Talk:List of rolling stock items in the UK National Collection

Gauge column

A small suggestion. Since the vast majority of engines will be standard gauge, it might make the table neater if this is stated at the top of the page, and any which are of a different gauge are simply indicated in the 'notes' column ?

EdJogg (talk) 12:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

How about "Gauge if not Standard Gauge"? Railwayfan2005 (talk) 21:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, you could, agreed, but (a) that would be a very long heading and (b) the column would still only have three entries. It still seems rather a waste of a column.

Looking at it again, there may come a day when all the locos will have their own articles. In the meantime, a column indicating the loco class would allow a link where the loco did not have its own article (eg Sir Lamiel), while also highlighting which locos do have articles. One-off locos are likely to have articles already, so the class field can remain blank.

(This article is ripe for linking, were you planning on doing this yourself?)

Incidentally, if you're worried about the editing effort involved in removing the text, for big table changes I usually copy the text into Notepad, which has a 'replace' facility. Saves a lot of time!

EdJogg (talk) 17:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

There are more entries which are different gauges to come (not many though, I'll admit)... I was going to link all the individual articles in (I've managed City of Truro so far!) when I got to the end (and then use subsections on the class pages the for those items without individual pages yet). The individual railways need expanding and linking as well. Railwayfan2005 (talk) 19:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

What is it?

In the lead what the "National Collection" actually is needs to be explained. I assume it is a list of important heritage locomotives, but the article says nothing. Wongm (talk) 12:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Image column ?

Would it be possible to add an Image column similar in stile to that seen in List of British Rail modern traction locomotive classes? I personally think this would be a great aid to the casual user and could take the place of the Gauge column with that columns entries going to the notes column. Wikimedia has already got images of many of these locomotives and it shouldn't be too difficult obtaining the rest as most of these vehicles are on public display. I would be prepared to do much of the work involved but would hope that agreement could be reached before puting the work in Oxyman24 (talk) 05:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

There seems to be an argument over images. I think they are quite useful. What is the objection to images? Biscuittin (talk) 23:39, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

EMUs & DMUs to add

Has anybody got a list of the EMU & DMU cars that need to be added to this list. I suppose we also need to add the carriages and wagons as well if it's truly going to be a rolling stock list. Railwayfan2005 (talk) 09:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

No Turbine Electric category?

Seems there's no category in which the APT-E would fit...? 87.243.208.102 (talk) 13:46, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Create one then! 88.109.26.61 (talk) 12:08, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Is it in the National Collection? Railwayfan2005 (talk) 18:47, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes Object Number 1976-7002/1 curently at Shildon http://www.nrm.org.uk/OurCollection/LocomotivesAndRollingStock/CollectionItem.aspx?objid=1976-7002/1&pageNo=2 86.25.36.242 (talk) 19:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Toronto Railway Heritage Loco?

Why does loco 563's current location say Toronto? Both the picture and the website say it's located at Shildon? Does anyone know exactly where it's located? Talyllyn1 (talk) 20:08, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

These locomotives do move around from time to time. If you find one that's different to the location listed on the NRM website, change the location in the table and update the access date of the reference. Geof Sheppard (talk) 13:13, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

NSR 'New L' 0-6-2T & LSWR 'T3' 4-4-0

There seems to be an ongoing edit war over these. Does anybody have a reference for their removal from the national collection? I propose we add a section for former items to accommodate these. If it gets too large then we can start a new page just for former items Railwayfan2005 (talk) 21:00, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Get a copy of Steam Railway magazine and read the interview with the NRM curator. Or the people reversing the edits to crawl out from under their rock. Fixed your spelling by the way. But the NRM has given the LSWR T3 to the Swanage, it arrived there a short time ago and has been officially unveiled. The North Staffs has been gone for a good long while now. It's the middle of the night and I can't be bothered to go raking around for my copies of Steam Railway, but if anyone else has SR, or the internet. Or even bothers to read the Wikipedia pages for the T3 and the North Staffs tank, they may find out that neither is a part of the museum any longer. I may revisit this in daylight if I can find my SR magazines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.210.143 (talk) 03:28, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

It is your responsibility, not ours, to get these magazines and add the references: see WP:BURDEN. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:40, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Sorry if I sounded a bit cranky, 24 hours awake. Got SR in front of me, Edition No.468. I transcribe below sections from the introduction to the NRM disposal article in this edition of Steam Railway.

"IN OR OUT? To keep, loan or dispose? NICK BRODRICK questions the National Railway Museum's Head Curator ANDREW McLEAN on this area of museum practice, following the gifting of two pre-Grouping locomotives."

"When the news broke in late March, the public [also] reacted to the disposal of the National Collection Adams 'T3' No. 563."

"The gifting led Steam Railway to request an interview with the museum to find out whether a clear-out of steam locomotives was now under way, less than a year after it had already given North Staffordshire 'L' class No. 2 to the Foxfield Railway."

These are visible in the introduction to the interview on P.40 of SR.468 for anyone who either reads these or gets the E-version.

This is from March 30th, before the T3 was relocated to Corfe Castle Station on the Swanage: Steam Railway - Steam News: NRM Gifts T3 to Swanage

Edit - article available on Pressreader.

--86.26.210.143 (talk) 19:37, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

So cite your sources when adding the material. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:05, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Not an experienced practitioner of Wikipedia Fu, technically I'm trying to remove something, not adding material, deleting the LSWR T3 and the North Staffs tank from the list. Putting references on an empty field in the 'spreadsheet' of locos would seem a bit silly to me. Any assistance is welcome.

--86.26.210.143 (talk) 21:15, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

I've made notes against these two locomotives to show that they are no longer part of the collection, although they are still in the lists as I think they are relevant to the page - it doesn't claim to be the collection today. I can't find anything on the internet to confirm the NSR tank's move so if you can turn up a decent citation from somewhere that would be great. Geof Sheppard (talk) 12:53, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

I can only offer you A: A Forum Press Release or Pressreader's Steam Railway Article.

--86.26.210.143 (talk) 16:34, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

I've used the Steam Railway article as that is more explicit about the ownership being transferred, but both articles seem to be hedging their bets as to the whether this ahs really happened or whether it is on long term loan as so many other National Collection items are. Geof Sheppard (talk) 12:55, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

MOSI Rolling Stock

Given that the Museum of Science and Industry (Manchester) is now part of the Science Museum Group, does this mean that the locomotives that are on display here apart from Novelty are counted as part of the National Collection. The SMG's website includes them in their list of collections. TheRowdyruffBoys (talk) 00:49, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Comments on this article

Firstly, it's important to realise the national collection is not only a collection of vehicles, e.g. they have lots of photographs, written records, etc, etc, etc.

Secondly, this is a list of locomotives. There are also a large number of other vehicles, coaching stock, goods wagons, etc.

Finally, can whoever it is who likes to list number and name in the same column please remember to put these into different columns?

This needs work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony May (talk • contribs) 03:50, 1 March 2019 (UTC)