Talk:List of people assassinated by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam

Sources

This list has been created as a result of Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_July_26#Category:People_by_organization_that_assassinated_them, where it was agreed to create a list of the contents of Category:People assassinated by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam before upmerging the category.

The list is simply a copy of the category listing as it exists today, so it is unsourced. However, I presume that articles were added to this category because the sources were provided in the articles, so editors may wish to add those references to this list. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:24, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Non-assassinations

This article is supposed to be a list of people assassinated by the LTTE but the "Senior military and police officers" sections included army officers killed in battle, mine blasts and in massacres. These are not assassinations. There are also three entries without any sources. I am going to remove these.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 13:57, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Pre-planned mine blasts and massacres by bomb blasts were also direct methods used by the terrorists to assassinate a group of important people at once during the war, hence those names are included in the list. If u can not agree with me, we can take this issue to WP:DR. -- Shehanw (talk) 03:55, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

You have reverted both my edits. Let me deal with them separately.

With my first edit I removed individuals who had been killed in battle, mine blasts and in massacres. These cannot be considered to be assassinations unless you provide reliable sources which say that they were assassinated, not just killed/murdered/massacred. You have not done this. Mines are a favourite weapon in many conflicts but they kill indiscriminately. Unless you can provide reliable sources which show that the LTTE deliberately placed the mines to assassinate these senior officers they cannot be included on the list.

With my second edit I requested better sources for entries supported by Society for Peace, Unity and human Rights in Sri Lanka (SPUR) or South Asia Terrorism Portal (SATP). Neither SPUR nor SATP are reliable sources. WP:SLR has classified them as Questionable Sources which means that they should be attributed. You have also used Lanka Web as a source elsewhere on this list. WP:SLR has classified Lanka Web to be an unreliable source. There are plenty of reliable, neutral sources out there but by using SPUR/SATP/Lank Web you have jeopardised the content of this list. If you cannot provide reliable, neutral sources any content sourced from SPUR/SATP/Lank Web will be removed.

This list only survived the Afd on the condition that reliable sources are provided to show that individuals included were assassinated by LTTE. I'm afraid your recent edits have added entries without reliable sources, thus making this article a WP:POVFORK.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 15:01, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

You have given me the answer I was expecting from you with regard to the names of 'Senior military and police officers' here. It was you who added the names of Lucky Wijayaratne and Ivan Boteju to the page List of assassinations of the Sri Lankan Civil War on 22 February 2014 [1]. And now with your this edit on 30 August 2014, you have removed the names of those two officers with some other entries from the List of people assassinated by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam saying they were not assassinated but were killed in the battle. I would like to know the reason for your contradictory behavior in English Wikipedia with regard to these two articles ?

The definition of assassination according to the merriam webster dictionary is [2]
1: "to kill (someone, such as a famous or important person) usually for political reasons"
2: "to murder (a usually prominent person) by sudden or secret attack often for political reasons". The term murder is also given as a synonym.

The oxford dictionary defines the term assassinate as Murder (an important person) for political or religious reasons
But in your reply you have stated that

"These cannot be considered to be assassinations unless you provide reliable sources which say that they were assassinated, not just killed/murdered/massacred."

Do you have any other special definition for the word 'assassination', which is different to the definitions given in above dictionaries?

I will replace the sources classified by SLR as unreliable sources with non questionable & reliable sources, so there is no necessity to remove any of the entries cited with them. WP:RELART still applies to this article and containing a significant amount of information in common with one another does not make either of the two articles a content fork. --Shehanw (talk) 10:38, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

@Shehanw: I don't recall the reason why I added Lucky Wijayaratne and Ivan Boteju to List of assassinations of the Sri Lankan Civil War but looking at it now they should be removed. You have given the definition of assassination but you have not provided reliable sources to show that these killings fall under the definition. If you can't provide reliable sources to show that the killings were for political reasons the entries must be removed. You have stated that you will provide "non questionable & reliable sources" but you haven't done so - SPUR and SATP are still there. You can shout until you are blue in the face that this isn't a POV fork but we all know that it is.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 14:39, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

As it has now been more than seven months and no reliable sources have been provided, I have removed entries supported by SATP and SPUR.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 13:54, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Removal of Content with RS

I have reverted the edits which have removed the entries with sources. Wikipedia has not blacklisted both SATP and SPUR as sources, so using them in this article with additional references is ok. Continuous removal of the names of assassinated people by the terrorists with sources will take this issue to the WP:ANI. --LahiruG ^talk 04:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@LahiruG: - It's clear you have not read the discussion above so I will repeat. WikiProject Sri Lanka Reconciliation has classified sources used in articles related to the "ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka" into three main groups: Reliable Sources (RS); Qualified Sources (QS); and Unreliable Sources (UnRS). The discussions for South Asia Terrorism Portal (SATP) and Society for Peace, Unity and Human Rights in Sri Lanka (SPUR) found them to be QS. This means they should be used with explicit attribution e.g "The anti-LTTE SATP says that X was assassinated by the LTTE".

I also remind you of WP:NPOV, one of the three core content policies, and WP:TERRORIST which you seem to have great difficulty accepting.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 09:56, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation. Since WikiProject Sri Lanka Reconciliation has classified SPUR and SATP as Qualified sources (which needs to be attributed), I will replace those citations with non questionable ones. Anyhow, as an experienced Wikipedian, you should have never removed those entries which are also supported with other non questionable citations. It is an act which creates doubts about your adherence to WP:NPOV, one of the three core content policies you have reminded me about in your comment.

BTW, I don't have any difficulty in accepting "Tamil Tigers as terrorist organization", because it is already a banned organization for their criminal terrorist activities, in many independent countries. Some of LTTE's pioneering terrorist activities such as use of suicide belts and use of women as suicide bombers, which were used in Sri Lanka during the civil war, have now spread in to the other regions of the world and used by other terrorist organizations based in Middle east, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc. to kill innocent civilians and military personnel. This is an good example for their brutality, no one other than terrorists can do this to their own people. --LahiruG ^talk 10:47, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@LahiruG: - Thank you for accepting that the SATP/SPUR are questionable - I will wait for their replacement by reliable sources. I don't recall removing entries supported by reliable sources, I only removed entries supported solely by SATP/SPUR.

As for the terrorist thing, it doesn't matter if others, even governments, call LTTE terrorists, the Wikipedia community has decided that we don't call anyone terrorist as this would be a violation of NPOV. The same would be true if someone tried to call them freedom fighters.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 19:20, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

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