Talk:List of fellows of the British Academy elected in the 2020s

Requested move 4 March 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Killarnee (talk) 05:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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• List of Fellows of the British Academy elected in the 2020s → List of fellows of the British Academy elected in the 2020s
• List of Fellows of the Linguistic Society of America → List of fellows of the Linguistic Society of America
• List of Fellows of The Minerals, Metals & Materials Society → List of fellows of the Minerals, Metals & Materials Society
• List of Fellows of the Society for Experimental Mechanics → List of fellows of the Society for Experimental Mechanics
• List of Fellows of University College, Oxford → List of fellows of University College, Oxford

– For consistency and per MOS:JOBTITLES and MOS:CAPS. I have found 302 titles with "List of fellows of [something]", but these five are the only ones I can find that are the same except using "Fellows" with uppercase. I have listed them in in alphabetical order here. For the first topic, note that there are 12 other "List of fellows of the British Academy elected in the [decade]" titles, and all of the other ones use lowercase for "fellows", and there is also the main List of fellows of the British Academy with lowercase. These titles are plural, and they describe categories of people and are thus common noun terms, not proper nouns. For the third topic, note the suggested lowercase 't' in "the" per MOS:THEINST: "The word the at the start of a name is uncapitalized, regardless of the institution's own usage." Please also note that there is a related RM ongoing at Talk:List of fellows of the Association for Computing Machinery#Requested move 3 March 2024, which proposes a move in the opposite direction (i.e. to capitalize "fellows") for that particular professional society. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:33, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

For the first topic, please see also List of female fellows of the British Academy, List of corresponding fellows of the British Academy, and List of honorary fellows of the British Academy. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

For the last topic, please see also List of masters of University College, Oxford. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:58, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

• Wait: I support this in general, but for now let us see what happens at Talk:List of fellows of the Association for Computing Machinery#Requested move 3 March 2024. SchreiberBike | ⌨  23:47, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

That seems like a reasonable suggestion. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Ten days later, at this point it seems highly unlikely that the other RM will result in a move. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:33, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Support then. SchreiberBike | ⌨  01:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support, no matter what happens at that other discussion. Dicklyon (talk) 07:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support Per MOS:JOBTITLES and many similar discussions directly analogous to this move. We capitalise President of the United States but not presidents of the United States because the plural is not the formal title. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:47, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose unless We also Lowercase all The other common English words in These titles, For greater consistency, because if we don't use the proper name of the title (Fellow of the British Academy) and we don't lowercase all common words, I have no idea what the rule of which to capitalize and which to lowercase should be. So that would be: "List of fellows of the British academy" (because "academy", although part of the name of the academy, is also a common word, just like "fellow", although part of the name of the award, is also a common word). It would be: "List of fellows of the linguistic society of America". It would be "List of fellows of the minerals, metals & materials society". It would be "List of fellows of university college, Oxford", etc. All of those lowercasings are instances of common English words used as part of proper noun phrases, just as "Fellow" in "Fellow of the British Academy" is a common English word used as part of a proper noun phrase. Come on, be consistent in your lowercase-mania, don't stop partway! Next we can move on to "oxford", which is really just two common words jammed together. "British" can stay capitalized, though. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

  Funny, aren't we? Did someone say this was about how common a word is? Here is what matters. But I don't get the joke in your caps in "also Lowercase all The other common English words in These titles, For...". Dicklyon (talk) 03:44, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

  Reductio ad absurdum ... Cinderella157 (talk) 05:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

  And appeal to ridicule, and the fallacious version of slippery slope (both red-herring fallacies).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support—plural, inter alia. Tony (talk) 06:58, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Not consistently capitalized by independent RS, and when treated as plural classifiers like this, they are by definition common-noun phrases not proper-noun phrases. E.g., someone might write, "I first attended Harvard University, then went to Oxford University, and learned much at both universities." Until about the middle of the 20th century it was common to write "both Universities", but this is no longer the case and it absolutely is not normal practice on Wikipedia. I think mostly what's happened here is that people are confused by the convention of capitalizing such things when they occur with a name: "J. Charles Thompson, Fellow of the Scottish Tartans Society"; plus the influence of promotional/signification capitalization (MOS:SIGCAPS) tendencies of the primary sources that issue such fellowships ("At our Awards Banquet at our Headquarters next week, the Foundation will be welcoming three new Fellows.") This absolutely is not WP style, either, nor that of much of anyone not directly connected with the organization in question.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:44, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

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