Talk:List of presidents of the Judicial Yuan

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On 12 July 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Chief Justice of Taiwan. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Requested move 12 July 2024

Latest comment: 3 months ago6 comments6 people in discussion

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 10:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

– WP:PRIMARYTOPIC/WP:COMMONNAME; in line with several countries articles. For User:Butterdiplomat, the name is chosen as seen in articles from BBC and South China Morning Post. Do you oppose or support? Silence of Lambs (talk) 13:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 05:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Oppose Chief Justice of Taiwan. The BBC article cited above says "Hsu Tzong-li chief justice of Taiwan's Constitutional Court", but other articles go the other way ("Judicial Yuan President Lai In-jaw" [1], "Taiwan Judicial Yuan president" [2]). According to an official website [3], he is both "Chief Justice & President of Judicial Yuan". The constitution according to [4] says "The Judicial Yuan shall have a President and a Vice President" and so does the constitutional amendment [5] ("15 grand justices, including a president and a vice president of the Judicial Yuan"), and neither says "chief justice". And "Chief Justice of Taiwan" is not found in ngrams [6], nor in Google Scholar search, although it's not completely unheard of. Overall I don't believe the assertion of WP:COMMONNAME. Also, I would give consistency with other countries (or non-country-level jurisdictions) very little weight, as it's expected for naming practices to vary from place to place, both as to the title and what the title is "of"; for example, President of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom.
As for the legislative position, I'm not sure. My impression is that it is extremely commonly described as "speaker" in news sources. On the other hand ngrams favours president [7]. Formally, for what it's worth, the title is president ([8], "The Legislative Yuan shall have a President and a Vice President"). Adumbrativus (talk) 04:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose both per Adumbrativus. I advise the nominator to present stronger evidence of common names, as Adumbrativus has done, in move requests like this, where it’s not immediately clear why we should deviate from the current titles and official names. Toadspike [Talk] 14:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Close After a nominator has been indefinitely blocked and no one has supported a move, I don't think it is considerate to keep on relisting things. Thincat (talk) 13:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose both also WP:COMMONNAME is not the only factoring for what the title of a Wikipedia article should be considered as and I do not see what is wrong with the current title or what a new title would be trying to achieve. Jorahm (talk) 17:02, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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