Talk:List of ended Netflix original programming

Miniseries

Since miniseries usually do premiere and end on the same day, I think we should consider a period of time for keeping them on the current programming page instead of moving them from upcoming to former immediately. How about keeping them for a month after the premiere before we move theese shows to the former programming page? Picsovina (talk) 11:25, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm not really sure tbh but I agree I don't think it's right to move them straight here. I'm thinking that they could be on the current programming page for as long as they are eligible for Emmys, because even though they aren't currently airing they are still seen as current by the Academy. The eligibility window for this year for example would be June 1 2020–May 31 2021 (I think), so that will be around a year for some but a couple of months for others. A month could work too, it just doesn't have much context around it though imo. Apd9696 (talk) 11:52, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

I am fine with that too, my suggestion was only a starting point for discussion. Actually yours seems more reasonable. Picsovina (talk) 12:12, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Could this apply to specials as well? Apd9696 (talk) 18:05, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, fine by me. Picsovina (talk) 09:58, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

So, one update is that all childrens programming was taken out of the primetime emmys and they are only eligible for daytime emmys now: https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/primetime-emmys-childrens-daytime-category-1234821285/. Do we want to exclude childrens animation miniseries and specials from the emmy rule now or not? Picsovina (talk) 09:46, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I did read about this and I don't think it matters – when I proposed the idea I didn't mean that if they weren't actually eligible they should be left on one page and if they were then they should be left on a different page, that would just be confusing. The Emmy eligibility window was just some background for as to how long they should be left on the current programming page, and even if they weren't eligible I just thought it should apply to all miniseries. That was my initial view and I think regardless of what category certain miniseries fall into then we should leave them on the current page until the next eligibility window starts, but if anyone objects then that's absolutely fine and we can change what we do with miniseries. Apd9696 (talk) 11:31, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I am totally fine with how we are doing it now, just trying to close the loopholes by putting them on the table. Picsovina (talk) 15:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

The title of this draft

The title of this draft is currently List of former Netflix original programming however this, in my oppinion implies that a show has stopped being "Netflix original" rather than the show/series has completed its final season. I have a few examples of other options, such as:

• List of Netflix original former programming.
• List of completed Netflix original programming.
• List of ended Netflix original programming.
• List of Netflix original ended programming.

Swapping the word order or substituting former for a synonymous word is possbile before moving it to article space and espeially with the latter two options line up more with existing templates such as: {{Netflix original ended series (2012–2018)}}, Thanks. Terasail^[Talk] 19:27, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

That's a very good point, thank you for bringing it up. I think ended and former are both widely used to talk about ended shows but I think ended will actually work best for the reasons you brought up and the fact that we used "ended" in the other article. I support moving the article to List of ended Netflix original programming. Apd9696 (talk) 19:37, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Support. Picsovina (talk) 08:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Support. --Jonathan (talk) 20:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Remove draft from title?

Judging by how it looks like we have all the content on here we need & have begun moving the shows from List of Netflix original programming, is it safe to say we are ready to make this page official and remove the draft title?--Jonathan (talk) 04:02, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

I'd say it's more than ready to go in the mainspace. Just looking at the article I'd think it would be more helpful to readers if we ditched the "ended original programming" section and instead we made all the genre sections collapsible if you know what I mean, because then readers can see ended shows from a particular genre section more easily. That's my only suggestion, but otherwise go for it. Apd9696 (talk) 09:31, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Would you mind explaining this a little more? I'm a little confused on what you are suggesting. Do you mean like making each genre table we have on here collapsible? --Jonathan (talk) 22:27, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry that explanation was a bit rushed, but I didn't mean collapsible tables (if they're a thing). I said "collapsible sections" but I forgot that they only collapse on mobile. What I mean is that I think it's pretty useless to have a setion called "ended original programming" with lots of sub-sections when the article is called "List of ended Netflix original programming". It's also much harder for mobile users to navigate as there is no contents page and a lot of scrolling is involved to get to docuseries (for example). I can't explain it here very well, do you mind if I can tweak the draft a bit to show what I propose in practice? Apd9696 (talk) 22:31, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

So you are thinking the page should just contain their ended drama/comedy/reality programs and not have sections like ended foreign language originals, for example? --Jonathan (talk) 02:01, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I think everything should be included and the article is basically ready to go live in the mainspace, I was just suggesting a change in section layout. I have done what I think should happen to the article so you can reply or revert with what you think. Apd9696 (talk) 08:01, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Why isn't Voltron Legendary Defender listed as Anime?

Hi.

I'm confused as to why Voltron: Legendary Defender isn't listed under the Anime section here when it's a remake of the Anime series Voltron: Defender of the Universe. DigificWriter (talk) 15:32, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Netflix does not categorize it as anime. There was previous debate about categorization, what should be considered an anime (only Japanese productions or animations that have the trademark anime style) and there was no end of it, so in the end consensus was to call those shows anime that even Netflix itself calls anime. Picsovina (talk) 18:50, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Notes column - more details

We need more details in the Notes column or a single word at least as we cannot tell if the series:

• a) 'Completed' the full story and properly ended
• b) 'Cancelled' and ended at a point mid-story or not fully completing
• c) 'Ended' production

We personally would prefer to only START watching a series if we KNOW they will complete the story properly ('Completed') - as otherwise it is like buying a book with the last chapter ripped out.

Definition of ended

This page has questionable scope and an extremely flimsy definition of what constitutes an "ended" series. Why is it arbitrarily assumed a series has ended if there hasn't been an episode after a year? Sometimes they take longer, especially in a pandemic. There is no precedent for this that I can find. An encyclopedia includes facts, not assumptions. WP:CRYSTAL, etc.

Barring any discussion or pushback, I'll be trimming this list in about a week to remove any broad speculation. – Broccoli & Coffee ^{(Oh hai)} 17:37, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

I generally agree with you, because your argumentation makes sense in theory, but practice is a whole different thing. Most shows do not have official endings or confirmations that they ended. They just stop and there is silence. So in my opinion the "1 year passed since the last episode without news of renewal" is a good and practical rule, because this is the most common industry standard (a new season every year) and because otherwise we would end up keeping shows on the other page forever which is dumb. It can happen that we mark a show as ended, but for some reason it gets renewed after years of hiatus - then we just move it back to the other page when we have the proper confirmation and reference. Therefore I oppose any changes to this rule. Picsovina (talk) 17:56, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

That is not industry practice. What happens when a show is cancelled is that the cast and crew then talk about it thus telling the general public that it's cancelled. If none of the cast and crew have come out and said it's cancelled, then it hasn't been. 2A00:23C7:F296:9F01:FD14:A449:94AE:90F5 (talk) 00:30, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Table for removed Netflix originals

Should we maybe add a seperate table for shows that have been removed from Netflix? Like all of the Marvel shows. As licensing agreements evolve, more titles could disappear, especially since most of the first Netflix originals are not owned by Netflix. Here's a link to more info. https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/every-netflix-original-removed-from-netflix/amp/Goldeneyed (talk) 20:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

The Home cartoon is not removed from Netflix!

I checked, the DreamWorks movie, cartoon, and special are still on the service. 2600:1700:2230:CCB0:4C3F:BB1B:3C0B:A7E7 (talk) 05:46, 8 July 2023 (UTC)