Talk:List of leaders of Ukraine

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Please look at this article List of Russian rulers. Why does the Ukrainian one start at 1917, yet that one at 860? Does any one else find this at all strange? Ostap 00:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Because some idiot claims that Russians were in 860, although we all know that it is not true. There was no such nationality as Russian at that time, but various diffrent Slavic tribes that had no clue that they will be forced into union of Rus. Russian nationality was established with Petro I. Until then they were know as Moskovites that liberate themselves from Kyiv. Moskovites included various northern slavic tribes. In XVIII century Petro I decided to call his people as Russians as well as his empire relating it to Rus. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

PM

Should the PM's be included? Esp. since 2006 the have gained (a lot?) more power. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 14:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I placed them/her in the See also section. — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Besides, I do not believe that Hrushevsky was the President. There was no such actual title. And as far as I perceive his position resembles more of Prime-minister rather than President. The reason is he was a federalist and expected that Ukraine would be in some sort of union with Russia. Of course, then there were communists that as always trying just get in the way and wants to be rich by doing nothing except talking bad about others. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 19:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Why?

Why is this article? There is an article List of Ukrainian rulers. - Корінь (talk) 20:17, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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Gaps

For anyone else trying to piece together the complexities of Ukrainian history...

As mentioned above, there is another page, List of Ukrainian rulers, which goes much deeper into history.

During the German occupation, the chief administrator was Erich Koch.

There is something going on in the years 1941-1954 that I haven't figured out. This page currently says that Leonid Korniyets was head of state (chairman of the Rada) 1938-1939 and 1939-1954. But Korniyets's wikipedia bio only mentions 1939-1944... which indeed matches List of prime ministers of Ukraine. So Korniyets was (also?) prime minister 1939-1944, and was then succeeded by Khrushchev, who was prime minister 1944-1947, and who was also head of the Communist Party of Ukraine 1940-1947. Mporter (talk) 07:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Republic in exile

This article lists five presidents but President_of_Ukraine#In_exile says that the office of president was created in 1948 and that there were four, whilst President of Ukraine (in exile) says similar. -- Beardo (talk) 00:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

WP:REDUNDANTFORKs

As I've also said about List of Russian monarchs, this article is full of WP:REDUNDANTFORKs. There are already separate lists for:

• Grand Prince of Kiev, "The first princes", "Princes of Kiev" and "Grand princes of Kiev"
• Prince of Chernigov#List of princes
• Prince of Pereyaslavl#List of princes of Pereyaslavl
• List of rulers of Galicia and Volhynia
• King of Ruthenia#List of kings of Ruthenia
• Hetmans of Ukrainian Cossacks

Etc. We don't need duplicate or even triplicate all the same information. I think the same solution as with List of wars involving Kievan Rus' as an Template:Excerpt in List of wars involving Ukraine is a good idea. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 00:33, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

• User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Grand Prince of Kiev integrated list I created a draft for an integrated list here. What do you think? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:18, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
• Per WP:TOOBIG the current list almost certainly should be divided. With 124 KB, it exceeds the upper limit of 100 kB. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:25, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
• At Talk:Prince of Polotsk#Various issues I've pointed out similar issues when it comes to pre-1918 "Belarus(ian territory)". See also Talk:List of national leaders of Belarus#Before 1918. TL;DR: we shouldn't be using the modern post-1991 borders of the three existing countries as a geographical framework for historiographic purposes. Our lists of "rulers/leaders/monarchs/princes" should be based on the historic states/former countries rather than the three which exist today. The latter approach only results in WP:REDUNDANTFORKs, and arbitrary/subjective/nationalistic/anachronistic/pseudohistorical frameworks, with all three modern countries claiming all or (selectively) part of the heritage/legacy of Kievan/Kyivan Rus' and the post-1240 Rus' principalities. E.g. there is no reason for us to (uncritically) accept Polotsk/Polatsk as the/a "predecessor" of modern Belarus, Vladimir-Suzdal as the/a "predecessor" of the Russian Federation, or Halych-Volyn/Galicia-Volhynia as the/a "predecessor" of modern Ukraine. There are countless problems with each of these claims. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:37, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree with you, also voivodes of Kiev weren't "leaders of Ukraine", but the provincial officials appointed by the Polish King, likewise Cossacks hetmans before 1649 were simply military leaders of the various unrelated hosts. There was no Hetmanate as an institution yet, and basically every commander was calling himself "hetman". This is a clear case of WP:OR Marcelus (talk) 22:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)