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Not sure I would list the Hamilton games in Guelph as being a neutral site, because their home field was officially moved for those games. So the location in Guelph would be their home site for that part of the season and not neutral. Just like the year the Expos played part of the season in Puerto Rico, they were still considered home games and not neutral site games. -DJSasso (talk) 20:21, 27 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Well sure, and their home field was officially moved to Moncton for a game this year ("this counts as a home game for Hamilton") and in 2011 ("the team plays its home game in Moncton"). Toronto had their home field moved to Moncton for a game in 2010 ("We're especially excited to be the home team", "Toronto Argonauts to play 2010 regular-season home game in Moncton"). Every game in the last decade (I can't speak to the old ones) has had a team which had its home field officially moved and for which it is considered a home game. RS describe Guelph as a neutral site: [1].
Is it just a terminology issue? Is there an alternative title that you think would better describe games which involve a team that has had their home field officially moved? TDL (talk) 21:26, 27 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
I think maybe its just a different sport thing because neutral site game has a specific meaning usually in that they game is held far from either city. For example the NHL officially had neutral site games during the year for a number of years, like the Moncton game in the CFL. Where they did say the game was a neutral site game and neither teams home location was anywhere near the site. Whereas I look at the Ti-Cats situation as just being that the team changed venues for that season. Similar to say the Calgary Flames playing the Heritage Classic in McMahon stadium instead of the Saddledome or any number of teams that play in a temporary building while their new building is being built. In other words their games in Guelph were their permanent home during the season as opposed to a neutral site game being held in a completely different area of the country. Guelph is just down the road. I suppose if reliable sources are calling them such you could include them. But I would make it very obvious Guelph was their home location for that season. -DJSasso (talk) 14:21, 28 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Well, the Toronto Maple Leafs played some of those neutral site games in Hamilton [2], which is roughly the same distance as Hamilton-Guelph, so they weren't ALL nowhere near the home team's city. So did the Buffalo Sabres [3].
The problem with what you're suggesting is that we get into subjective evaluations of what qualifies as "down the road". How many km away does the game need to be to count as a neutral site"? Do the Argo games in London, Hamilton or Buffalo count? The Hamilton game in Toronto? Montreal in Kingston or Quebec? Ottawa in Montreal? Saskatchewan in Saskatoon? All of these could be argued to be not a "completely different area of the country". The WP:LSC I chose when writing the article was to include games played "outside the home city of both teams". I think this keeps it simple and avoids the WP:OR that would be necessary to do what you're proposing.
That being said, I think that some sort of footnote explaining the Guelph situation would be helpful. Any suggestions? TDL (talk) 17:04, 28 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Games played out of town is not the same as a neutral site. Guelph wasn't a neutral site. The banners surrounding the field had Tiger-Cat logos, not the logos of other teams. Alumni Field was Hamilton's home field for that entire season, and promoted as such. It should be removed from the list, or the name of the list changed to "List of CFL games where the home team had a different name than the city." (Which is absurd.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyAkeko (talk • contribs) 18:59, 23 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
"Alumni Field was Hamilton's home field for that entire season" - No, they also hosted a game in Moncton that year.
"Neutral site" merely means that the site of the game is neutral, not that there was no home team. Every single game ever played by the history of the CFL has had a home team. Even the Grey Cup has a designated "home team".[4] If you want to remove all games which had a home team then we might as well delete the entire list. I'm certainly open to alternatives, however the "Selection criteria should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources.". If you don't like listing games played outside the home market of the teams, as is currently done, what viable alternative are you proposing?
Your argument that this list should be be based on whether the team played its entire season at the stadium or not would lead to even more absurd results. For example, Hamilton played a few games at Ron Joyce Stadium last year, the Argos have played games Varsity Stadium, the Als played games at Delorimier Stadium in the 1950s, Molson Stadium in the 1970s/1990s, Autostade/Olympics Stadium in the 1970s and Olympics Stadium in the 2000/2010s all while their home games were primarily played at another stadium, and there was a split season by the Lions at BC Place/Empire Field during the renovation. All of these are even less of a "neutral site" than Guelph, so if we were to follow your suggestion the article would need to be renamed "List of games not played at the team's primary venue" or something to match the content.
You also seem to be proposing that this should become a "List of CFL games where the logos of the competing teams were not on the sidelines", which is even more convoluted and unencyclopedic. For example, we'd need to remove the Fort Mac pre-season game as it has being promoted as a home game of Edmonton for years.[5]
I don't think either suggestion to change the subject and title of the article would be an improvement. Any other alternatives? TDL (talk) 22:11, 23 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
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