Talk:List of national border changes (1914–present)

Good luck

Good luck, honestly there is no way in which you are going to be able to get every single border change. A better option would to be to break it into continents and then do it that way, nice and slowly. That would also be better for the reader. I recommend going this way:

List of national border changes in Europe in the twentieth century

Good luck! --Midnighttonight please tell me off for procrastinating on my essay! 22:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

at least wanted to show the main ones which would be seen in world maps. if/when it gets large enough it can be broken into smaller articles. Arranged them by continent now to make it easier to read. --Astrokey44 23:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

20th Century

Isn't 20th century a rather arbitrary division of time? (and contributors have ignored this restriction) Perhaps this article needs to be split more "logically"? For example Border changes since WW2, since collapse of Communism in Europe.... What do people think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Signor Eclectic (talk • contribs)

it could be renamed List of national border changes since World War I? since that would apply to everything currently in the article --Astrokey44 02:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Minor border changes

Is there no article (not a list) on small-scale corrections of international borders (something like “border correction”, perhaps?) to match de:Grenzbereinigung? 22:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Move request

List of national border changes in the twentieth century → List of national border changes since World War I —(Discuss)— The current article forces us to leave out East Timor and Montenegro, but these should be included since they are really the same era as the rest of the changes. — Juppiter 14:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC) copied 20:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Please add short comments here.

• Strongly Oppose Omitting the changes in the Balkans after the Balkan Wars, and the Japanese annexation of Korea, would be far more artificial. Septentrionalis 20:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Good point (however, they are already omitted.) How about "List of national border changes *since* the twentieth century?" Juppiter 22:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Yes, and that's a defect in the article. Septentrionalis 14:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Discuss

In fact, East Timor probably should be here. Its independence of Indonesia, and therefore the Indonesia border change, was in 1999; the question that took until 2002 was whether the country on the other side should be Portugal. Montenegro can be a note on the breakup of Yugoslavia. Septentrionalis 20:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I think that the indonesian annexation of East Timor can really be said to have ended on 1999, as the referendum was held on that year, and UNTAET was established as a response to the result of the referendum (IIRC). As a note, I don't think that there was a serious question on whether Portugal would be on the other side, as Portugal had already vowed to recognize Portuguese Timor as an independent state shortly after 1974. Nuno J. Silva (talk) 16:33, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Egypt

The Egyptian boundary with Libya can be seen on old maps as an irregular curve. When did it become the modern straight line? Septentrionalis 20:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Could you link to an example? Do you mean the slight curve at the north end of the border? --Astrokey44 12:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Border Change Omission

HI - This regards the List of National Border Changes since WW1.

Seems to me one may be missing. I am referring to the border between Japan and Russia in the the far east of Asia. Prior to WW2 Japan controlled the Kurile Islands and also the Southern part of the island of Sakhalin.

In the final days of WW2 Russia took it all. Today there are disputes, but it seems to me that should be listed as a border change.

I'm new to Wikipedia so I don't know how to change these things, but if someone could please check that out and update it I'd appreciate it.

Paul C. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.129.148.39 (talk) 03:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Excellent source to find out border changes

I stumbled upon this source which is from the U.S. government that is filled with information about the history of border changes throughout the world, from this site I've found information about when Libya's modern-day boundaries were founded after World War I as well as information about the transfer of some territory of French West Africa to French Equatorial Africa in 1931. The information on this cite uses studies done in the 1960s and 70s, but it seems good to find information from some years prior to then. This is the link [1] --R-41 01:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Panama Canal Zone

Shouldn't the change of the Panama Canal Zone back to Panama be placed under North America and not South America? The countries in the region are technically considered part of North America. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.16.129 (talk) 21:01, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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like man everything is in large text is it okay to change ? ill change happily for anybody says it okay also how can articles become feautered like on main page of wiki —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.101.89.157 (talk) 17:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Togo

The text says that most of German Togoland went to the British, and a slim portion to the French. I think it happened the other way around. French Togo become Togo, and British Togoland joined Ghana, as evident from wiki :) Kunadam (talk) 08:43, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Contradiction

Both of these statements cannot be true:

On September 8, following the signing of the Anglo-French Convention of September 8, 1919, the borders of Italian Libya and French Chad are settled to the present-day boundaries.[1] A few days later, the borders of western and southwestern Libya are extended to their current boundaries after French concessions with the Franco-Italian Arrangement of 12 September 1919.[2]

Possibly the first statement should be "the border between Italian Libya and French Chad is ..."

66.113.44.181 (talk) 01:10, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

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1919-1920

It is wrong to say that Czechoslovakia was formed in 1918 by the Treaties of St. Germain and Trianon, or even that these treaties dismantled Austria-Hungary. Czechoslovakia was formed, and the Dual Monarchy dissolved, in 1918. The treaties just regulated the exact borders. I'm not sure how this worked in practice in terms of Czechoslovakia. Certainly the Austrian portions were already functioning as a state from November 1918. I'm less sure of the Hungarian portions (i.e. Slovakia and Ruthenia) - parts of them may have remained under Hungarian control until later. But it's certainly wrong to say that all of this happened in 1919. Even de jure, Czechoslovakia was a recognized state by 1918. john k (talk) 15:46, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

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incorrect statement

""Togo is mostly taken by the British, though the French gain a slim portion; ""

This is incorrect, the part of German Togoland which came under French control ( the current Togo Republic ) was larger than the part of German Togoland which came under English control ( and later merged with Ghana ).```Lathamibird (talk) 11:13, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

incorrect statement

I understand that much of the changes during the Second World War were ultimately temporary and are covered under the WW2 sections, shouldn't permanent changes be included, as Bessarabia is? If this is the case, my understanding is that portions of Dobruja coming under control of Bulgaria that were affirmed in 1947 should be as well. This was made in the same treaties as various temporary changes were, however, this has lasted.

Needs Polish

A sentence is undated and on its own line (no bullet point): "Israel dismantles its settlements in the Northern Samaria region of the West Bank."

The entry about Nagorno-Karabakh is copy-pasted from an external source and contains markup errors too.

(I don't know how to fix these issues which is why I'm mentioning them here.)

Mpearson42 (talk) 01:09, 2 October 2021 (UTC)mpearson42

Sorting by type

It would be interesting to have a sortable table with a "type" column of some kind. I'm interested in seeing which changes have been accomplished by force, and filtering out decolonization and breakups and whatnot. -- Beland (talk) 01:20, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

This page is a mess, time to be bold

This page is generally inconsistent and suffers from years upon years of independent edits without standarisation. I'll list a few of the problems and say my thoughts on it.

- Using multiple date formats such as "1948, January 12" and "1949 — May 23"
Obviously this is bad, but I'm not sure what to change them to. I think I'll be bold and change them to yyyy-mm-dd, as per MOS:DATESNO.

- Lack of exact dates
Easier said than done. On very large things (Such as the collapse of Austria-Hungary and the Russian Empire), it should just be the year when all of those border changes happened. Otherwise, I think that on official treaties it should be the date from which point on it's in force. On invasions however... whatever fits best, I guess

- Listing declarations of wars and independence from colonial powers as border changes
- Unnecesary information (Is it really important to say that the Saarland bordered Luxembourg, France and Germany?)
Just remove them

- Enormous lack of sources
I'm not sure how to proceed with this, since I don't have any experience about them. And what warrants a source, and what doesn't?

Edit: Nevermind, the yyyy-mm-dd format does not look good. I will update all dates to use Template: Date and use the YMD format

ShadowOfThePit (talk) 11:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Include colonial (and similar) independences or not?

There is this sentence in the article introduction: "Cases are only listed where there have been changes in borders, not necessarily including changes in ownership of a territory. For instance, many European colonies in Africa became independent without any adjustment to their borders, although some did have many changes."

But there are a lot of entries specifically about "X country declares independence", ranging from various african colonies to the independence of the Soviet Republics to the establishement of the pacific associate states. What should be done about it? In my opinion, it should be decided on an individual basis, but still based on some set of rules. ShadowOfThePit (talk) 08:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)