Talk:List of people with surname Brown

Merge with Brown (surname)

Can anyone come up with a reason why we shouldn't merge this list into Brown (surname)? It would seem to be a perfect fit (Given that the potential target article is only a few short paragraphs, and unlikely to get much longer, I don't see length after merger as an issue). Blueboar (talk) 19:39, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I prefer the practice of keeping very common surnames separate from pages on the etymology, history, and variations of the name, for the sake of having more constancy across the second group. BD2412 T 03:38, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 18 April 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: There's no consensus to move. Although the proposed version is shorter, some editors don't think that "surnamed" sounds natural. Some editors have suggested merging with the given name lists into "List of people named X" and/or holding a unified RfC with the given name ones to determine consensus for a consistent naming scheme. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 03:31, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

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• List of people with surname Brown → List of people surnamed Brown
• List of people with surname Basnet → List of people surnamed Basnet
• List of people with surname Carey → List of people surnamed Carey
• List of people with surname Carpenter → List of people surnamed Carpenter
• List of people with surname Carrey → List of people surnamed Carrey
• List of people with surname Cohen → List of people surnamed Cohen
• List of people with surname Cusack → List of people surnamed Cusack
• List of people with surname Daniel → List of people surnamed Daniel
• List of people with surname Davis → List of people surnamed Davis
• List of people with surname Dick → List of people surnamed Dick
• List of people with surname Evans → List of people surnamed Evans
• List of people with surname Harris → List of people surnamed Harris
• List of people with surname Hearn → List of people surnamed Hearn
• List of people with surname Jenkins → List of people surnamed Jenkins
• List of people with surname Johnson → List of people surnamed Johnson
• List of people with surname Jones → List of people surnamed Jones
• List of people with surname Kroner → List of people surnamed Kroner
• List of people with surname Lee → List of people surnamed Lee
• List of people with surname Li → List of people surnamed Li
• List of people with surname Lynch → List of people surnamed Lynch
• List of people with surnames Macaulay, MacAulay or McAulay → List of people surnamed Macaulay, MacAulay or McAulay
• List of people with surnames MacCauley or McCauley → List of people surnamed MacCauley or McCauley
• List of people named MacNamara → List of people surnamed MacNamara
• List of people with surname Miller → List of people surnamed Miller
• List of people with surname Moore → List of people surnamed Moore
• List of people with surname Nguyễn → List of people surnamed Nguyễn
• List of people named O'Brien → List of people surnamed O'Brien
• List of people named O'Donnell → List of people surnamed O'Donnell
• List of people named O'Grady → List of people surnamed O'Grady
• List of people named O'Meara → List of people surnamed O'Meara
• List of people with surname O'Neill → List of people surnamed O'Neill
• List of people with surname Patel → List of people surnamed Patel
• List of people with surname Peña → List of people surnamed Peña
• List of people with surname Preston → List of people surnamed Preston
• List of people with surname Roberts → List of people surnamed Roberts
• List of people with surname Roosevelt → List of people surnamed Roosevelt
• List of people with surname Singh → List of people surnamed Singh
• List of people with surname Smith → List of people surnamed Smith
• List of people with surname Spencer → List of people surnamed Spencer
• List of people with surname Taylor → List of people surnamed Taylor
• List of people with surname Thapa → List of people surnamed Thapa
• List of people with surname Tully → List of people surnamed Tully
• List of people with surname Warburton → List of people surnamed Warburton
• List of people with surname Williams → List of people surnamed Williams
• List of people with surname Wilson → List of people surnamed Wilson
• List of people with surname Wood → List of people surnamed Wood
• List of people with surname Yakhno → List of people surnamed Yakhno
• List of people with surname Yu → List of people surnamed Yu

– Per the discussion at Talk:List of people with given name Alan#Requested move 16 April 2021, "people with surname Foo" is a grammatically incorrect and unnecessarily long construction. Five of the titles in this group use "people named", which is inconsistent with the much broader practice of noting that these are surnames, with "people named Foo" more commonly being used to denote given names. I propose that we establish and stick to one consistent practice with respect to all of these names. BD2412 T 03:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. The proposed five-word main title headers are more intuitively structured than the current six-word headers. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:48, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
• Neutral comment - "List of people with surname McSurnameface" and "List of people surnamed McSurnameface" both make equal sense, although the proposed move is slightly more WP:CONCISE. "List of people with the surname McSurnameface" would probably be the most naturalistic construction but it's less concise than either and doesn't make any more or less sense. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:16, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
• Move to List of people named -X- - Simple, concise and the lists can then have both given and surnames sections, and can cover any edge cases. -- Netoholic @ 21:28, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
  • My contention is that "people named" is more intuitive for given names. I would also consider it unhelpful to merge the current content of, e.g., List of people with given name Wilson with the rather enormous article at List of people with surname Wilson. I suspect there are other sets where merging would yield an unwieldy long list. I expect that when readers are specifically looking for someone with the first name "Wilson" they will not want to go through all those surnames to find it, and likewise for readers specifically looking for someone surnamed Wilson. BD2412 T 03:38, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
• Move to "List of people with surname ..." per WP:APOLIST naming convention.—Bagumba (talk) 08:41, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
• Comment Is "surnamed" a better (or the best) choice of words? Maybe List of people with the surname of Brown would be a better title? More thinking out loud here than anything. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:32, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
• Support for this surname proposal. Kirby777 (talk) 02:40, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
• Move to "List of people with surname" per Bagumba. "Surnamed" sounds odd. Some1 (talk) 21:17, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
• Comment The related RfD for given name lists recently closed with no consensus to change from the naming convention of "List of people with given name ..." I'm hoping we dont end up with a divergent scheme for surnames e.g. "surnamed" instead of "with surname" or an extra "the" e.g. "with the surname" vs "with surname". Ideally, given names and surnames would be jointly discussed at WikiProject Anthroponymy or at an alternative central location.—Bagumba (talk) 09:27, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
  • @Bagumba: The closure of the other RfD continues a longstanding inconsistency, with over a dozen lists currently titled "List of people with given name Foo", about a dozen more titled "List of people named Foo", and another dozen or more titled "Foo (given name)". Similar inconsistencies already exist for lists of surnames. BD2412 T 02:41, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
    • Given the no consensus there, I just think we should have a single comprehensive discussion for both given name and surname lists and avoid the risk of disjoint solutions that could come from RMs that discuss them in isolation.—Bagumba (talk) 04:28, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
      • That does seem like it will be the only way out of this mess. BD2412 T 04:42, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose and suggest an alernative ... "List of people sharing surname XXYYZZ". This is the form I've used in the body of several surname and name articles. It is more appropriate than "with", and "surnamed" is an odd construct as "surname" is very very rarely used as a verb. "Share" supports the concept of relatedness that having the same surname potentially indicates. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:15, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

  I'd prefer to just call this "no consensus" and proceed to collectively discuss with all the "List of people with given name ..." pages for consistency.—Bagumba (talk) 11:19, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

• I agree with Some1 that "surnamed" is an odd turn of phrase better avoided. I find the current "List of people with surname X" format natural and easily understood. Colin M (talk) 02:11, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Zac Brown

Add Zachry Alexander Brown of Zac Brown Band 50.38.91.120 (talk) 03:49, 26 January 2022 (UTC)