Talk:List of places in Germany

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I don't think that these lists are good ideas. For instance the List of places in Lower Saxony: In the Lower Saxony article itself there is a list of all district-free cities, which are all the larger cities of that state. And if one is interested in smaller towns or villages, they can follow a link to a district, where a new list of towns belonging to that district appears. Or, if they don't know the district, they can have a look at the very comprehensive List of cities in Germany. I don't think that we should maintain many lists in parallel, all with (almost) the same content. I would vote to delete those pages, but perhaps you had a good reason for feeling a need to have these pages? -- Baldhur 11:52, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Not useless, I'd say. These lists could and should be linked from the articles for the respective Bundesländer - they have a place in between the details given at the districts and the general overview at the list of cities in germany. I would not cry many tears if the lists went away, but if we care to keep them updated and properly linked, they might be a useful tool. Also they are lists of places, not cities, so islands, mountains etc. might be included - not sure though if that's a good idea.Kosebamse 15:13, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

A reader finding a list of places in Lower Saxony might think that it is a complete listing of all towns with articles in Wikipedia. I don't like new lists with only two or three entries if there are alternative lists (as the list of cities in Germany) listing about fifty towns in Lower Saxony. But I agree that the lists could make sense if mountains, lakes etc. are included. In the current form they are completely useless, offering redundant information only. I would rather encourage every user to expand the List of cities in Germany than starting new lists with the same information. -- Baldhur 15:24, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hi everybody. Thanks for your opinions. I was looking for List of places in Germany, not knowing that List of cities in Germany exists. Sorry. Other than that, I think this discussion should go to Wikipedia:Votes for deletion instead. Mainly I did this only to give people an incentive to start creating more or less complete lists. Maybe the lists you mentioned that already exist in articles like Lower Saxony should be moved. Maybe List of cities in Germany should be split into lists for each Bundesland. I don't know. -- Timwi 15:10, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

No problem, Tim. I hope, things like this won't happen anymore when we have the search function back. I don't think that we should split the list of cities in Germany. Some readers might not know to which state a city belongs. What about:

Option 1: Making List of places in Germany a redirect to List of cities in Germany, listing the sublists on VfD

Option 2: Keeping the lists you made and turning them into lists of towns, mountains, lakes, rivers, nature parks etc.

-- Baldhur 15:24, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't mind either way :) Regard the pages I created as suggestions, not as claims to their right of existence. Discuss their fate on their Talk pages. -- Timwi 15:33, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Waiting for comments... -- Baldhur 17:22, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I'd suggest to make the "list of places" into a "list of places except cities". Probably there are about the same number of cities and other note-worthy places. The cities IMHO deserve a separate list, especially as it would be a good thing to create that list in an automated way - editing it manually would be much work and error-prone. The current city list is still quite incomplete, just the big cities are complete. andy 19:17, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Okay. I still think that these lists are completely unnecessary but I will now turn the lists into lists of geographical features and delete the cities. Every list will get a visible link to the list of cities in Germany in order to direct editors to the right place. -- Baldhur 17:33, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Done. I included some islands, mountains, rivers in the lists and hope that I did not forget some important features. As for the city listing, I am looking forward to finish the districts and start a project aiming at a comprehensive article for every German town. The districts get boring, but I will stick to them until they are finished. Afterwards the city listing will become as complete as it could be, with many fine articles. Would you join a WikiProject for cities and towns? Should there be such a project? -- Baldhur 23:17, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)