Talk:List of sovereign states and dependent territories in the Americas

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was: Moved to alternative suggestion List of countries and territories in the Americas. The current title's use of Pan-American (meaning embracing the whole continent) is not precisely correct, while the alternative suggestion is also less ambiguous than the original title. (See also Talk:List of countries in the Americas by population#Requested move.) Station1 (talk) 06:35, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

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List of Pan-American countries and territories → List of American countries and territories — This is the original title of the page, a list of all the countries in the American continent. A user is changing every single article related to America to "Pan-America" pushing a POV. AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 19:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

How is "Pan-America" POV? What about the Pan American Games? As for this article (and the other one you are trying to move), I have no opinion. TJ Spyke 23:39, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

• Of course it's POV, have you not heard about Pan-Americanism? The games are based around the idea of unity in the Americas, which is a political movement. I would suggest a move to List of countries and territories in the Americas, as the Americas refer to both North America and South America, while American (singular) is often used as a denonym for the United States. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 18:13, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the proposal to revert it back to List of American countries and territories. The useage of the prefix "pan" here is incorrect anyway. "Pan" refers to cross-border unity. It implies that the subjects (in this case political entities) are spanning the breadth of the whole continent, like culture or a highway. The European Union is Pan-European because it crosses political borders. States and territories in America are all American, but they're not Pan-American---they're still divided politically. The word Pan-American implies a movement or product of unity. The title should be changed back to the original. Rennell435 (talk) 13:39, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose use the alternative suggestedby Yeshua instead, List of countries and territories in the Americas 76.66.197.30 (talk) 04:05, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

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Mergefrom List of Pan-American countries by population

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Merge List of Pan-American countries by population into List of Pan-American countries and territories

76.66.197.30 (talk) 04:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Rationale

I suggest that List of Pan-American countries by population be merged into List of Pan-American countries and territories because a single sortable table is all that is necessary. The "ranking" in the other page makes no sense, since the figures are different for different countries. However, if merged here, a sortable table can be made to sort by population, or name, or if it's sovereign or a dependency, or if it's in the Carribean, Central America, North America, South America. 76.66.197.30 (talk) 04:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Survey

voice your support, opposition, or neutrality and reasoning here

• Merge as nominator. 76.66.197.30 (talk) 04:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

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• Support, because we need only one table to display this sort of information, and having all the information in one place would be extremely useful. By just moving the column to List of sovereign states and dependent territories in the Americas and adding other useful information (GDP, Area, etc.) to that table it would be more useful. Stidmatt (talk) 00:14, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
• Isn't there a guideline for this sort of thing? The pages on the other continents all do it separately... Are you proposing to also merge the by Area page (and whatever else), or just the population? And would it be separate tables for states and dependencies, or all in one? I'd actually like to see this page evolve to look more like the Asian and South American pages and those of the other continents. Rennell435 (talk) 08:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

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Article title

There has been an extensive debate over at Talk:List of European countries and territories about what should and should not be included in the list because of the title. Most editors there support moving the page to either List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe or List of European sovereign states and territories. If the European list is moved it is likely this list will be moved as well in the next few days unless there is opposition to such a move here. It would help to avoid confusion and disputes if the all of these lists (countries and territories by continents) have the same title. Saying sovereign state rather than country is a more precise term and is in line with the fact List of countries redirects to the list of sovereign states article.

If you have thoughts on the title please raise them here or ideally join the debate at Talk:List of European countries and territories. Thanks BritishWatcher (talk) 11:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Hemispheres

The article states "America is mostly located in the western hemisphere, although some of the north-west islands enter the eastern hemisphere."

Which islands? The Eastern Hemisphere is the land right of the Greenwich Meridian, the 0 degrees line of longitude that passes through Greenwich, London. What part of the Americas is right of England? McLerristarr | Mclay1 04:40, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I added that. The islands I was referring to are part of Alaska, see Alaska#Geography, and are just generally considered to be part of the americas (although their geological position I am unsure of). So they are to the east (I try not to use right :p ) of Englad, albeit a long, long, long way east. Infact, the whole world is east of england, if you go east far enough ;) Chipmunkdavis (talk) 05:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

OK. I've mentioned Alaska in the article now. As for right, you're right. I was thinking of a world map. East and west – must remember those words. McLerristarr / Mclay1 06:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Not sure if we should go into the specifics of Alaska, but alright. And don't worry, I've never found a nice good quality South-up map that wasn't called the upside-down world map! Chipmunkdavis (talk) 08:38, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands

Aren't the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands part of Antarctica? 120.21.48.248 (talk) 03:01, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

According to the United Nations geoscheme for the Americas, they are part of South America. 2001:8003:9008:1301:AD8D:2348:2B9E:213C (talk) 12:47, 8 August 2020 (UTC)