of. For example brostep emphasizes the midrange and treble and typically features alot of distortion, FM synthesis, wild effects, and lots of edits--think Skrillex. Dubstep historically has been more of a laidback yet punctual type of sound with dub reggae influences. The differentiation between dubstep and brostep is not derogatory. It's a necessary differentiation between musical techniques and sounds. There are some tunes with characteristics from both genres, but those are more transitional or crossover and that's a feature common to all musical genres which reflects the factual limitations of tree diagrams. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.18.235.162 (talk) 11:04, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

As for "Complextrostep", I'm not familiar with that term, but I am familiar with "Complextro". And Dubstep is most certainly not usually Complextro, while some Brostep does have some shared characteristics with Complextro, mainly the profuse use edits/stutter edits/sampling types. A lot of Complextro has characteristics in common with house in terms of the meter and rhythms. While Dubstep rhythms are often quite different, sometimes incorporating kick drum triplets and things of that nature and types of syncopation not found in Complextro. Of course, these aren't absolutes. The beauty of music is that ANY genres can be combined to forma new genre or subgenre. And that's also why these types of encyclopedias are not able to incorporate as much realism and accuracy and punctuality as the real world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.18.235.162 (talk) 11:13, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for the lack of signatures above. I didn't know how to go back and sign them, so i let SineBot autosign them as they were. 173.18.235.162 (talk) 11:25, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Please remove the suffix "music" from several genres and subgenres

Please remove the suffix "music" from several genres and subgenres. It's incorrect. Most people don't call Trance "Trance music", they just call it "Trance". The same goes for Industrial. Most people don't call it "Industrial Music", they just call it "Industrial".

These are normal linguistic conventions of fans, collectors, composers, musicians, performers, etc.

If something is worth doing at all, it's worth doing right. Also a case could be made for using slang within genre names when the slang IS the genre name. Elitism and cultural bias doesn't trump linguistic truths.

And for that matter citing published sources is somewhat ridiculous since a lot of music culture comes from oral traditions and not written traditions. This is an anthropological issue that should be paid attention to for music. You don't need an ethnomusicologist to publish a book on Industrial or Trance to verify these claims. You simply need to communicate with the actual fans, collectors, composers, musicians, performers, etc. And if you already do that on a regular basis, then you know why I'm right about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.18.235.162 (talk) 10:57, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

173.18.235.162 (talk) 11:26, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

So Wikipedia should forget it's an encyclopedia and simply take your word for it? Wait, I'm sorry. Your "linguistic truth"? Dan56 (talk) 13:37, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

@Dan56: I think he was only referring to the genre names in this list instead of renaming the respective articles, so I'm not sure what the problem of that would be. Isn't he right about that? In a list of music genres it's reasonable to exclude the music suffix for all genres (except for the case that their name in common usage indeed includes that word). However most articles in this list don't have this music suffix and what User:173.18.235.162 suggested has already been done for many entries such as [[Ambient music|Ambient]]. --Fixuture (talk) 19:04, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

I would agree we don't need to include the word music on this list page. Lists of rivers do not always include the word river. - Shiftchange (talk) 01:58, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

I agree we should pipe most of these, but there may be a few that normally have music in the title. For example, New Age music usually has the "music" bit added just to distinguish it from other strands of New Age culture.--SabreBD (talk) 07:53, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

merge proposal

I propose merging or simply redirecting list of electronic dance music genres to this article, since there's nothing different about that list, apart from the fact that it's been plagiarised from Ishkur's guide. - Zeibura ^(Talk) 23:45, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

How about we delete the "list of electronic dance music genres" page? They're both the same and the latter page was plagiarised. EDM is just another name for electronic music. By the way, hip-hop is it's own genre of music. It's not related to electronic music in any way.Fclass (talk) 00:13, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Can somebody please get rid of the "list of electronic dance music genres" page? We already have the "list of electronic music genres" page. Get rid of it. The page is plagiarised. One more thing, rap/hip-hop music is different or not the same to EDM. They don't belong together and rap is it's own genre of music with it's own sub-genres.Fclass (talk) 22:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

As U can see the whole thing is ruined... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.252.80.81 (talk) 21:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Not all Hip-Hop is Rap. Hip-Hop is a cultural style. There are "Beat Instrumentals" or just Hip-Hop without vocals. Rapping is a vocal style, like singing or Spoken Word. It's typically rhyming. It's a vocal thing. Not all rapping is gangsta rap. There are raps that are whispered by for example Massive Attack.

KRS-ONE, a very credible rapper and hip-hop spokesperson describes Hip-Hop as a culture. Consult sources of his interviews to know more about that. He describes I think 9 aspects of Hip-Hop.

Furthermore, any sound engineer or composer who works with Hip-Hop can tell you that it's very very often Electronic Music. Drum machine's and samplers are the primary tools of many old, new, and continuing styles of Hip-Hop music. Synthesizers are also used. Digital Effects Processors (effects units) are also used. Some people who scratch artistically don't use recorded tunes but are using SMPTE TimeCode discs connected to computers. Digital Audio Workstations, both hardware and software are used for overdubbing and editing and composing. The AKAI MPC is a well-known favorite Hip-Hop composition tool. It's a very capable hardware sampling drum machine and digital audio workstation.

Just because most people don't know much about how Hip-Hop is made doesn't mean that it's not electronic music. The tools and techniques and sounds of the trade define the genre. If you listen to Ying Yang Twins and Lil John, the synthesizers and drum machines or software equivalents are prominent.

In modern times a lot of electronic music is done on computers so to talk about "drum machines" when in fact it could be VST instruments is a bit ridiculous. Modern day synthesis is usually done in computers now. But people who specialize in making encyclopedias aren't musicians, and people who specialize in making music aren't bibliographers. But there are exceptions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.18.235.162 (talk) 09:13, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Melodic house

The references used to support the claim that melodic house is a music genre are not reliable or not relevant. Reference 8 is a blog that includes quotations of someone describing their own music as melodic house. It makes no claim regarding the existance of a music genre or what it constitutes. Reference 9 just uses melodic house to describe some tunes. Just because some small group of people use the words "melodic house" when promoting their music doesn't mean that a genre of music has been established. The fourth article linked to support the inclusion of melodic house makes no claim regarding the matter. I am therefore removing this from the list. - Shiftchange (talk) 20:33, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Editors are still

Editors are still adding made up genres because someone gave them that label or described them as such and such. Can you imagine how meaningless this list would be if every made up genre name was included. Tropical trance is the latest example. We need references which support the establishment of a notable genre not just its use as a description for some artist's music. - Shiftchange (talk) 04:15, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Innit, had this battle over Darkcore jungle - it's either Darkcore or Hardcore jungle. Do some of these mad genre names even really exist out of some music journo's trying to look clever?! 77.86.103.78 (talk) 17:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Totally agree! This genre name inflation is a real plague. Any attempt to limit the number of genres to established and relevant ones would have my full support. WilhelmSchneider (talk) 15:48, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Vapor Soul missing

Vapor Soul missing 185.135.194.169 (talk) 03:36, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

"Cut & paste (music genre)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Cut & paste (music genre) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 28 § Cut & paste (music genre) until a consensus is reached. Solidest (talk) 21:07, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

We need to add Hardgroove Techno

Apparently producers bored with the recent Hard Techno Trend exhumed Tribal Techno / Hardgroove. Apparently it was a trend in the late 90s early 2000s. This form of Techno borrows from Tech-House, Latin Techno, and has something Schranz-esque about it. It is characterized by its 145pm and polyrhythmic composition, repetitive overlayed loops, and is has something tribal/ressembles Samba. I'm surprised I've never seen this genre mentioned anywhere until now as it's resurfacing. It was probably just called Techno back in the days. Pioneers of the genre are old school producers but also Early Adam Beyer, Ben Sims, Dave the Drummer, Umek, Rowland the bastard ... It needs its own page within the list. 2001:861:8C84:C1F0:C8D2:45AF:DAAF:AAFD (talk) 15:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC)