Talk:List of people who were executed/Archive 1
Latest comment: 1 year ago by The Banner in topic POV removals from the list
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POV removals from the list
A user has removed several notable persons from this list for petty reasons. Apparently it is "POV" to note that people who were executed were.... executed. This is clear POV-pushing and unencyclopaedic behaviour. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 16:25, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
- Less of the sarcasm, please. My objection was that you had Irish rebels under "War crimes and crimes against humanity". None of the people I removed were charged with war crimes or crimes against humanity, nor are they described in authoritative sources as such. Your statement here that "levying war against the government is a war crime" is unsupported by any reliable source, and plain wrong. The Banner has added a separate section for rebellions and insurrections, and I welcome that. As regards Michael Barrett, why did the entry have to say that he was the last criminal publicly executed in the UK. Were there people who were not convicted of anything publicly executed since then? Your insistence on stressing that these people were criminals was my "petty reason" in that case. Scolaire (talk) 22:14, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
- Michael Barrett was tried, convicted and sentenced. In the eyes of the law he was a criminal, by definition a person who was legally prosecuted and tried by a jury of their peers under the rule of law is a criminal. He is of little notability beyond his status as the last convict executed in public in the UK. Why do you have such difficulty with the word "criminal"? A criminal is a person who was legally convicted of violations of the law of the land, that is the definition, it does not inherently imply a man in a mask and a striped jumper clutching a bag of swag. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 01:22, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- You are rather selective in labelling people as a criminal. Why do you not call Michael Heseltine a criminal, as he too was tried and convicted? The Banner talk 10:15, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- False equivalence. Reckless driving does not carry a sentence of death. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 15:15, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- No, your definition was: A criminal is a person who was legally convicted of violations of the law of the land, that is the definition, it does not inherently imply a man in a mask and a striped jumper clutching a bag of swag. This definition was posted by you at 01:22, 2 November 2022 (UTC). Heseltine fits that bill, so according to your definition he should be branded a criminal. The Banner talk 15:22, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- If there was a category for "people convicted of traffic violations" he should be in it. Why are you being so insanely aggressive? TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 15:34, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- I am just critical about the fact that you do not apply your own definition to every person convicted in court. The Banner talk 16:31, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- If there was a category for "people convicted of traffic violations" he should be in it. Why are you being so insanely aggressive? TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 15:34, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- No, your definition was: A criminal is a person who was legally convicted of violations of the law of the land, that is the definition, it does not inherently imply a man in a mask and a striped jumper clutching a bag of swag. This definition was posted by you at 01:22, 2 November 2022 (UTC). Heseltine fits that bill, so according to your definition he should be branded a criminal. The Banner talk 15:22, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- False equivalence. Reckless driving does not carry a sentence of death. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 15:15, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- You are rather selective in labelling people as a criminal. Why do you not call Michael Heseltine a criminal, as he too was tried and convicted? The Banner talk 10:15, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- Michael Barrett was tried, convicted and sentenced. In the eyes of the law he was a criminal, by definition a person who was legally prosecuted and tried by a jury of their peers under the rule of law is a criminal. He is of little notability beyond his status as the last convict executed in public in the UK. Why do you have such difficulty with the word "criminal"? A criminal is a person who was legally convicted of violations of the law of the land, that is the definition, it does not inherently imply a man in a mask and a striped jumper clutching a bag of swag. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 01:22, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- Seeing this edit by a rather new editor (partial reverted) this story will get a new lease of life. It is an edit quite similar to one of TheCurrencyGuy! The Banner talk 00:27, 12 January 2023 (UTC)