Talk:List of scheduled monuments in Cheshire (1066–1539)

Proposed move

I've suggested on WT:CHES that the article be moved from Scheduled Monuments in Cheshire (1066-1539) to Scheduled Monuments in Cheshire (1066–1539). This would ensure the title is inline with MOS:DASH which states that ndashes should be used in ranges instead of hyphens. Nev1 (talk) 01:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Of course. Sorry, I should have done that in the first place but overlooked it. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Done and dusted. Nev1 (talk) 11:58, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Proposed move

Scheduled monuments shouldn't be capitalised per the main article and the legislation. Jack (talk) 20:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Recent overhaul of the lead

I think it's worth discussing this edit by Snori. I think it's important to explain what a scheduled monument is, and why the date range is being used (that it's not some arbitrary division by us, but is the medieval period). Also, the edit does not make it clear that there are scheduled monuments in Cheshire from other periods, and as such I would like to revert the change. Nev1 (talk) 21:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Personally I think my approach of wiki-linking scheduled monument is the correct way for Wikipedia. Firstly it keeps this article clean and focussed, and secondly it ensures the the explanation is of the best quality – each of the explanations on the various "Scheduled Monuments in Cheshire..." pages differ - some discussing Cold War stuff etc. (Mind you, it looks as if the scheduled monument page is in dire need of work). I've retained the link to the definition of the medieval period, so I think anyone quibbling with that definition can see where it comes from, and the existing “See also" section links to the other periods.

It is clear that all "Scheduled Monuments in Cheshire..." pages have been setup in a similar fashion. I think my approach is better and therefore should be used on them all but I won't be pursuing this myself. Snori (talk) 22:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I do not see the point of removing material from the lead, some of which is in my opinion essential. The definition of a scheduled monument must be there, and its legal basis. This is one of a series of three lists, which has been split merely for the purpose of making their size manageable. Removal of the relevant text makes this unclear and also makes the context of this particular list ambiguous. I agree to a complete reversion. The material would not be there unless the editors considered it to be of value to the list and to the series of three lists. A model for a list of this type and subject matter is Scheduled Monuments in Greater Manchester, which is a FL with a lead broadly similar to the original lead to this list; an example to follow, I think. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 22:21, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I have to disagree with you Snori. A wikilink as explanation is useful in avoiding undue weight on explanation of a technical term (I have seen this done on many cricket-related articles). However this is not the case here, as scheduled monuments is what the article is explicitly about. The medieval period is not fixed, some people take it to include the Dark Ages (the wikipedia article for instance gives dates of 400–1517), so it is necessary to explain why the period 1066–1539 is used for the article. A reader should not have to wait until the see also section at the end of the article to find out there are more scheduled monuments in Cheshire, it makes far more sense to mention it in the lead. I also don't think that the lead was unfocused. Nev1 (talk) 22:38, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

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