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| Ion Negoiţescu | 1921–1993 | Romanian | literary historian, critic, poet, novelist and memoirist | G[1][2][3][4] 190.196.88.89 (talk) 14:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC)Reply

  Done - I've added this, but with only one ref. No need for over-kill :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:31, 31 December 2010 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference mioameni was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Călinescu & Vianu, p.344, 360
  3. ^ (in Romanian) Mirela Corlăţan, "Petru Romoşan, turnătorul lui Horia Bernea şi al lui Ion Negoiţescu", in Cotidianul, July 30, 2009
  4. ^ Virgil Nemoianu, Imperfection and Defeat: The Role of Aesthetic Imagination in Human Society, Central European University Press, Budapest, 2006, p.142. ISBN 978-963-7326-57-8

I too have an edit request, but I'll put it here because I don't know how to create a new topic. Oda Nobunaga, despute having a wife, was on fact bi and was known to have a male lover called Mori Ranmaru. Takeda Shingen too was bi and Uesugi Kenshin probably gay, or trans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.17.58.223 (talk) 06:26, 6 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

  Done Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 17:48, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

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Everette "E." Lynn Harris (June 20, 1955 – July 23, 2009)

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  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Slon02 (talk) 03:26, 22 June 2011 (UTC)Reply

Frank Ocean

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Jim Nabors

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Oda Nobunaga had a wife, but he had a male lover named Mori Ranmaru, so he was bi. Please add him 87.17.58.223 (talk) 17:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

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https://lgbt.wikia.org/wiki/Oda_Nobunaga

As I said before, Japanese daimyo Oda Nobunaga had a male lover named Mori Ranmaru. Despite having a wife, Nobunaga was actually bisexual. 87.17.58.223 (talk) 17:24, 6 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

Not done, not verified in his Wikipedia page. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:55, 6 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

Even if it's not verified, Shudou relationships were common in Japan in Sengoku and Edo periods, and Nobunaga, Shingen and Kenshin were known to practice them — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.17.58.223 (talk) 20:31, 7 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

Oda Nobunaga (bi)

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Japanese daimyo Oda Nobunaga was bi. He had a wife but also a male lover named Mori Ranmaru

https://www.tofugu.com/japan/gay-samurai/ 137.204.150.25 (talk) 15:44, 16 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

  Not done Still not a reliable source, as it's a blog. We're not adding him here until you show a solid source, namely real media or a published book. Bearcat (talk) 17:07, 16 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

Oda Nobunaga (bi)

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Sorry if I ask again, but Nobunaga was well-known for practising Shudou, aka having a sexual-romantic relationship with a young man namee Mori Ranmaru. Nobunaga should count as a bisexual.

https://books.google.it/books?id=1ha9GgWNmy0C&pg=PA283&lpg=PA283&dq=nobunaga+ranmaru+sex&source=bl&ots=MMNwn8nZFm&sig=ACfU3U3700dfFaLSpBqjUMbcOhrC5BFB9g&hl=it&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj4obXoosrnAhXvQ0EAHe_rAGIQ6AEwA3oECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=nobunaga%20ranmaru%20sex&f=false 87.3.51.112 (talk) 19:54, 11 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

  •   Not done We require a source that we can read, in order to actually verify whether it supports calling Oda Nobunaga bisexual or not. But what you've shown is just a blank page with some random yellow highlights on it, not a page with readable text. Bearcat (talk) 14:10, 26 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

It should be readable text. Sorry if you saw it as blank. I click the link and the page has text. I don't know why you saw it as blank. 79.45.218.120 (talk) 14:21, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

Oda Nobunaga and Mori Ranmaru were bi

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Even if he never identified himself as bi (like Julius Caesar or Alexander the Great), the Japanese daimyo Oda Nobunaga should be on this list, as he actually was bi and had a male lover named Mori Ranmaru. Pre-Meiji Japan wasn't homophobic, unlike modern-day Japan, and male-male relationships called Shudo (similar to the ones that were in ancient Greece and Rome) were seen as honorable and were common amongst nobles, samurai and daimyo. Despite having a wife, Nobunaga used to practice Shudo too, and thus he was definitely a bisexual. If you called bi Alexander the Great and Caesar, then it means that the person in question doesn't have to identify himself as bi to be considered one.

This link contains references to Ranmaru as Nobunaga's "handsome young lover". It's a reliable source. I hope you can now read it. You said it showed up as a blank page when I sent this link once, but I can clearly read it.

https://books.google.it/books?id=1ha9GgWNmy0C&pg=PA283&lpg=PA283&dq=oda+nobunaga+mori+ranmaru+shudo&source=bl&ots=MMOwm9tWAi&sig=ACfU3U3W8WK3LFcEdTrjBVafTeFi0bWwvQ&hl=it&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwij7-W87erpAhXNQxUIHShKAsEQ6AEwBHoECBAQAQ#v=onepage&q=oda%20nobunaga%20mori%20ranmaru%20shudo&f=false 79.45.218.120 (talk) 14:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

  Not done When I click on this link, I still get a page whose only readable text is the Italian equivalent of Google Books' "This page is not available for viewing" notice. I don't know why it would be working differently for me than it is for you, but it is. Bearcat (talk) 17:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Quotation from the google books page, which took quite a while to display the text – Neil, James (2009). The Origins and Role of Same-Sex Relations in Human Societies. McFarland. p. 283.
The constant civil warfare of the Sengoku period, with the inevitable emphasis on military valor and warrior ethos, saw the full flowering of the noble love and idealism of shudo. Later Japanese historians mark the period as the point when the idealistic homosexual love of the shudo tradition became universal among the samurai class. By the late fifteenth-century, shudo had come to be regarded as a longstanding tradition of the samurai that must be preserved. In a 1482 commentary on shudo, Ijiri Chusuke, argued,
In our empire of Japan this way flourished from the time of the great master Kobo... In the world of the nobles and the warriors, lovers would swear perfect and eternal love relying on no more than their mutual good will. Whether their partners were noble or common, rich or poor, was absolutely of no importance... In all these case they were greatly moved by the spirit of this way. This way must be truly respected, and it must never be permitted to disappear.
Written histories of the many battles of the Sengoku period include a number of accounts of the heroism and valor inspired by love between knight and squire. It was in this period, too, that a ship carrying Portuguese Jesuit missionaries led by Francis Xavier was blown off course on its way to China and landed in Japan, resulting in the first Western accounts, mentioned earlier in the chapter, of "the abominable vice against nature" that flourished among the Japanese.
In the mid-sixteenth-century, a powerful regional daimyo, Oda Nobunaga, took control of Kyoto and, displaying a genius for military strategy, prevailed against the other daimyo lords and started gradually unifying the country. By distributing fiefdoms to his vassals and granting continuing privileges to powerful local landowners, temples and monasteries, Nobunaga managed to pacify large regions of the country while preventing the rise of potential regional rivals. Nobunaga's rule was cut short, however, by the treachery of one of his commanders who led a rebellion against him. Surrounded by his enemies, Nobunaga was forced to commit suicide. Nobunaga's death, with his handsome young lover, Mori Ranmaru, fighting till death beside him, provided one of the great romantic images of the noble love of the samurai of that era, an episode recounted in later histories, featured in works of fiction, and depicted in art - and now even featured in a video game. Northernhenge (talk) 19:42, 12 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

Alla Nazimova - Ukrainian or Russian?

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she was born in what is now Ukraine, but that doesn't mean her parents were Ukrainian. Every source I've seen describes them as ethnically Jewish, and she was Russian by culture. I don't know if her parents felt culturally Russian, or part of the Russian nation, or not. She had an abusive childhood with time in foster homes, so what her parents felt like may not have had much influence on her. 92.41.131.56 (talk) 14:43, 12 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

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