Talk:List of councils (Boy Scouts of America)

Mergers, dissolutions and renames

Transcluded from Template talk:Scoutorg BSA:

Completed

• Detroit Area Council and Clinton Valley Council merged to Great Lakes Council (2009)
• Finger Lakes Council and Otetiana Council merged to Seneca Waterways Council (2009)
• Keystone Area Council and York-Adams Area Council merged to New Birth of Freedom Council (2010)
• Hiawatha Seaway Council and Cayuga County Council merged to Longhouse Council (2010)
• Concho Valley Council renamed to Texas Southwest Council (2011)
• Southeast Wisconsin Council and Milwaukee County Council merged to Three Harbors Council (2011)
• Penn's Woods Council and Greater Pittsburgh Council merged to Laurel Highlands Council (2011)
• Ouachita Area Council merged with Quapaw Area Council (2012) [1]
• Michigan Crossroads Council (2012)
  • Gerald R. Ford Council and Scenic Trails Council merged into President Gerald R. Ford Field Service Council
  • Lake Huron Area Council, Blue Water Council, Tall Pine Council and Chief Okemos Council merged into Water and Woods Field Service Council
  • Southwest Michigan Council and Great Sauk Trail Council merged into Southern Shores Field Service Council
  • Great Lakes Council renamed to Great Lakes Field Service Council
• Shawnee Trails Council merged into Lincoln Heritage Council (2012)
• Hiawathaland Council merged into Bay-Lakes Council (2012)
• Chehaw Council and Alapaha Area Council merged into South Georgia Council (2012) [2] [3]
• Monterey Bay Area Council and Santa Clara County Council merged into Silicon Valley Monterey Bay Council (2012)[4]
• Southern New Jersey Council and Burlington County Council merged to Garden State Council (2013). [5]
• Virgin Islands Council acquired by National Capital Area Council (2013)
• Central New Jersey Council dissolved (2013) [6]
• Potomac Council merged into Laurel Highlands Council (2014) [7]
• Coastal Empire Council and Okefenokee Area Council merged to Coastal Georgia Council (2014)
• Tri-State Area Council merged into Buckskin Council (2014)
• Chicago Area Council, Northwest Suburban Council, Des Plaines Valley Council and Calumet Council merged to Pathway to Adventure Council (2014)
• Bucks County Council (Boy Scouts of America) renamed to Washington Crossing Council (2015)
• NeTseO Trails Council merged to Circle Ten Council (2017) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baconfatlabs (talk • contribs) 17:30, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

In process

• Boston Minuteman Council and Yankee Clipper Council merging to Spirit of Adventure Council;[8][9][10] New Hampshire units merging into Daniel Webster Council
• Annawon Council and Narragansett Council.[11]
• Nashua Valley Council and Mohegan Council merger.[12]
• San Gabriel Valley Council and Los Angeles Area Council merger.[13]

Monitor

Not passed

• Mount Diablo Silverado Council and San Francisco Bay Area Council [14] (2012)

Substance of article

Did anyone else notice that this article made User:RadioFan's "Prod log"? The stated reason is, "Wikipedia is not an ISP for the BSA nor is it here to promote it with this unencyclopedic list." Looking at MOS:LIST, I believe that it meets the three stated purposes: Information, Navigation, and Development. Thoughts? --evrik ^(talk) 12:48, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

I saw the PROD yesterday and was going to refute it after a bit of consideration, and I was tied up in some template discussions. The log is a standard Twinkle feature. --  Gadget850 ^talk 15:14, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

No, I know about twinkle. ;-) I was referring to the fact that the article had been tagged in the first place, and logged. --evrik ^(talk) 22:55, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I prod'd it and the prod (which was applied to my log so I could keep up with it) and the prod was challenged. That's how it works. Before I bring this article and all the council articles above up for deletion discussion, I'd like to hear thoughts on why these articles may meet notability guidelines. I'm particularly concerned about the lack of 3rd party references.--RadioFan (talk) 03:02, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

You starting two discussions. Lets start with this article.

As noted at WP:LISTPURP:

• Information: Does this list provide information? Yes, it provides a comprehensive list of BSA councils and associated camps and lodges. Frankly, this is hard to find elsewhere, although the list is not yet fully populated.
• Navigation: This list provides links to main articles and redirects to Scouting by state articles where there is no main article. It also provides links to camp and lodge articles, although these are mainly redirects as few camps and one lodge are notable separately from the council.
• Development: The red links show articles not created, although the majority of these should be redirects and are being created as such.
• Lists and categories: This list works with Category:Local councils of the Boy Scouts of America.

The list is a month old today and is actively being updated. Red links are having redirects or articles created as needed. Please define how you see it as unencyclopedic.

"the council articles above" You do realize that articles such as Detroit Area Council are redirects. The mergers discussed above occur when local councils legally merge, rename or dissolve and we update the articles. --  Gadget850 ^talk 17:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I was puzzled about the list being unencyclopedic. In fact, I went to Wikipedia:Encyclopedic, and what i found there reinforces my belief that the information found here is appropriate. Repeating what I said before, looking at MOS:LIST, I believe that it meets the three stated purposes: Information, Navigation, and Development. I also agree with what Gadget850 said. --evrik ^(talk) 22:55, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree that the list is certainly encyclopedic and valuable. It is supported by the MOS:LIST. One of the two references is a substantive second party source. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 07:37, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Additional info in list

I'd like to see the list include the councils that have been closed as the result of mergers. If my memory serves me correctly, about thirty years there were about 400 councils. For example, the SF Bay Area Council merged with the Oakland Area Council in the 1960s. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 07:40, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

• Defunct local councils of the Boy Scouts of America --evrik ^(talk) 14:16, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

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How many councils?

By my count there's 459 listed names. 5 have the word "service" in the name. 1 is National. 4 are the regions. That leaves 449 "real" councils. Did I miss something, because that's a lot higher than the "272" that the page mentions. Banaticus (talk) 17:16, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Banaticus are you counting the left hand names only?

• Michigan Crossroads Council has four field service councils, each with an assigned council number, the same with New York City
• The numbers have gaps in sequence-in the 1950s, there were over 500 councils, many single-counties. In the 1970s and again in the 1990s, many of the smaller ones were merged.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 01:35, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

I did a Find All for "service" and only 5 results came up. It looks like the four Michigan service councils were four of the five. I also copy/pasted the table into Excel and then scrolled down to see how many rows there were, so gaps in the assigned numbers shouldn't make a difference. Banaticus (talk) 21:00, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Banaticus, I don't understand your quest, then; are you seeking the word Service for a reason?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:21, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm trying to figure out how many councils there are. The page says 272, but the table seems to list 459 (with 449 "real" councils). So which number is correct? 272 or 449? Banaticus (talk) 16:27, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

How many councils are there

The article on councils says that there are 253 councils. This articles says there are 272 councils? Which is correct?John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)