Talk:List of shipwrecks in 2022

Why is there a section named "lorum ipsum"

There is a section named January X that has "Lorum Ipsum". Is there any reason for this? MrMeAndMrMe_{Contributions} 21:44, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

It's placeholder text which is supposed to be commented out. I have fixed it.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Possible third tug involved in "Goliath/TasPort Tugs" incident?

I think there might be, based on the tugboat Wilga in earlier page revisions being referred to as "Campbell Cove" (sourced from articles like this one: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-29/atsb-callout-videos-goliath-ship-crash-tug-boats-devonport/100789978), and this article: https://www.themercury.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TMWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.themercury.com.au%2Fnews%2Fnorth-west-coast%2Fa-third-tug-which-escaped-the-goliath-crash-back-in-service-soon%2Fnews-story%2F2aff99445052bb907504bc2cefafdc26&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium However, said article is paywalled, anyone know what it says? I think @George 1861: might be able to help. Thebrakeman2 (talk) 14:35, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I figured it out: the third tugboat, Wilga was almost rammed by Goliath, but was not. It was recently removed from the spill zone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebrakeman2 (talk • contribs) 16:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Civil ensigns

Thebrakeman2 - would you please restore the |civil to the flags of Australia and Nigeria? Per Flag of Australia and Flag of Nigeria. Many countries have a different civil ensign to their national flag. Mjroots (talk) 06:07, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

You can go do that, while I use the actual darn flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebrakeman2 (talk • contribs) 10:53, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

OK. I'll restore the correct flags to the list then. Mjroots (talk) 14:20, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

It was sarcastic, but I guess you did it anyway.Thebrakeman2 (talk) 14:24, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Linking to other articles

@Thebrakeman2: - can you point me to other shipwreck lists where relevant articles are linked using the {{Main}} template, rather than being linked at the start of a blurb? Mjroots (talk) 14:13, 18 February 2022 (UTC) @Mjroots:

Which one had Scott Carrier? Thebrakeman2 (talk) 14:41, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Thebrakeman2: - It was this one. Mjroots (talk) 17:51, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

New Shipwreck

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Kochi/oil-tanker-runs-aground-near-kavaratti-port/article65071118.ece 108.45.170.249 (talk) 19:15, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Added to page, this is closed Thebrakeman2 (talk) 14:17, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Large numbers

MOS:NUMERAL states this - "Integers from zero to nine are spelled out in words. Integers greater than nine expressible in one or two words may be expressed either in numerals or in words (16 or sixteen, 84 or eighty-four, 200 or two hundred). When written as words, numbers from 21 to 99 are hyphenated (including when part of a larger number): fifty-six or fifty-six thousand but five hundred or five thousand." There is no way that 292 can be spelled out in "one or two words". I've therefore reverted the latest change to words and semi protected the article for a month. Mjroots (talk) 19:52, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

New Shipwrecks

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2022/02/20/news/guyana/three-fishermen-missing-after-trawler-capsizes/ (https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/02/20/2-men-rescued-after-boat-capsizes-waters-off-kauai/) Will add these later Thebrakeman2 (talk) 13:02, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2022/02/21/news/guyana/three-missing-after-noble-house-trawler-capsizes/ & https://caribbean.loopnews.com/content/guyana-search-continues-capsized-trawler-3-feared-dead Thebrakeman2 (talk) 15:15, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Added to page, this is closed. Thebrakeman2 (talk) 15:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Barge Sank

https://bangordailynews.com/2022/02/21/news/hancock/underwater-lamoine-barge-n6hjn1me0n/ Thebrakeman2 (talk) 12:47, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Added to page, this is closed. Thebrakeman2 (talk) 14:17, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Could someone fix this?

Llammakey, I know that you know how the measurement converter template works; could you possibly fix the Feb. 18 entry for "unidentified boat", where "quarter-mile" is used. I don't know how that would work in the template. Thebrakeman2 (talk) 15:14, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done. With some futzing around, I found out {{convert}} is pretty versatile:

• {{convert|0.25|mi}} gives: 0.25 miles (0.40 km)
• {{convert|1/4|mi}} gives: 1⁄4 mile (0.40 km)
• {{convert|1/4|mi|m}} gives: 1⁄4 mile (400 m)

The last is where I left it. _signed, Willondon (talk) 15:27, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Sinking ship to be added

https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/sar-rescue-after-norwegian-cargo-ship-reports-being-harassed Thebrakeman2 (talk) 19:05, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind, not needed. Thebrakeman2 (talk) 11:19, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Links to look through

These are all shipwrecks undocumented on the page: 28. https://fox4beaumont.com/news/coast-guard-suspends-search-for-two-people-near-port-mansfield 29. https://www.krgv.com/news/hsi-releases-new-information-on-port-mansfield-boating-incident/ 30. https://kfdm.com/news/local/coast-guard-searching-for-five-people-missing-in-gulf-after-boast-capsized 31. https://www.krgv.com/news/u-s-department-of-homeland-security-texas-rangers-leading-investigation-into-capsized-boat-in-port-mansfield/ 32. https://www.krgv.com/news/search-efforts-continue-for-5-people-missing-off-the-coast-of-port-mansfield/ 33. https://www.krgv.com/videos/agencies-call-off-search-for-two-people-on-capsized-boat-in-port-mansfield/ 34. https://www.yourbasin.com/news/coast-guard-suspends-search-for-two-missing-in-boat-accident/ 35. https://www.wfla.com/news/local-news/4-rescued-from-capsized-boat-in-tampa-bay/ 36. https://www.fox13news.com/news/uscg-4-rescued-from-capsized-boat-in-tampa-bay 37. https://wsvn.com/news/local/florida/4-rescued-after-boat-capsizes-in-tampa-bay/ 38. https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/multiple-agencies-searching-for-missing-man-after-boat-capsizes-in-ballard-county/article_a8094a20-9b50-11ec-8af6-8ff73ff6dcd6.html 39. https://www.scotsman.com/news/one-dead-and-seven-rescued-after-scottish-trawler-capsizes-off-norway-3599157 40. https://www.chattanoogan.com/2022/3/6/444769/1-Man-Drowns-2-Other-Suffer-From.aspx Thebrakeman2 (talk) 13:20, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Another ship attacked by Russia?

The Panamanian-flagged cargo ship Helt may be another victim of Russian agression. Obviously that is not a useable source. AIS currently showing her in the Black Sea. Mjroots (talk) 17:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

This source says it's a Russian Warship: https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1498995521192660996 Thebrakeman2 (talk) 21:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

GBNews reporting a Bangladeshi tanker hit by a missile. One crew member killed. Mjroots (talk) 11:36, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Now confirmed Helt was sunk, and a Bangladeshi ship attacked. Mjroots (talk) 13:32, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

New reports coming in that Ukrainian Flagship was scuttled 27 February

How do we handle this? I think Mjroots and Davidships might know. Thebrakeman2 (talk) 18:09, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

If the date can be confirmed, we move the entry to the correct date. Mjroots (talk) 18:30, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Mjroots Its already used on the Battle of Mykolaiv, with several sources. Thebrakeman2 (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

The earliest reporting appears to be 3 March, but I'm not seeing the date 27 February confirmed anywhere. Mjroots (talk) 19:32, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

MjrootsThen where did the date come from? Thebrakeman2 (talk) 19:43, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

this source states the scuttling was pre-planned, and "This was done in the first hours of the Russian invasion of Ukraine", which would put it at 24 February. Mjroots (talk) 19:49, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

I have been trying toslip between the Edit Conflicts to add this: (Exactly. So far I have only seen claim that the sinking was in Pravda (ru) around 27/2. I suggest await two RS and consider them carefully - there is a lot of misquoting going on in the media.)

However, the Ukrainian Shipping Magazine looks like a RS, with a named editorial team, and it reads as if properly informed. But I don't think that you can assume a date of 24/2 - firstly "This was done in the first hours" may be figurative - but more importantly it is ambiguous as it may be referring to "a decision was made". Or it may be the the first hours of the Battle of Mykolaiv, the 26th. Clarity of this will no doubt emerge.Davidships (talk) 20:17, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Google Maps shows it afloat on the 25th. Thebrakeman2 (talk) 20:49, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

There is said to be something in this in The Times, but behind a paywall for me. 23:44, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

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New ship sank

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Admiral Makarov

Unconfirmed reports that the Russian frigate Admiral Makarov has been hit and sunk by Neptune missiles off Snake Island. Let's await confirmation before adding. Mjroots (talk) 11:55, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Scope, scale, and organization

Hello all, I was hoping to spur some discussion on something that's been bugging me somewhat for the past few weeks. I'm not an expert on the naval side of wikipedia, but I've been working more and more on recently wrecked ships which have been in the news. I very regularly reference this list as inspiration for what article to write next, and think that the vast arrays of lists of shipwrecks over the years is extremely impressive and important.

However, it seems like the overall organization is somewhat, haphazard, I suppose. From what I have seen, there is no criteria for inclusion, and the scope is not well-defined. I think the majority of my confusion on the organization of this topic comes from two points:

• First, what ships merit inclusion? Does any shipwreck count, no matter how small? Some ships as small as 40ft are listed, so where is the line? In other words, if the dinghy I use in the lake behind my house sprung a leak and a news outlet picked it up, would we include that?
• Second, why do we list things that are not shipwrecks? It seems that there are three topics that the wiki organizes things into: maritime disasters, shipwrecks, and maritime "incidents". Only disasters and shipwrecks have lists, but "incidents" are included in the navboxes on these pages. Looking at the maritime disasters pages, they just seem to be a more selective list of shipwrecks. My question is, what defines a disaster vs shipwreck vs incident? It looks like many of the ships on the 2022 shipwrecks article are not actually shipwrecks (some of which I've written articles on, like Namura Queen or Helt or several others) but rather just maritime incidents... or perhaps disasters, depending on the criteria.

From my perspective, we need to do a bit of reorganization and lay out written criteria for inclusion on these list articles. If that criteria is the same as what is unwritten right now, so be it, but realistically there should be some rules that are explicit rather than inferred. Secondly, I think we need to lean into the three categories of disasters, shipwrecks, and incidents. I'm just spitballing, but disasters could be high-casualty or high-damage events of particular notability (on the caliber of the Titanic or Lusitania), shipwrecks should be instances where the ship actually touches the bottom of the sea (regardless of whether it's raised again or not), and incidents covering anything else (like a fire, or missile strike, or seizure, etcetera).

I think I've rambled plenty, and would really like to hear some input from those of you who actively maintain these lists. If it seems that there is a level of consensus for change, I would love to be a part of that! I really do think this merits discussion, as the last one I found was over ten years old and basically just said "anything goes". Best wishes, Fritzmann (message me) 17:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@George 1861, Llammakey, Davidships, Mjroots, and Vinhson27: pinging most recent editors of the shipwrecks list who may be interested. Fritzmann (message me) 17:39, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Fritzmann2002: - It's a bit of a tricky question. To be a WP:SHIPS article, a vessel needs to be 100 tons (whether GT, GRT, displacement or whatever) or 100' length. Any vessel meeting this and is wrecked or severely damaged is includable. For smaller vessels, it's on a case-by-case basis. If there is an article, then the vessel should be included. If no article, then it may, or may not, merit an entry. Pleasure yachts, dinghies etc are almost always non-includable. Ocean racing yachts tend to be includable. Individual entries are always up for discussion either at the shipwreck lists talk page or at WP level. Mjroots (talk) 06:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Mjroots: that seems pretty reasonable, but doesn't appear to be reflected by the list itself. A large number of vessels on the list are completely unidentified, non-notable boats. If those are the guidelines, they should be included in a section at the start of the list article, so editors and readers know what merits inclusion. Just after a brief looks (this is not exhaustive), there are numerous entries that I personally believe have no business being on the list, of which these are a few:

• 22 January: an unidentified sailboat took on some water and got towed to port. Not a shipwreck, not a notable event, not a notable ship.
• 30 January: neither of these belong, but the worse is the unidentified "panga". This is literally the backyard dinghy I referred to. It's not a shipwreck (washed ashore), there were no people, and the back half of the blurb is unreferenced.
• 19 February: a kayak! Certainly this does not belong. I will hold firm in the statement that a kayak is not a ship.
• 20 February: a "plastic" boat? I understand someone died, but this does not seem to be about the shipwreck or the boat, and the sources give those only passing mention.

I didn't even mention the 10+ instances of unidentified migrant boats sinking. Those could probably merit inclusion in some list, but really just seem to clutter this one. Perhaps a "list of migrant boat wrecks" would be warranted. Anyways, these are just a few examples of the cruft that needs to be cut, and the guidelines that need to be put in place so that it does not continue to be added. Fritzmann (message me) 12:16, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Really this needs to be discussed at a more visible location. I favour only including ships over 100 tons (by any measure) or which have an article or are likely to have an article created Lyndaship (talk) 16:53, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lyndaship: agreed about the visibility. Should the discussion be moved to WT:SHIPS? Feel free to do so if you think that would be best. Fritzmann (message me) 01:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC)