Talk:List of mass shootings in Russia

Mass shootings ?

Quite a number of cases with "only" 2 or 3 dead were added to this list - why ? On grounds of inflating it a bit to get a more dramatic impression ? --2001:A61:2B09:B901:1D27:F5BA:5F28:A4A (talk) 09:04, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

The usual definition is at least 4 people shot in one incident, regardless of how many were killed. Jim Michael (talk) 09:42, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

I removed incidents that did not have at least 4 killed/injured. As always when discussing this topic, the definitions are blurry, but hey. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:15, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Mass shootings with less than four killed/injured are still mass shootings TwoThousandWeeks (talk) 02:53, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Not according to the most used definitions. Most other pages on Wiki use the "at least 4 shot" definition. Of course there are a few rare ones that use less than four but there are dozens of definitions. If we were going to include the most expansive ones we would be including every single time more than one person was shot, which is both unwieldly and unencyclopedic.

The only useful argument I could see for including the lower numbered incidents is that if Russia specifically has a commonly accepted definition of mass shooting that differs from the West's. I don't think that's the case though. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:57, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Then I think it’s need pointing out in the article that only incidents with 4 and more shot people are presented in the list TwoThousandWeeks (talk) 03:07, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah fair enough. I do wonder what the Russian perspective on these incidents as a whole is, that would probably be good context to add to the lead of the article. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:19, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Bryansk

Smeagol 17 TwoThousandWeeks, please resolve issues here before this escalates into an edit war Borgenland (talk) 04:55, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

https://t.me/bazabazon/23565 "ранила четверых учеников (трех мальчиков и одну девочку)" TwoThousandWeeks (talk) 14:15, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

BBC is a "reliable source" here. Basa isnt. Also, early information is less reliable. See also here https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/6394433 " 14-летняя ученица восьмого класса, открыла стрельбу, а затем совершила самоубийство. В результате погибла еще одна школьница, пятеро подростков пострадали." The list contains all injured in the incidents, regardless of cause. Smeagol 17 (talk) 05:00, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

No. TwoThousandWeeks (talk) 11:41, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Elaborate, please. You can see from the other incidents on the page and even Bryansk school shooting page itself that this is true. Not to mention that we follow reliable sources, which your telegramm post .. isn't. Smeagol 17 (talk) 14:40, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 December 2023

Request that the numbers for Bryansk be updated to 7 shot and 5 injured because that is what the last source mentioned prior to locking (BBC) said, not the unsupported numbers given by the last editor. Borgenland (talk) 18:40, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: there needs to be clear consensus before an admin will make a change through full protection. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:42, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Traumatic weapons

I want to ask the contributors of this article as to whether incidents involving traumatic weapons should be considered as mass shootings in this article. These weapons are non-lethal, but we can see that they can be used to deadly effect, such as the recent familicide in Stavropol. I personally think no, but I want to make a consensus.

@Unknown4321unknown @PARAKANYAA @Swinub Lettlre (talk) 18:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

What was that Stavropol case described as in the coverage? As a mass shooting, or was notably different terminology used? We should describe it similarly to how the sources do. If they describe it using the same terminology as other attacks, I don't see why not. It's a firearm, just one intended to be non lethal.

I mean, in my opinion, it's a "shooting". People are being shot. The shooting in Izhevsk, one of the worst in Russia ever, was done with converted traumatic weapons and that was pretty universally described as a "mass shooting". Excluding that would be pretty egregious PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I want to note that according to another sources, Izhevsk shooting was committed using real Makarov pistols. The use of "converted traumatic weapons" is not fully confirmed TwoThousandWeeks (talk) 22:17, 2 April 2024 (UTC)