Talk:List of ministers for finance (Denmark)

The post was not created in 1913, as the article currently states. Fx Jacob Brønnum Scavenius Estrup was finance minister. You can find older finance ministers back to 1848 at [1]. Thue | talk 21:24, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I was going to check up on that, but you're right. The office was created in 1848. The page looks like a good source. --Valentinian 21:38, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

What is your source for the fact that the post was created in 1848? Thue | talk 05:41, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

The Finance Ministry of Denmark. [[2]]. "Ved ministerialreformen i 1848, der gennemførtes ved kgl. kundgørelse af 24. november 1848, oprettedes et samlet Finansministerium. Der er en lige og ubrudt linje herfra og til det moderne Finansministerium, som vi kender det i dag. Med oprettelsen af Finansministeriet fulgte udarbejdelsen af det første samlede årlige statsbudget i form af et finanslovforslag, der kunne vedtages af Rigsdagen." --Valentinian 06:56, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I need more coffee, sorry. It's the first Finance Ministry which was formed in 1848. But I still find it odd to compare institutions from Absolutist Denmark with Constitutional Denmark. --Valentinian 07:00, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

It is my impression that a minister always have a ministry, and a ministry always have a minister, so the two things are alike. But that said, [3] indicates that the Finance Ministry was a new institution, as you said.

I don't find it that odd to compare absolutist and constitutional institutions; they were doing the same thing, and were probably controlled by much the same people as everybody in the Skatkammerkollegie/rentekammer was not purged overnight in 1848 [4]. Thue | talk 08:34, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Good references for Rentekammeret seem to be [5], [6], [7], [8]. Thue | talk 08:39, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I'll have a look at them. You are right of cause, it is not that odd, but I still see 1848/49 as a watershed when it comes to both ministries and their ministers, although the situations are very closely related. My main motivation is the introduction of a Parliament which - no doubt - was just as interested in going through the books as some people are today. The fact that the Minister and his Ministry were no longer accountable to merely the law and the King but suddenly accountable to Parliament - and under closer scrutiny by both MPs and the public - must have had an influence on ministerial procedures. Based on my experiences in the political system, I can't imagine a situation in which this would not occur. For the same reason, I don't like the idea of comparing elected officials to merely appointed ones.

But that said, by all means, if the sources are good enough these ministers can easily be added to the list, with a few headlines added to clearly distinguish elected officials from appointed ones. For the time being, I think I'll focus on creating a few more lists of cabinet ministers, and then try to expand them later. --Valentinian 16:08, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Since the predecessors to the ministry of finance seem to have a distinct name, and not quite the same tasks, it makes sense to make a seperate article if we want to include dem. Thue | talk 18:44, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I'll second that suggestion. For now, I'll focus on expanding the list to include 1848. We can always add the other information later (that's one of the great things about Wikipedia.) --Valentinian 20:42, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

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