Talk:List of preserved Hunslet Austerity 0-6-0ST locomotives

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What about ex NCB No 49 (late of backworth Colliery, Northumberland. That si preserved in full workign order on the Tanfield Railway, Co Durham. It looks very smart in lined out Apple green with National Coal Bpard in full in gold letters. I believe there is also another one in black lined livery, currently sportign the name TANFIELD.

Rename?

I suggest List of preserved Hunslet Austerity 0-6-0T locomotives, per WP:MOS and using Sentence case rather than Title Case. Hunslet and Austerity as reasonable as proper nouns. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:55, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Agreed - apologies for missing that when I created the page! Hrm3319 (talk) 11:10, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Move completed on 8 June - to List of preserved Hunslet Austerity 0-6-0ST locomotives, which also includes the missing "S" from the Whyte notation of the wheel arrangement - another typo by me when creating the page! Hrm3319 (talk) 08:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Sort order

What's the best sort order for this list? I'm inclined to grouping by preservation group / current location as a first level, as the most useful order for readers. Sorting within that could be by name (simplest) as the maker's numbers aren't always obvious. As so many were ex-NCB, BR numbering wouldn't appear too useful.

Either way, it would be useful to address this before the list is too big. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree that it would be good to sort them now, and BR numbering is not helpful. However I'm not sure about location as the best choice of primary grouping - several locations are unclear, and some are on loan, and it would be easier not to have to re-sort them when they move somewhere else.

I would suggest sorting by Year Built first of all, and then maybe Works Number second, albeit that not all are clear at first, most are available with a little digging. Hrm3319 (talk) 11:10, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

My main reason for location is that it groups them by location (which is how most visitors will encounter them), not so much for sorting. Of course there are then locos like Cumbria and Repulse which were a team for 25 years, but have recently been split up, so even that isn't simple. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:28, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I see what you are saying, but if visitors encounter the actual locomotives by location then wouldn't they search wikipedia by location and go to the location homepage? To group this list by location would therefore seem to duplicate the location pages. I would suggest that as this list links primarily off the class page then sorting the list by build date and works number is more encyclopaedic.Hrm3319 (talk) 15:46, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

As you seem to have sourced the builders' numbers (I thought that would be a struggle!), I'm happy with that. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Most of the works numbers were on the web pages of the owning groups, which I have then used as references. Those which were missing I have cross-referenced on the database of preserved locomotives which is at UKHRail - this database is easily searchable, but not always very up-to-date and has some missing data. I have now added a link to it at the bottom of the page. Hrm3319 (talk) 08:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Rounding up the stragglers

• Wheldale

Another GPCS and stoker-fitted NCB loco. Might have been at Tyseley in 2006

Andy Dingley (talk) 11:51, 9 June 2010 (UTC) done

• Peak Rail seem to have a few:
  • RSH 0-6-0ST No. 7136 (Carries No. 68013 "Royal Pioneer". Previously No.WD150) File:Peak Rail's J94 Saddle Tank Engine - geograph.org.uk - 965952.jpg in 2006
  • Hunslet 0-6-0ST No.3888 rebuilt from 3163 (Carries bogus BR No. 68006)
  • Also this: File:Opening.jpg, which looks like an NCB Kylpor chimney. Is this 3888?

• Iron Duke replica. IMHO worth inclusion.

Andy Dingley (talk) 19:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

• The Nene Valley Railway appears to have 2, but their web page is not helpful in providing details.
  • HE2855
  • Barclay 2183

Hrm3319 (talk) 08:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

• Great Central Railway:
  • No 9
  • HE3809

• Location unknown, destined for Mid Norfolk Railway
  • HE3193

• Foxfield Railway:
  • HE3694 "Whiston" [1]
  • HE3893 "Wimblebury" [2]
  • done Hrm3319 (talk) 10:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

• Keighley and Worth Valley Railway:
  • HC1782 "Brussels" [3]
  • Now numbered 118 File:118 WD 0-6-0 ST Oxenhope Museum 1.jpg

• Locomotion, the National Railway Museum at Shildon
  • HE3183 "King Faisal of Iraq" [4]

Hrm3319 (talk) 15:34, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

• Chasewater Railway:
  • One Austerity is shown in the photo at the top of the page - is this "Rhos" (listed as a Hunslet on Wiki page)? works number? - not listed on the official webpage, so no external reference. Visiting engine? Stored offsite? Hard to find evidence of this one! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hrm3319 (talk • contribs) 10:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Also see http://www.martynbane.co.uk/modernsteam/ldp/austerity/locophotos.htm

• No 7 Robert

  

  1980

  

  2009

Appeared at Rocket 150 in 1980

Now undergoing restoration at the Great Central Railway

The list places 'Pamela' (1953) at the Lincolnshire Wold Railway. Since the summer of 2010, it has been far closer to its original home of Maesteg - at the Garw Valley Railway - north of Bridgend, S. Wales. It used to belong to the Vale of Glamorgan Railway, from where it was loaned to the LWR, but its ownership has been transferred to the Garw Valley Railway following the demise of the Vale of Glamorgan Railway in 2008. See http://www.garw-railway.co.uk Dolwgan (talk) 15:41, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Photographs

Andy - I like your inclusion of a few photographs. I was going to suggest putting them in a separate column, but on reflection it may be unnecessary. Any thoughts? Hrm3319 (talk) 08:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't column them. As they are, with |right| in the wikitext, they'll CSS float right in the HTML and take up the same space as if they were in a separate column, but without losing this column space for other rows. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:42, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

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