Talk:List of regional Burning Man events

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X Day and Phoenix Festival

These do not appear to be actual Burning Man events. X Day is celebrated by many non-Burners. Kit 20:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I removed X-Day from the list -- Subgenius != Burner. However, Phoenix Fest does appear to be a real Burn event -- it's just that the Wikipedia article is about a different, non-Burner event in the UK. I disambiguated the link a little. Kit 21:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Twigsville is not a public event.

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Note from user:

The term "Burn" is a registered trademark of the Burning Man Corporation, and/or it's affiliates. The use of this term to describe events not sponsored and specifically meeting their requirements is a violation of their rights. For information on what constitutes an "official" Burn please refer to www.burningman.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.74.244.232 (talk) 23:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

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The term "Burn" is not actually one of Burning Man's trademarks. Black Rock City LLC owns the trademarks "Burning Man", "Black Rock City", and "Decompression". However, it is concerning that there are events on this page that are being listed as "Burning Man" events despite a complete lack of affiliation with the organization or even any way to verify any kind of connection to the greater Burning Man community. There are explicitly stated principles of Burning Man that are represented at its official events that cannot be said necessarily to exist at these unaffiliated events, so this page may be misleading. It would be more accurate to call the official regional events "Burning Man events" and to list another page of events that are perhaps "Burning Man inspired" or at least separate out the events that are not officially affiliated to a second list on the page and/or clearly designate unofficial events as such, because only an authorized event with a relationship with an official Burning Man Regional Contact may call itself a Burning Man event. - Andie Grace, Burning Man Communications Manager 98.210.196.118 (talk) 23:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm considering making the split into official events/inspired events, but it's looking difficult. The Official Regional Event list would be the obvious source for this info, but I see several events missing from the 2011 list (e.g. Kiwiburn, Apogaea, Mychievia, Preheat, fall Playa del Fuego) that appeared in previous years. Did they lose their official status, or did the organizers just neglect to submit the event to the list? Many of the regional groups organizing events hold multiple events in a year, but it appears that usually only one is "official", and there is rarely any distinction made on the groups website (Burnt Oranges at least does explicitly note that Preheat is official and Afterburn is not). What constitutes a "relationship" with an an official RC? Must the RC have an active leadership role in planning the event? Plantdrew (talk) 20:42, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

What makes a burn?

I just took a couple events off here that didn't appear to be burns, and thought I'd pontificate a little about what does belong on this list. I don't think an event needs to be an officially BMORG recognized burn to be listed, but random electronic music festivals and new-age spirituality retreats, even if largely attended by burners and compared to Burning Man in the press surely don't qualify.

Instant disqualification:

• Events with vendors
• Events with paid speakers/musicians (having an entertainment schedule on the events home page or very prominently linked probably indicates paid entertainment)

Instant qualification:

• Event mentions the 10 principles
• Event is an officially recognized regional

Potentially qualifying factors:

• An effigy is burned
• Event website seeks volunteers
• Event mentions a modified version of the 10 principles (more than just LNT)
• Entertainment is organized by participants, not from the top down

I'm not sure how urban single-day pre/decompression events fit into this framework, but I believe the BMORG controls the use of those terms, so presumably anything calling itself a decompression will be officially recognized.Plantdrew (talk) 20:31, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Figment and Infusion-removed events

I had added Figment ([1]) events, but they were removed. I can see Figment events perhaps not qualifying as burns, but they are 10 principle based events and their appears to be some relationship with BMORG (they've been mentioned on the blog), although it's at a distance. I suspect the distance between BM and Figment is keep Figment even more radically inclusive than BM (i.e., toning down the nudity side of radical self expression so that people who don't want to associate with crazy burners can bring their kids). Figment certainly isn't an OFFICIAL regional, but neither are many other events on this list. Is there a good reason why Figment doesn't belong?

Somebody added Infusion ([2]), and somebody else subsequently removed it. It is a 10-principles based event and perhaps should belong? My gut feeling says there's something off about it though. Cooked meals are provided which seems to be a major violation of radical self-reliance, but I can't find anything else concrete on the website to rule out it's being a burn. I did come across ([3]), where a musician says:

"Raivu and I will NOT be playing the Infusion Festival in August. Due to Burning Man including Infusion Festivals as part of their organization, they cannot pay us to play the first event and since this is our job, we simply cannot afford to play the first event for free. HOWEVER, we will be playing the event in September."

Does this mean she IS being paid for her September appearance? It's a little confusing since Burning Man has NOT included Infusion Festivals as part of their organization.

I'm leaving Infusion and Figment off for now, but am inclined to re-add both if nobody argues against it (I remain suspicious of Infusion however).Plantdrew (talk) 21:45, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

And now a link to LunarBurn (festival) has been added to the Burning Man article. While this festival claims to be inspired by the 10 principles, there will be food vendors "for those who aren't fully prepared" (Radical Self Reliance?), and profit sharing for key participants (which to my mind creates a class of Spectators and flies against Participation and Gifting). I don't really want to see LunarBurn added here, but the definition of a regional is getting kind of murky. Digital Renaissance Faire is another 10 principle inspired event with profit sharing, which supposedly has a limited degree of BMORG approval (see comments in this blog post: [4])Plantdrew (talk) 20:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)