Talk:List of groove metal bands

Rob Zombie

Man, he really gets no respect in this industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.168.207.237 (talk) 18:11, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Mudvayne?

I'm removing Mudvayne from the list because... really? Groove metal? — 99.25.89.2 (talk) 08:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with this person. Mudvayne should be removed from the list. They should be in a alternative metal category. Defineoffensiveusername (talk) 03:22, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

mudvayne is a groove band, just like infectious grooves is. Inf.h5n1 (talk) 11:54, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I re-added Mudvayne, using Phil Freeman review of Throwdown's Deathless ("[Throwdown] shifted from the thick-necked, straight-edge hardcore of their early catalog to a version of the "groove metal" practiced by Pantera, [...] The music, too, has a lot of Mudvayne's combination of groove and progressive epic-ness") as a source. Nite-Sirk (talk) 21:38, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Well groove metal is defined as slowed down thrash metal with death metal/hardcore punk vocals and industrial elements, so i think some of Mudvayne's stuff fits in well in this category, but Obviously i wouldn't call their more radio friendly stuff groove metal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.220.148 (talk) 20:44, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Merely mentioning the word 'groove' in a review doesn't mean the band is 'groove metal', however, and at any rate I agree, Mudvayne are (or were) a textbook example of a nu-metal band. Not groove metal or post thrash at all.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 02:21, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Threat Signal

every metalcore\deathcore bnd has a groove, because the core comes from the groove. but that doesnt makes them a groove metal band. just finifshed listening to 2 threat signal CD's, they are defenetly not a groove band, even though they do have a groove. i think they should be out of this list. Inf.h5n1 (talk) 11:56, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if you think they're not groove metal, it is sourced from Noisecreep ("they bear a strong resemblance to the melodic groove metal [...] from earlier days of Brazil's Sepultura and Soulfly") and Hour Community ("nice blend of thrash and groove metal, Hamilton, Ontario’s Threat Signal, with a little luck, could break big"). Nite-Sirk (talk) 21:38, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Rage Against the Machine?

I think that Rage Against The Machine is a groove metal band, listen to "Take The Power Back", "Wind Below", "Bulls On Parade" and multiple others. They do have rap metal, funk metal. I seriously people they are groove metal! panicpack121 12:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay, but do you have a reliable source calling Rage Against the Machine a "groove metal" band? RG (talk) 02:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Found one. From the Worcester Telegram Gazette: "works of Rage Korn and Incubus" RG (talk) 20:21, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

It's not relible. Fuck off! — 82.181.146.206 (talk) 15:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Why is not reliable? Nite-Sirk (talk) 21:38, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Let's accept it

Lots of bands here shouldn't belong to the list even if each entry has "professional" citation on the genre. 189.122.192.109 (talk) 19:47, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Five Finger Death Punch

I've seen them referred to as a groove metal band several times in articles and it states this on their Spotify biography as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.57.204.108 (talk) 03:23, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

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So Many Bands That Aren't Groove Metal

All of the bands listed here are not groove metal and most of these band's pages make no mention of the groove metal genre. Many of them are partially groove metal, but not enough to warrant a placement on the list of groove metal bands.

Acid Drinkers are a Thrash metal band. Links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_Drinkers https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Acid_Drinkers/4682

Arkaea is a Metalcore band. Link: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Arkaea/3540286099

Atrocity is a Death/Gothic metal band. Links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_(band)

Biohazard is a Hardcore Punk and rap metal band, the "groove" that the band has is from its rap metal and Nu-metal influences. This is a Groove Metal list, not a rap Metal or a Nu-metal list.

Bleed From Within is a Metalcore band primarily, with none of their albums having a primarily groove metal sound. They have more of a Melodic Death metal sound than a groove metal sound, and I would note that they aren't on the list of Melodic Death metal bands.

Bleed The Sky is a Metalcore band

Bloodsimple is a Metalcore/Nu-metal band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodsimple

Body Count is a Crossover Thrash and a (in my personal opinion) Nu-metal band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_Count_(band)

Brujeria is a Death Metal/Grindcore band. Yes their most recent two albums do feature a "groovier" sound, but still they are solidly Death Metal. https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Brujeria/1347

City Of Fire is an Alternative/Progressive metal band. Not sure why their wiki page mentions groove metal, their sound is squarely in the Alt-metal genre.

Cyclone Temple is a Thrash metal band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_Temple https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cyclone_Temple/3067

Cypecore is a Melodic Death metal and Industrial metal band. The groove influence comes from the Industrial influence. This isn't an Industrial metal bands list.

Dire is a Metalcore band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dire_(band) https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dire/3540435714

Disciple is a Nu-metal and hard rock band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciple_(band)

Dog Fashion Disco is an Alternative/Progressive/Avant-Garde metal band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_Fashion_Disco

Down For Life is a Metalcore/Thrash metal band with barely any groove influences at all.

Dry Kill Logic is a Nu-metal band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_Kill_Logic

Divine Heresy is a Death Metal/Metalcore band. Not groove metal like Fear Factory is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Heresy

Earth Crisis is a Hardcore Punk band which occasionally dabbled in some Alternative metal. Not groove. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Crisis

Entombed is a Death n' Roll band. Death n' Roll does have a "groovy" sound to it, but it's not groove metal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entombed_(band)

Eths is a Death Metal/Nu-metal band with barely any pure groove metal influence.

Flaw is a Nu-metal band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaw_(band)

From Zero is a Nu-metal band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Zero

Fasedown is a Metalcore band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasedown

Flawed By Design is a Metalcore band with barely any groove influence.

Forbidden is a Thrash metal band with one album that was groove metal, not sure that's enough to warrant a placement on this list.

Forever Never is an Alternative metal band.

Hacktivist is a rap metal band with some Djent influences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacktivist_(band)

The Haunted is a Melodic Death/Thrash metal band with none of their albums primarily influenced by groove metal.

Helmet is an Alternative metal band. Yes they do groove, but they aren't heavy enough to be groove metal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmet_(band)

Infected Rain is a Nu-metal/Metalcore/Melodic Death metal band. The groove influence is from their Nu-metal influence.

Jungle Rot is a Death Metal band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungle_Rot https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Jungle_Rot/1094

Mary Beats Jane is a Hardcore band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Beats_Jane

Master is a Thrash/Speed metal band with only a slight groove metal influence. Not enough to be on this list. https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80/208

Merauder is a Metalcore band with a somewhat Thrash metal sound. Not groove metal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merauder https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Merauder/3540382563

Mortification is a Death/Thrash metal band which dipped into groove metal only a bit on a couple albums. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortification_(band) https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mortification/792

Mudvayne is a Nu-metal band. There is groove influence, but it never stands alone in their sound.

Destruction (Neo-Destruction) is a Thrash/Black metal band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_(band) https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Destruction/155

Nonpoint is a Nu-metal band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonpoint

No Sin Evades His Gaze is a Progressive Metalcore band, with barely any groove influence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Sin_Evades_His_Gaze

Rise Of The Northstar is a Metalcore/Crossover Thrash band with barely any groove influences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_the_Northstar

Sarcofago is a Black/Death/Thrash metal band. Not groove. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarc%C3%B3fago https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sarc%C3%B3fago/2061

Sinsaenum is a Blackened Death Metal band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinsaenum

Spoil Engine is a Melodic Death metal/Metalcore band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoil_Engine https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Spoil_Engine/63903

Stuck Mojo is a rap metal band, not Groove Metal. The grooviness comes from the Nu-metal, not pure groove metal.

Superjoint is a Sludge metal band. Not sure why the wiki page says groove metal.

Threat Signal is a Metalcore/Melodic Death metal band with a bit of groove influence, but not very much. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threat_Signal

Upon A Burning Body is a Metalcore/Deathcore band primarily, with none of their albums having a primarily groove influence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upon_a_Burning_Body

Vision Of Disorder is a Hardcore punk/Alternative metal band with a bit of groove on their third album. Not enough to be considered a groove metal band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_of_Disorder

XIII Minutes is a Nu-metal/Metalcore band. The groove influences come from Nu-metal and this isn't a Nu-Metal list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XIII_Minutes 2600:6C40:5500:9900:925:CC12:E097:A093 (talk) 18:55, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

all of them are sourced --FMSky (talk) 19:36, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

So? How is Earth Crisis, Biohazard, Entombed, Stuck Mojo, Nonpoint, and all the rest of these groove metal? 2600:6C40:5500:9900:925:CC12:E097:A093 (talk) 19:42, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

If someone described Lorna Shore or Evanescence or something "groove metal" would they go on this list too? 2600:6C40:5500:9900:925:CC12:E097:A093 (talk) 19:44, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

If multiple reliable sources do so, then literally yes. Metal Archives is also not considered reliable, per WP:UGC --FMSky (talk) 19:47, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

This list also doesnt only include bands that are exclusively groove metal but also ones who've had a couple albums in that style -- FMSky (talk) 19:49, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Right which is why I kept bands like Sacred Reich and Exodus. But those I got rid of had no albums that were primarily groove metal. There should be some sort of objectiveness we go by when classifying bands by genre. The truth of the matter is that Nonpoint, Stuck Mojo etc. are Nu-metal, and Biohazard, Earth Crisis, etc. are hardcore punk. If the band's Wikipedia articles don't describe them as groove metal, then they shouldn't be on the list. 2600:6C40:5500:9900:925:CC12:E097:A093 (talk) 19:57, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Also, describing something as "having groove" doesn't make it groove metal. That's what a lot of these sources do; just describe the music as "groovy". 2600:6C40:5500:9900:925:CC12:E097:A093 (talk) 20:05, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

What do you think about dividing the article into bands that are primarily groove metal and ones that just have it as one of their secondary genres / are influenced by it`? --FMSky (talk) 21:09, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

That's actually a really good idea. 2600:6C40:5500:9900:925:CC12:E097:A093 (talk) 04:08, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Division Into Two Sections

I have divided the article into two sections; one with artists that are primarily groove metal, and one with artists that play groove metal only as a secondary genre/influence. Let me know of any thoughts/comments/additions/changes. 2600:6C40:5500:9900:90DA:BA28:9DEF:F5AB (talk) 20:27, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

did you remove some bands in the process though? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_groove_metal_bands&diff=prev&oldid=1162067944 cause your post was tagged with "−2,796" and "references removed" --FMSky (talk) 21:01, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

There were a couple of bands that weren't marked anywhere as groove metal and their references didn't mention groove metal at all, so I removed those.

Also, Dominus belongs in the secondary category, as their discography is primarily death metal. Only their last 2 albums are primarily groove metal, while their first 4 releases are primarily death metal.

Volbeat belongs in the primary section in my opinion because only 4 of their 9 albums (including their demo album) aren't primarily groove metal.

Also, I would say that groove metal is a primary genre of Black Label Society. 2600:6C40:5500:9900:90DA:BA28:9DEF:F5AB (talk) 00:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)