Talk:List of people from Park Ridge, Illinois

Featured list nomination efforts

I'd like to make this list fit Wikipedia:Featured list criteria so that we can nominate it. There is not much left to do. I will do it all if need be, but here are some things that need to be done: Dkriegls (talk) 00:06, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• There are a few more citations that are needed: make sure the citations mentions their connection to Park Ridge. Every name needs a citation Done
• The Category:People from Park Ridge, Illinois and this list should match up. Done
• Some of the prose needs expanding. Done
• All names also need a few words about their connection to the town (e.g., ; born in Park Ridge) Done
• There also should be some pics of the most notable people added. Done

I think the lede needs to be expanded. I'm terrible at that, though. tedder (talk) 01:00, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

What are you thinking? I like leads that get to the point, but am open to suggestion. I can right it up nice after we discuss it Dkriegls (talk) 07:04, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't know- all I know is the lede is too short. Perhaps summary style of the most notable people? tedder (talk) 15:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Hm, I think I follow. Give me a few days, I'll see what I can come up with. Dkriegls (talk) 17:42, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

I took a stab at it. Let me know what you think.Dkriegls (talk) 10:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

More items to fix: Copied from Features List nom

• You don't even link Park Ridge until the end of the lead which is odd.Done
• That lead image is curious too, far too big for the resolution it could support and no caption, nothing... what is it?Done
• We don't use IMDB as it's not a reliable source.Done
• You could use some intro in the lead as to what/where Park Ridge is.Done
• What makes someone "equally recognizable"?Done
• Some people in the lead are linked, some aren't. Why?
  • Question - None of the people in the lead are blue linked. Am I missing something?Dkriegls (talk) 06:14, 17 May 2012 (UTC) Done
• A lot of these kinds of lists are tabulated rather than bullet pointed. Any reason this should be different? (
  • Comment - Of the 177 lists at the US Category page, only 12 are fully tabulated. The biggest city being Las Vegas. I think bullets look better for these lists and are easier for new editors to edit. These are gateway list to new editors and ease of access should be encoraged, even if some are vandals. Dkriegls (talk) 06:14, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
• I don't recall a need to capitalise Art in Fine arts.Done
• I guess this should be tagged with {{incomplete list}}, right?Done
• "seven MLB teams; born in park ridge[51]" explain what MLB is before using it, and stick to consistent capitalisation of Park Ridge.Done
• Make sure ref titles comply with WP:DASH in the titles.Done...I think
• Ref 10 has "blog entry (please read WP:RS). " eh? Author was expert in architecture, no need for warning
• "OTHER FAMOUS RESIDENTS" avoid SHOUTING.Done
• New York Times is actually The New York Times.Done

Citations needing clean-up

The following citations were cited for Wikipedia:Reliable sources and need a better ref.

• http://www.swamppolitics.com/ (ref 14 – looks like a blog to me).

Comment, The Swamp is a Chicago Tribune blog, and the piece is written by two expert journalists who are knowledge experts on the topic (where famous people live). Nara Schoenberg (lifestyles reporter) and Patrick T. Reardon (urban affairs reporter). See WP:NEWSBLOG Dkriegls (talk) 22:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• http://chicagogaysports.com/ (ref 15)

Comment, this is a website of and interview conducted by Windy City Times. A perfectly legitimate news source. There's a second reference from the Chicago Reader, so I am not sure what is in question here. Dkriegls (talk) 22:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• http://www.thehorrorzine.com/ (ref 18) Proposed article for deletion, no better source could be found Dkriegls (talk) 22:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
• http://www.makeitbetter.net/ (ref 20) Dana Olsen was edited out due to a lack of a better reference Dkriegls (talk) 23:15, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
• http://www.askactor.com/ (ref 26) Danny Corkill was edited out due to a lack of a better reference Dkriegls (talk) 23:40, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
• http://www.moviesmademe.com/ (ref 32) Chuck Russel was edited out due to a lack of a better reference Dkriegls (talk) 23:40, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
• http://www.figure-skating.com/ (ref 61) Found U.S. Figure Skating news cite for replacement Dkriegls (talk) 22:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Whitespace layout issues

User:Sbmeirow's last edit suggested there were white-space layout issues with the pictures. I opened the article on both a standard screen and wide screen, in both Firefox and Explorer, and found no formatting issues. Just opening up discussion on this. Dkriegls (talk) 20:45, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Same here. Looks fine to me, even at 400px wide and 2000px wide. tedder (talk) 21:06, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

On my IE 9, I see a bunch of whitespace under the "Acting" section and the same height of the "Harrison Ford" photo. I pressed Ctrl-F5 (full refresh including CSS) and use CCleaner (http://www.ccleaner.com) to clear all caches. My Monitor = 1280 x 1024 pixels.

For IE 9, the problem exists for anonymous user and logged-in.

For Chrome 20, the problem doesn't exist for anonymous user and logged-in.

My Brower Versions:

• Internet Explorer 9.0.8112.16421 64-bit Edition, Update Versions: 9.0.6 (KB2675157), 100% zoom setting.
• Google Chrome 20.0.1132.11

• Sbmeirow • Talk • 09:02, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

User Thumbnail Size can also cause problems, but it appears your photos have a set pixel size.

My preferences -> Appearance -> Thumbnail Size = 220px.

In the past, the default Thumbnail Size setting for new users was 180px, but later it changed to 220px. I'm not sure the default for new accounts now, nor the setting for anonymous users (not logged in users).

See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21117

• Sbmeirow • Talk • 09:02, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

You probably shouldn't be using a fixed pixel size, but instead use the default pixel size, still its not my article, so you need to make the call, seeWikipedia:Picture_tutorial#Thumbnail_sizes I typically don't specify a pixel size on photos, unless the default is too too small or I want to make it much larger. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 09:20, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

I recommend that you don't include a pixel size in the "imagesize" field of "Infobox settlement" in city articles, unless you are trying to shrink a weird size photo. The template will automatically autosize the photo for you. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 09:20, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Done, pixel sizes removed. FYI: this is most definitely your article now because you contributed!!! --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 08:56, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Affluent?

I am opening a little discussion here about the inclusion of "affluent" in describing Park Ridge. Most people might agree that an average income of $90,000 defines affluence. I'll set up a straw man by saying that a town of 1001 residents where one resident makes $1,000,000 annually and 1000 residents make about $8909 annually would give an average income of about $90,000. I think that affluence is too difficult to define for purposes of an encyclopedia. Even if it is agreed upon by most, I think it is not something that really defines the town. Also, while I could be wrong, that $90,000 estimate is a 2007 estimate ... the town has (like many) taken a hit in recent years. I'm just arguing that there aren't really any strong reasons to include it. I may be in the minority, and I'll accept that, but I wanted to make sure my thoughts on this were noted. 76.29.27.158 (talk) 05:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Like you I've never been comfortable with that label and used to delete it wherever I saw it. But I've edited enough towns and cities to know that fighting its use is futile. So I stick to quantifiable definitions like those highlighted at Affluence in the United States. I know that if you are from Park Ridge, it may not seem overly affluent in comparison to somewhere like Wilmette, but if you've traveled around this great country like I have, you realize that Park Ridge is a very nice neck of the woods. You can argue that the use of the word is Wikipedia:Original research, but there are plenty of citations out there that refer to Park Ridge as affluent (see this Google search). Anyways, cheers and happy editing Dkriegls (talk) 06:09, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Names needing better citations

The following names were removed from the list because they need better quality citations that meet Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources: --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 20:18, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

• Dana Olsen, screenwriter (George of the Jungle, The 'Burbs, Inspector Gadget); grew up in Park Ridge
• Danny Corkill, child actor (Without a Trace and D.A.R.Y.L.); born in Park Ridge
• Chuck Russell, director, producer and actor (The Blob, The Mask, The Scorpion King); born in Park Ridge

Marshall Seese

Marshall Seese redirects to an article about a news team that he happens to be on. This goes against WP:NLIST and WP:WTAF and the policies/guidelines those evolve from. I would recommend removing the individual, as he isn't actually notable. tedder (talk) 19:42, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

WP:WTAF is an essay about red links, and WP:NLIST says nothing about biography-page-only notability criterion. Several categories of notable people do not merit their own biography page (See Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People notable for only one event). Members of lesser known notable bands, many winners of notable beauty pageants, and hosts of notable TV shows; to name a few. Neither WP:Manual of Style/Lists#Listed items nor WP:USCITY#Notable people exclude notable people mentioned on non-biography Wikipedia pages. I see no reason not to include Seese. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 21:16, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

So what it comes to is this- what's the notability criterion for this article? It varies by article; a common threshold is "they have an article". In this case, you are suggesting the article follows a lower threshold- is it anyone at WP:BIO and anyone mentioned elsewhere on Wikipedia? This becomes a sticky subject- which is why WTAF exists (as an essay). tedder (talk) 21:28, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

"they have an article" does not automatically mean a biography article. Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People notable for only one event specifically states that a Bio page may not necessarily need be written about a notable person. That person is still notable. I found more than a few articles with a Google search on Marshal Seese. But he is only notable for being a host of a notable show. Other examples of this are people who win Miss US state pageants like Miss Michigan USA. They rarely deserve their own Bio page in my opinion, but I let them get mentioned in notable people sections if they are listed as a winner on the Wikipedia article about the pageant. Or people involved in tragic notable crimes. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 15:34, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Peer Reveiw

I'm moving the Peer Reveiw bullet points here for tracking.--Dkriegls (talk to me!) 06:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

• Lead is too short and without image makes for a bland start. Done...I think!
• "The city is home to several notable people" where I come from, that means it's where people actually live, not where they were born/brought up. Done!
• You link Clinton in the lead but not Ford, why? Done!
• The lead claims "most notable" or "widely recognisable" but that seems to just be opinion. Sure, to people in the US, but the sources just back up the bare facts, not the "recognisability" or particular "notability" of the people in question. Done!
• The "see also" could be better woven into the lead and pipe linked so we don't see the ugly "Category:". Done!
• Ref column shouldn't be sortable. Done!
• Because no images in "Academics and engineering" section, table widths all different from the rest of the article. Fixed!
• In fact, all tables seem to have odd sizing from section to section. Done!
• " 8–year " hyphen not en-dash, there are other issues here (see WP:DASH). Done!
• Image captions are, frankly, dull. Removed!
• Names should sort by surname, using the {{sortname}} template. Done!
• Don't see why Known for should be sortable, it's free text. Done!
• "[37] [38]" no spaces between refs. Done!
• Check ref titles for dashes/hyphens per WP:DASH. Done!
• E.g. ref 43, where, what is the Daily Herald? Done!
• Be consistent with date formats, i.e. all publication dates should be same format, all access dates should be the same etc. Done!
• Avoid SHOUTING in the refs. Done!
• No need for "anonymous" in my opinion when you don't know who the author of a source was. Done!

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:53, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for taking an interest. Yes, a textual "summary" is desirable. Some think there should be no lists at all! Note that this is an eerie mirror of Rambling Man's comment on who should be in the lead! I'm fine with this one, but the problem is defining "most" notable. My grandson's band who tapes in his garage and somehow has an article is pretty notable IMO!  :) Done!
• I'm not sure about "born and grew up in." On one hand = human interest, on the other hand, seems parochial.

Comment:Well, I go with what the citation says. If I can just say born, then I do. I only use "Grew up in" if that is the only citation I got. I don't want to speculate on what that means. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 19:10, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

• I like the tabular form justifying and classifying the entries.
• I think the pictures are way too large. We might want to limit size in a "standard." (thumb?) Done!
• Also we need to place a limit on the number of pictures. Not every entry needs a pic.

Comment: I think I fixed this by moving the pics into the Table so they are compressed and small, and so everyone can get a pic.--Dkriegls (talk to me!) 19:21, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

• Not sure about Grant Wood artwork, though clearly a classic. (And do we really want a picture of Grant Wood?) Does this encourage someone trying to include music, pictures of other art, etc. some of which won't seem as classic? Done!
• Also I would truncate "known for" to "profession." This downgrades the list to trivia, which I want to do! I would say "Professional tennis player," and let it go at that. I don't care if they got a "Grand Slam" or "Hat Trick" or were Olympic champs before they went professional. I would just list one and only one profession.

Comment Some people are known for more than just their profession. I want to make this page to set a standard for lists of "People from" pages and I don't think we need to make this two columns. The more general "Known for" linguistically fits the very concept of "Notability" and thus works by imo.--Dkriegls (talk to me!) 18:22, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Student7 (talk) 00:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Image for Susan Lindquist

Hi, there are two images of Lindquist on her article page but I'm not sure how to get one of them into the correct size for the table. Can anyone advise/help? TIA. MurielMary (talk) 04:36, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Done! --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 08:29, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! MurielMary (talk) 12:04, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

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