Talk:List of tallest buildings in Europe/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

İzmir?

Okay then, I dont know if i did true or not but ı'm gonna try to explain myself here.

Is İzmir a European city or not?

this discussion has a long past. Nowadays borders are not as sharp as older days. Some of the editors are try to look maps with geography but you need to remind that geography is nothing without other science domains. Culturs, politics, urbanism etc are the newest effecteurs of mapping. As you can see Turkey is a transcontinental country and turkey regarded as southwest europe for UN.

https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avrupa#/media/Dosya:Location-Europe-UNsubregions,_Kosovo_as_part_of_Serbia.png

With his culture and history İzmir is completly an european city there are lots of discussion forums for this subject. Im adding one of them.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Izmir-a-European-countr y

İf you want after pandemic you can visit İzmir. I could show you the history and culture of this ancient city. But you need to come at least this year because im going to move france soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theckn03 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

there is only one way to define continents and that is by geographic boundaries. all that you offer is abstract things that have nothing to do with reality. in this way, America and Australia can be ranked as Europe due to cultural characteristics (I am sure that they have much more in common with Europe than Muslim Turkey) and stop vandalizing this page. Iminys (talk) 21:12, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Theckn03 Buenos Aires looks really "European" for being geographically located in Latin America. With your argument even Argentina can be considered European because of culture and urbanism. Europe's borders are formed by boundaries; and I am sure you probably know which ones. Istanbul is also in Turkey; but it is also added to the article, why? Because it lies partly within the European continent. İzmir is not added and will not be added since it is not within Europe. Simple. 🦅 Danloud ^(talk) 09:48, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

russian trolling

I have noticed a worrying activity in this article. Referenced editions are being constantly deleted by russian editors sometimes under false explanation. Is this page under any review from admins?FreedomFighter (talk) 02:19, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

completely agree, Russia should be removed from this list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.165.173.131 (talk) 17:57, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Not not Russia. But Britain should be removed from this list. k thanx. 45.118.63.7 (talk) 09:52, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Asia/Europe border and Yekaterinburg

Yekaterinburg is in Asia — it is east of the Ural river, which is the usual boundary. Since this is a list of tallest buildings in Europe, I have removed Iset Tower (again). (It is not tall enough to be included on List of tallest buildings in Asia.) ƕ (talk) 19:57, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Mayak, Khimki

height is wrong. no proof has been provided for its height. It should be removed altogether from the list since there are source which indicate that the height of this building is only 131.8 m. Also, quite a few Russian skyscrapers listed in the article are not even finished yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.164.79.6 (talk) 14:25, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

what's the point in your post? you took your time to write it but forgot to indicate the source that you allegedly seen somewhere. no one forbids you to provide a source and correct an error if such exists yourself. the same goes for the supposedly unfinished skyscrapers which you also forgot to indicate? we have to guess which one you mean? this is not a tv quiz here. as far as I know, some may not be completed in terms of facade and interior work, but they are all topped out to their highest point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iminys (talk • contribs) 08:36, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

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Cut-off

The main list too long to be maintained (214 items) and thus is outdated (app. 30 buildings are missing). I think it is a time to cut-off to 160 m (or even more) keep the list in a reasonable length. I will try to import existing data to Wikidata to avoid data loss during cut-off.--Jklamo (talk) 14:57, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

The full list can be found here at skyscrapercenter (237 buildings are listed with at least 150 m). The question is: how much work do we want to invest in maintaining the list? I don't oppose a cut-off if no one wants to maintain the full list with 150 m cut-off. --Kallichore (talk) 22:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

In order to shorten the article further, I propose to remove some paragraphs that are almost never edited and display very outdated information which rather mislead people than helps. such as: Cities with buildings >150 m (under construction only), Tallest European skyscrapers by pinnacle height, and possibly also canceled projects.(maybe this also not very relevant)Iminys (talk) 12:06, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I agree with removing "Cities with buildings >150 m (under construction only)" section as well as cancelled projects section. I can also live without other crystall ball sections approved and proposed (also heavily unsourced).

I disagree with removing height by pinnacle list, it is not so maintenance intensive (due to higher threshold), but is is a bit hidden deep in the depths of the article, away from the eyes of the editors.--Jklamo (talk) 13:23, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I support removing "approved" and "proposed" sections as well. moost of those projects are long forgotten or being cancelled , better to pay more attention to projects under construction and make this section more complete with real projects.Iminys (talk) 07:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Flags

@Jklamo: I don't see anything in archives and I don't recall any talks about it. Flags, like icons in menus, simplifying readability in a mess of text. It makes it far easier to navigate through the list. There are flags in List of tallest buildings of the World, List of tallest buildings in Asia, List of tallest buildings in Africa and List of tallest buildings in South America. They all look well. Only List of tallest buildings in North America had flags removed recently relying on MOS:FLAGS. But MOS:FLAGS clearly states flags are allowed in lists. They are unwelcome in infoboxes, but with large list of exceptions. Elk Salmon (talk) 12:12, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

I also think with flags the page looks nicer. And i dont see a single reason why would anyone be against them. Iminys (talk) 12:43, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Commerzbank Tower

At every tower, the antenna is counted. Except for the Commerzbank Tower. The tower has a height of 301 Metres with antenna. 2003:D6:B72E:BF81:A53E:73E5:4787:7986 (talk) 15:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Augsburg Town Hall

Why is Augsburg Town Hall, at 187 metres, included as the tallest buildings of its time? When completed there were already numerous other taller buildings, including cathedrals built centuries earlier. 81.145.33.230 (talk) 21:15, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

It depends on how much space is occupied in the building. In a church tower there are no usable floors.

But personally, I think only high-rises should count here anyway. 2A02:810A:1340:6EB4:9103:BF8:6297:75AA (talk) 09:53, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Russia in Europe?

Why the list is considering Russia is in Europe? Lliurepensactua (talk) 13:40, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

because you are stupid thats why. Iminys (talk) 05:30, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@Lliurepensactua: Its not rocket science. Russia is partially in Europe, actually the biggest part of Europe belongs to Russia. I hope you have learnt something new, as you definitely never attended third grade. Calesti (talk) 10:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Eiffel Tower

Where is it on the list? KCSCHello (talk) 18:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

It is not a building (highrise or skyscraper) in the proper sense. It is listed in tallest structures in Europe with many taller ones. 95.90.209.223 (talk) 18:03, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

ok thanks KCSCHello (talk) 18:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Wrong list

I am sorry for adding another topic but the list is simply incorrect. You can't count the antenna for some towers and exclude it for other towers. If the Varso tower is 310 metres hight, then the Commerzbank tower is 301 metres high. 2003:D6:B702:443:90A2:9DFB:F3D7:C25 (talk) 08:54, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

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Cities ranked by number of skyscrapers

Looking at several articles about skyscrapers in European cities, text is not consistent about how many there are in each city and thus the rank of cities by number of skyscrapers. The article about London skyscrapers List of tallest buildings and structures in London names other cities with the count of skyscrapers in each, in the lead but with no source. The article about Warsaw uses Skyscraper Center as a source to say that city is 6th in Europe, when the London list article places Warsaw as 5th. More confusing, the list of 200 cities with skyscrapers by Skyscraper Center does not include La Défense as Paris, putting that city quite low; by my reading of that long list, Warsaw is 4th, as Paris is counted oddly. The long list is here. The source for the Warsaw article is different; it is the Skyscraper Center article about Warsaw, link is in the article about Warsaw skyscrapers. I cannot find the list by Skyscraper Center with the 5 cities ranking above Warsaw in Europe in my searches so far. My questions are whether there can be consistency across these generally excellent articles about tall buildings in cities? Can there be an article with the rankings on each continent? - - Prairieplant (talk) 00:19, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

I found the list of European cities by number of skyscrapers by Skyscraper Center, showing Warsaw as #6. This list ranks Paris as Wikipedia articles do. Istanbul is their number 1 (40), then #2 Moscow (37), #3 Paris (17), #4 London (16), #5 Frankfurt (14), #6 Warsaw (6), Tie #7, Madrid(5), #7 Rotterdam (5), Tie #8 Ankara (4), #8 Baku (4) and these cities at #9 with 3 each: Benidorm, Spain, Milan, Vienna, Yekaterinaberg. Then 7 cities are listed with one or two skyscrapers. Is all of Turkey considered to be in Europe? At the top of the list it seems to indicate it was done in 2014; I am not positive of this date meaning last update, yet all comments were made in 2014. The article web link tells me skyscraper center is a blocked url so I cannot include it in this remark; that one was blacklisted. Perhaps the citation in the article about tall buildings in Warsaw needs to be dropped or replaced. - - Prairieplant (talk) 01:07, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

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Missing buildings

Georgia, Batumi. Orbi City Towers A, C and D - 245 meters. Missing at this list. 185.115.5.170 (talk) 10:41, 15 June 2023 (UTC)