Talk:List of openly LGBT heads of state and government

Jim McGreevey needs to be removed.

I am going to go ahead and remove Jim McGreevey from this list. This is a list of 'OUT' LGBT leaders. Jim McGreevey was not out and openly LGBT while he was governor. He was married to a woman the entire time. Unless we want to discuss chagning the rules of what it means to be "out" and when that coming out would apply to adding them to this list. Since this is about when they were heads of states, I have no choice but to removed him from now.

If you find this to be incorrect, please comment on it here so we can come to an agreement. Thank you.
VisaBlack (talk) 17:54, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello a suestion please If Jim McGreevey is still in the list although he came out while on office And history and Category:LGBT heads of governmentshows that William II of the Netherlands (was blackmiled for homo or bisexuality), Canaan Banana (was jailed for sodomy), Richard Hatfield (was outed after his death), Jerónimo Saavedra (came out after end of mandate) should they be put or what?? Especiamly Saavedra who came out while still in politics, and served before it two times. Any help please AdamPrideTN (talk) 04:00, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• Wait a minute, McGreevey was out for the last three months of his time as Governor. He came out on August 12, 2004 and didn't vacate the Governorship until November 15, 2004. OCNative (talk) 08:56, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

This section is typical of the 'homophobia light' attitude of many Wikipedia editors. I hope this is inadvertent, but the instinct to reduce the visibility of LGBT people is prevalent, and unacceptable. Adagio67 (talk) 09:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Presidents of Italian regions

Both Nichi Vendola and Rosario Crocetta were out and proud while serving as presidents of Apulia (2005-2015) and Sicily (2012-2017) Finedelledanze (talk) 17:42, 5 May 2018 (UTC) Should Antonino Spirli be added as the new governor of Calabria (from 15/10/2020)?79.19.38.217 (talk) 12:39, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

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About Jerónimo Saavedra considering putting Jim McGreevey on the list yet

Hello a suestion please If Jim McGreevey is still in the list although he came out while on office And history and Category:LGBT heads of governmentshows that William II of the Netherlands (was blackmiled for homo or bisexuality), Canaan Banana (was jailed for sodomy), Richard Hatfield (was outed after his death), Jerónimo Saavedra (came out after end of mandate) should they be put or what?? Especiamly Saavedra who came out while still in politics, and served before it two times. Any help please AdamPrideTN (talk) 04:01, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

This article is about openly LGBT heads of governments, not those accused of being so or out after their term. I don't understand why you are providing more prose detail about these people in the lead than the actual subjects of the article get further down. McGreevy should be in the table anyway since it was out during the last several months of his term. If you want a separate section about those not out during their term that can be discussed, but they don't need such prominence in the lead. I would be open to Saavedra especially. Reywas92^Talk 22:46, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

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About the Current president of Phillipines

Its going wild on the net that

• Rodrigo Duterte: President of the Philippines since 2016. Duterte has stated that he used to be gay, but was "cured" of his homosexuality when he met his wife, Elizabeth.

An ifentified user added this in the list of other for openly lgbt heads of government page Note that duterte is here hinting that being gay is disease (that he was cured of from) and that he made many ambigiuos controversial remarks What should be done What do u think ? Thank you! AdamPrideTN (talk) 07:05, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

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Why is Donald Trump here?

Why is he here? Furthermore, why is Boris Johnson here? Neither are openly bisexual.86.166.179.141 (talk) 19:42, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

What about Ruth Dreifuss?

President of Switzerland in 1999, openly lesbian, even if no wikipedia article endorse it. Any swiss person know she is — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.154.129.112 (talk) 20:36, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 30 March 2022

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Discussion deleted by proposer when new RM filed the next day. (non-admin closure) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

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List of openly LGBT heads of government → List of openly LGBT political leaders – With the election of Paolo Rondelli as Captain Regent of San Marino, as of Friday we will have the world's first openly LGBT head of state, meaning that just 'heads of government' is no longer accurate. JosephDB (talk) 13:32, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: That seems like a potentially large expansion of scope – e.g., adding Harvey Milk, Kyrsten Sinema, Tammy Baldwin, etc. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:19, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

  Perhaps something that would go halfway between the two? It doesn't seem appropriate to say heads of government given that there is also a head of state now, so perhaps something along the lines of "heads of government and state", though a bit wordy. JosephDB (talk) 19:39, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. JosephDB (talk) 19:42, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

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List of openly LGBT heads of government → List of openly LGBT heads of state and government – This will bring it in line with List of elected and appointed female heads of state and government, and is necessary as there is now an openly LGBT head of state, Paolo Rondelli. JosephDB (talk) 17:55, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

No particular objection on the article title, as long as we have a single list. Pichpich (talk) 18:37, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

• Support It makes more sense to rename this article instead of starting a new list for head of states. Gehenna1510 (talk) 23:11, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nominator's rationale. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:05, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support  Rafael Ronen  13:18, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

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Deputy heads of government and/or state,

Should openly LGBT deputy/vice-heads of government/state i.e deputy prime ministers and vice-presidents be included in this page? Fionn Kivlehan-Hayes (talk) 11:33, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Klaus Wowereit & Ole van Brust

Klaus Wowereit was Governing Mayor of Berlin and Ole van Beust was Mayor and President of the Senat of Hamburg. Both Berlin and Hamburg are states within Germany and they need to be included! Homoousian (talk) 21:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

 Added - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:01, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Mayors?

Should mayors be included in this list? Spain has a long list of LGBT mayors (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_politicians_in_Spain#Mayors) so I think it's best to just include national leaders or first-level sub-national leaders as to avoid this confusion JulenBengoitia (talk) 22:32, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@JulenBengoitia that is impossible, it must be the Autonomous communities of Spain to add politicians to the list  Rafael Ronen  12:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Where is a confirmation Pelletgrini’s gay?

As above. 5.173.111.214 (talk) 12:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)